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ifmaz -> RE: Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws (11/8/2015 7:43:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

David Cameron's proposed encryption ban would 'destroy the internet'. Here's some thoughts from Bruce Schneier, a highly respected American cryptographer and security expert who firmly believes Cameron is attempting to make Britain into a police state http://uk.businessinsider.com/bruce-schneier-david-cameron-proposed-encryption-ban-destroy-the-internet-2015-7

I don't want to be part of this country any more.


I'm not entirely sure how Cameron could possibly enforce this. Even if businesses agreed to weaken encryption by handing keys to the government, nothing stops one from using GMail to send an email encrypted outside of any Google service.




MariaB -> RE: Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws (11/9/2015 12:35:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

I'm not entirely sure how Cameron could possibly enforce this. Even if businesses agreed to weaken encryption by handing keys to the government, nothing stops one from using GMail to send an email encrypted outside of any Google service.



Exactly. What Cameron is proposing has already been proven an impossibility in police states like Iran, so what is he up to ?




PeonForHer -> RE: Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws (11/9/2015 5:33:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: ifmaz

I'm not entirely sure how Cameron could possibly enforce this. Even if businesses agreed to weaken encryption by handing keys to the government, nothing stops one from using GMail to send an email encrypted outside of any Google service.



Exactly. What Cameron is proposing has already been proven an impossibility in police states like Iran, so what is he up to ?



I think what he's up to is making a policy proposal that will make him look good to a certain sort of voter. He doesn't have to carry it through, he just has to look as though his 'heart is in the right place'. Much like John Major's 'Back to Basics' campaign - it doesn't have to have substance. (Ministers back then would always correct interviewers with "It's not policies it's a *theme*", whatever the hell a 'theme' is meant to be).

Cameron is just 'playing the kind of music that the punters want to hear'. Those punters are, of course, the sorts of quacking ducks who read the Mail, Express and Sun and who think 'bobbies on the beat' will save them from crime (they won't, because the world isn't like that any more; in particular, crims now *drive cars*), that stern messages from government will stop people using drugs (which they relentlessly continue not to do) ... and people who have little or no idea of how the internet works.

It's a lot of empty froth that won't go anywhere, but will keep the Tories' core support voting for them, while they get on with the much more important business of creating hard policy that enhances the bank balances of the people they *really* care about.




MariaB -> RE: Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws (11/9/2015 3:27:04 PM)

So just another propaganda campaign Peon? what a surprise!




PeonForHer -> RE: Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws (11/9/2015 5:28:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

So just another propaganda campaign Peon? what a surprise!


That's my guess, Maria. I reckon it'll fizzle out, quietly. I hope so too, of course.




ifmaz -> RE: Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws (11/10/2015 6:06:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
My turn.

These assholes will never ever do what they want. Let me tell you about encryption - do not try to say too much. I shall explain.

I call Jim. I say I am looking for metal. that means I want to buy a gun. He shows up with a breifcase full of them, take my pick and pay the money.

I call Rollo. I say "can you stop over ?". That means I want some weed. There is another guy like that with another substance which shall remain unnamed.

There are a few people I call and say "We got a problem" and they show up with guns.

The best encryption is no encryption these days. I call you and say "I want to buy those handguns they won't sell me because of the background check that you stole in that armed robbery last month at the gun show". Know what happens ? NOTHING. I pick up a Berretta and a couple of nice Rugers and NOTHING happens. Guaranteed.
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You could say that over unencrypted phone lines or email... or you could say, with a pre-shared key:

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I think my way is slightly less obvious than yours, even though they both say the same thing.




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