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joether -> RE: Intetesting Take From Obama (11/12/2015 1:09:35 PM)
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It's adorable that you got your 'talking points' from the conservative media....
Due, if your going to debate with me, you seriously got to bring you 'A' game to the table....
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ORIGINAL: MercTech
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It sounds to me like someone might have whispered the word "Legacy" into one of those huge ears.
He already has many accomplishments as a US President:
1 ) 1st black US President
2 ) Turned a recession and possible depression into a bull market
3 ) Reduced the deficit
4 ) Took down Osama bin Laden
5 ) Ended two wars
6 ) The Affordable Care Act
7 ) Restore credibility of the USA towards other nations
8 ) Accomplish all this with total and absolute opposition from the GOP/TP
I'm not even hitting the tip of the iceberge of good things this president has done for the nation. Long after Mr. Obama has passed away due to old age, people will talk about Obamacare. From all the photos and video, future Americans will see Mr. Obama is a fairly positive view.
His opposition all this time has been small minded individuals with very little concepts or ideas on how to make the nation better. They likewise, will not really be known or cared about in ten to fifteen years. The President has quite a good legacy. Might be why Mrs. Clinton is having an easy time with the election just as George H. W. Bush did under Ronald Reagan. Unlike G. H. W. Bush, Hillary will get two terms!
#1 This is relevant to performance in office how?
Let's go over the facts. How many US Presidents before President Obama was elected in the United States of America, were black? The man's experience when elected was one term as a Senator. He managed to do one thing that none of hte current 'crop' of GOP/TP can even attempt to do: Beat Hillary Clinton in a fair election. Once securing his party's nomination, had to convince many Americans to vote for him that were moderate. What helped him the most was the Republican Party. Their VP was none other than Sarah Palin. Mr. McCain behaved liked someone pandering to conservatives instead of being his own man. He got more votes from Americans than his Republican contender. That is a pretty good amount of obstacles to cross to become a US President.
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#2 by some very creative accounting. The average Joe is still in recession while the richest 10% are mopping up.
The richest 1% are 'mopping up' as you call it due to people like *YOU* voting in GOP/TP whom then try to structure government to give everything to the super rich and mega corporations. At current the unemployment rate is 5%, gas prices are in the low $2 range, housing sales are up, and its looking like a pretty decent year for retail. The Dow is well past double the height it was when President Obama took office. The economy is doing well in many places. Come on, even GUN SHOPS have had some AWESOME ROI's since this guy became President.
All this under total and absolute GOP/TP opposition! Or have you conveniently 'forgotten' (again) that your party tried to wreck the national economy in order to make the President see only one term in office? Which politically party was totally opposed to the ARRA? Do you even know what the ARRA is and what it came into law?
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#3 Which deficit? The last I looked; the import export ratio was still in deficit numbers. The only thing that helped with the foreign exchange deficit was the shift in exchange rate. The fall in oil prices due to the increased supply with fracking probably has more to do with the decrease than anything done inside the beltway.
When President Obama took office the national deficit (thanks to the GOP/TP) was at a record high. During his time in office the President has reduced that number (with help from Democrats) down to $~250 billion. Its not the best; but certainly better than the trillion dollar deficits.....
The amount of oil created through the process of fracking is negligible compared to imports and changes in the culture of America. US Auto Makers have to look 'down the road' when it comes to auto sales. If they make autos whom get shitty gas mileage, they lose customers. When President Obama took office, people were talking about $6/gallon prices at the pump. So Auto makers adjusted cars to be more fuel efficient. That cars just ten years ago got 25 miles to the gallon, now are doing 43 miles. That's 180 miles one can travel with the same amount of fuel.
In addition, the Internet has allowed less reliance on traveling to 'Brick and Mortar' stores to purchase things. Now, one can go to Amazon.com, plug in an order, pay for it, and wait a few days for it to be mailed to them. Less gas and wear/tear on their cars. Some people have switched for gasoline to other modes of fuel.
All these things, including oil industries domestically and foreign increased production. Less demand while much in supply, makes for low gas prices. Its simple macro economics, CD!
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#4 bin Laden was taken down by the military. Obama just happened to be in office when it happened. Ok, he was CIC so I'll buy that one a bit.
Where was Osama bin Laden....FOUND? In Iraq? Afghanistan? No, In Pakistan. Were we at 'war' with Pakistan. No of course not; they have nuclear weapons! In fact that nation was our ally (or neutral party). Therefore the call to allow the operation to process forward falls to the US President. President Obama had to make the final decision. An there was PLENTY of stuff that could have gone wrong. And what the GOP/TP, not to mention its mindless followers do if something went wrong? Attack the Presdient every which way they could think on. So where was all the praise by the GOP/TP to President Obama for taking the gutsy move? Totally silent....
He didn't 'just happen to be CIC', he was elected. Got more votes and electoral states than his rival.
Its amusing to watch conservatives tip-toe around this subject. They want to attack the President while giving praise to the troops. Well, without the President giving the order, those troops could not have done what they accomplished.
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#5 The last time I looked the wars were still going on. Our troops just have a smaller piece of it.
So we have M-1 Battle Tanks driving around Iraq and Afghanistan, still?
Our part in the wars is pretty much over. The nation has one thing those nations do not have right now: experienced individuals at all levels of the military logistics engine. This covers intelligence, combat ability, command structuring, and logistics of supplies and personnel. Yes, there are many liberals that would like us to be fully out of both locations. But that's not a realistic option given circumstances. For us to fully withdraw from the area would mean removing our support of Israel. How many people in the GOP want to do that again? Like....none?
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#6 A mandatory, forced, sinecure for health insurance companies still has little or nothing to do with being able to get health care. That is like a LT saying "I have a map so I control the territory". Or like comparing apples to durien fruit; one smells of fermented sweat socks.
The ACA neither forces you nor mandates you to have health insurance. There is a fine for not having one. But then, that is how many other laws operate on the books. And not just at the federal level either. For example, most states have posted speed limits. If you follow the law, your a good motorist; if you go over that limit, your fined. The law is set up to produce a good behavior. Since before we had the ACA, many ER's were full of people that needed routine care (which now takes place outside the ER). Today the ER is open for those that need actual emergency care.
That you did not read the ACA from start to finish is what bugs you about it. Conditioned to believe that all government actions are evil; you are unable to consider laws passed through Congress that are of real benefit to Americans. Since the release of health exchanges this time last year; 30 million Americans that did not have access, now can see a medical doctors without forking over $500/visit. In addition, each plan regardless of category, now offers many health checks as part of the plan (i.e. cancer screenings). Yes the ACA has its problems. But the problems I see for it, are different from yours. That's because I'm informed on the law and your ignorant of the law!
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#7 Interesting that the foreign press shows a decrease of credibility for the U.S. after unilaterally interfering with the IAEA's work to curb bomb grade nuclear proliferation.
Do foreign journalists have push the American agenda like FOX 'news' does with the GOP/TP? Or are they like NPR and report good information even when it makes their supporters look bad?
Journalism should be about reporting good information free of bias or agendas of a shadowy nature. That twenty years ago there were as many as a hundred media companies in America. Now its less then seven. The cost of entry into the field being what it is, makes newcomers highly unlikely. Capitalism at its best! Curious how it becomes 'Corporate Communism' after a while....
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#8 Yes, the GOP has major problems with very vocal loonies. Then, again, executive fiat is not how laws are made in this country.
Who would you rather have next to nuclear launch codes? Hillary Ciinton or any of the 'clown car' GOP/TP'ers running for office? More Americans will choose Hillary. Some will do it because they support her ideas and policies. Some will do it to support Democrats. And others will do it because she is the best candidate of the field running for the spot. If it becomes a Sanders/Hillary or Hillary/Sanders, tickets; the GOP has pretty much lost the election. Mrs. Clinton has moderates, Mr. Sanders has the liberals. That's well over 65% of the voting population. That's called 'winning in a landslide'.
In a twist of irony, Mr. Obama becomes the next Secretary of State!
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