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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/10/2015 1:29:15 AM   
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Why can't Canada use their own damn ports?

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/12/2015 1:56:43 PM   
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Here is my take on the pipeline.

Why should the government condemn the private property of American citizens and hand it over to a foreign corporation so they can get richer?
Americans will never burn a drop of that petroleum as it is slated for export.

Conservatives should have been the ones to kill it as they are SUPPOSED to be looking out for the Constitutional rights of American citizens.
It took a liberal to do what Conservatives SHOULD have done long ago.

That's right, Obama isn't saying "Fuck you Canada". He's saying "Fuck you Canadian corporation that wants us to seize the private property of American citizens to sate your foreign corporate greed".


Conservatives are the ones who are supposed to be looking out for the Constitutional rights of American citizens? And the liberals aren't?

If you are going to bitch that it took the right this long to act, then why aren't you equally mad that it also took the left this long?

I always thought both sides had pretty much the same responsibilities when it came to the job. silly me.


The left has been trying to kill this since day 1 and being castigated for it.
Who has been blamed for 6+ years for delaying Keystone?

Obama.

Conservatives should have looked at this on day 1 and nixed it while Dubya was still POTUS.

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/12/2015 2:00:10 PM   
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Route for Keystone XL extension of the existing Keystone Pipeline...

http://keystone-xl.com/keystone-xl-pipeline-overall-route-map/

Now, what is the objection to a privately funded project whose liability will lie with the owner/operating corporation?

The issue still strikes me as greedy politicians blocking a project because it doesn't include enough pork barrels.

A moot point at this point as TransCanada is funding a pipeline totally on Canadian soil as the U.S. waffled then blocked an extension to the existing pipeline system that would have given some advantages and profits to U.S. companies.

Actually, you're 180 degrees off.

there is no reason why the Keystone XL could not be placed alongside the existing pipeline.
The fact that they want a brand new ROW for a large part of the XL means that someone didn't get their nose deep enough in the feedbag when the original pipeline was run and NOW they want some pork.

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/12/2015 4:20:42 PM   
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Keystone.... The pipeline already runs from Canada to Oklahoma. The consortium of U.S. and Canadian oil companies wanted to extend the pipeline from Oklahoma to Houston Texas so Canadian Crude could have access to an all year port to ship their oil internationally. Since it crosses state boundaries (interstate commerce) it requires permission from the federal government. Kind of like a federal building permit. Nothing in the plans calls for public money. But, the current administration has decided not to allow construction because it does not create enough American jobs nor provides any benefit to the strategic oil reserves. Soooo, the administration replies with a hearty f**k you, Canada over the issue after taking seven years to dither. Yes, he is more PC about it but that was the take away from the press conference. Isn't the GOP supposed to be the selfish ones? Heaven forbid; it would be the U.S. oil companies making money off the transportation fees after the pipeline was built with the oil company's money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/obama-set-to-reject-keystone-xl-project-citing-climate-concerns/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/07/us/obama-expected-to-reject-construction-of-keystone-xl-oil-pipeline.html?_r=0


The businessman I most revere is....Warren.

Warren owns rail.

Warren is the most important financial expert advising the Prez.

Do the math.

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/13/2015 6:02:11 AM   
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Keystone.... The pipeline already runs from Canada to Oklahoma. The consortium of U.S. and Canadian oil companies wanted to extend the pipeline from Oklahoma to Houston Texas so Canadian Crude could have access to an all year port to ship their oil internationally. Since it crosses state boundaries (interstate commerce) it requires permission from the federal government. Kind of like a federal building permit. Nothing in the plans calls for public money. But, the current administration has decided not to allow construction because it does not create enough American jobs nor provides any benefit to the strategic oil reserves. Soooo, the administration replies with a hearty f**k you, Canada over the issue after taking seven years to dither. Yes, he is more PC about it but that was the take away from the press conference. Isn't the GOP supposed to be the selfish ones? Heaven forbid; it would be the U.S. oil companies making money off the transportation fees after the pipeline was built with the oil company's money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/obama-set-to-reject-keystone-xl-project-citing-climate-concerns/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/07/us/obama-expected-to-reject-construction-of-keystone-xl-oil-pipeline.html?_r=0

That's a little simplistic. With the price of oil low, it's not worth developing the tar sands.

When the price was (or will be) high, there will be interest again.

So right now, turning it down isn't an economically difficult decision.

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/13/2015 12:18:40 PM   
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First off the OP's title is a little ridiculous, considering the majority of people on the left in Canada are also against the Keystone XL. A more apt title would be "Fuck you Harper" considering he was so obsessed with keystone XL that it negatively impacted our country's relationship with the US president.

Secondly, I couldn't be happier with the decision. With a new prime minister leaning much more towards taking action against climate change (despite the fact that he did support Keystone XL), and with a President south of the border who is in many ways the same, makes me feel that years going forward will likely bring about significant changes to the way our societies are so dependant on fossil fuels.

Could the Keystone XL be renewed if a republican got elected next year? Of course (although considering how literally insane all of the Cons are running for pres i find it unlikely), and as a result we will have to deal with that should it come to pass. But for now, those who wish to see us move beyond fossil fuels can let out a hearty sigh and focus on other important issues.

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/14/2015 7:25:52 AM   
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Why can't Canada use their own damn ports?


East coast ports are limited by ice in the winter. So crude and bitumen is stockpiled during winter.

Keystone XL extension to the existing Keystone pipeline would allow year round shipping via southern U.S. ports. So the U.S. would collect some usage fees and increased crude shipping capability paid in part by TransCanada. Since the federal government petulantly delayed then refused permission that would have cost the taxpayers nothing at the federal level; TransCanada is building an expanded pipeline system to Vancouver, BC. Vancouver BC benefits from the Humbolt current making it a year round port. Temperate Rain Forest there just like in Washington and Oregon.

U.S.. companies could have had a piece of the pie with Keysone XL that would decrease some chump change in the balance of trade but now get nothing due to political obstruction pm an issue that would cost the government nothing but giving permission.

Look at it like this...
Your neighbor offers you part of their candy bar if they can cut across your yard to get to the playground.
You insist on more of the candy bar.
Your neighbor goes the long way around and you get nothing.
You lose out on a bit of benefit by being greedy.

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/14/2015 11:47:20 AM   
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Look at it like this...
Your neighbor offers you part of their candy bar if they can cut across your yard to get to the playground.

No my neighbor offered to give me the wrapper off of the candy bar if he could fuck my daughter.

You insist on more of the candy bar.

No...I told him he could stick his candybar up his ass.

Your neighbor goes the long way around and you get nothing.
You lose out on a bit of benefit by being greedy.

My daughter may be a whore but not a cheap one

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/14/2015 4:20:33 PM   
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U.S.. companies could have had a piece of the pie with Keysone XL that would decrease some chump change in the balance of trade but now get nothing due to political obstruction pm an issue that would cost the government nothing but giving permission.


So US corporations get some tidbits while the US landowners lose partial use of their land and a FOREIGN corporation makes billions.


that's unconstitutional according to Article V of the Bill of rights.
Of course there are always Congressmen willing to sell our ass off to line their pockets and when it doesn't go their way, they blame Obama.

Don't get me wrong. Obama is downright pitiful as a leader but using him as a scapegoat insults the intelligence of the average voter.

Of course, they aren't after the AVERAGE voter are they?

They're after the stupid ones.

Yaknow the ones who vote..........................

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/15/2015 4:15:11 AM   
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East coast ports are limited by ice in the winter. So crude and bitumen is stockpiled during winter.

How many times since the st. lawrence seway opened has it been frozen closed?

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/15/2015 5:13:33 AM   
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http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/Icebreaking/Ice-Navigation-Canadian-Waters/Ice-Climatology-and-Environmental-Conditions
here is environment canada info on the seaways out east.


oh and here is a lovely rant from Henry Rollins regarding canada.
http://www.laweekly.com/music/henry-rollins-lets-invade-canada-6266644


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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/15/2015 3:00:38 PM   
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East coast ports are limited by ice in the winter. So crude and bitumen is stockpiled during winter.

How many times since the st. lawrence seway opened has it been frozen closed?

Survey says ...every year from about december to march. Now we know.

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/17/2015 10:46:02 AM   
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well, apparently Transcanada says F**k you, USA..

No Keystone, No Problem: TransCanada Turns to Mexico Expansion
TransCanada to invest more than $3 billion in Mexico by 2017


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-17/no-keystone-no-problem-transcanada-turns-to-mexico-expansion

Sounds like you did them a favor, they will make more money faster with less hassle in Mexico..

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RE: F**k you Canada.... - 11/17/2015 11:03:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Keystone.... The pipeline already runs from Canada to Oklahoma. The consortium of U.S. and Canadian oil companies wanted to extend the pipeline from Oklahoma to Houston Texas so Canadian Crude could have access to an all year port to ship their oil internationally. Since it crosses state boundaries (interstate commerce) it requires permission from the federal government. Kind of like a federal building permit. Nothing in the plans calls for public money. But, the current administration has decided not to allow construction because it does not create enough American jobs nor provides any benefit to the strategic oil reserves. Soooo, the administration replies with a hearty f**k you, Canada over the issue after taking seven years to dither. Yes, he is more PC about it but that was the take away from the press conference. Isn't the GOP supposed to be the selfish ones? Heaven forbid; it would be the U.S. oil companies making money off the transportation fees after the pipeline was built with the oil company's money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/obama-set-to-reject-keystone-xl-project-citing-climate-concerns/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/07/us/obama-expected-to-reject-construction-of-keystone-xl-oil-pipeline.html?_r=0


The businessman I most revere is....Warren.

Warren owns rail.

Warren is the most important financial expert advising the Prez.

Do the math.

yeah? warren??? rail??? drinking the kool-aid?

Why so much oil from the fracking boom is moving by high-risk rail

More deaths and injuries past and future, because rail shipping is inherently more prone to these than pipeline transport. Also, a much higher risk of catastrophe as oil-laden "unit trains" of 80 to 120 tank cars move through the nation's largest, densest metropolitan areas, including the Twin Cities. (More oil is moving by truck and barge as well.)

It is difficult, for some reason, to clearly attribute injuries and fatalities to rail shipments of oil and gas versus other cargo. However, GAO's auditors found that from 2007 to 2011,

Fatalities averaged about 14 per year for all pipeline incidents reported to the [Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, part of the U.S. Department of Transportation], including an average of about 2 fatalities per year resulting from incidents on hazardous liquid and natural gas transmission pipelines.

In comparison, in 2010, 3,675 fatalities resulted from incidents involving large trucks and 730 additional fatalities resulted from railroad accidents. Therefore, increased transport of oil and gas by rail, truck or barge could only increase safety risks.


https://www.minnpost.com/earth-journal/2014/09/why-so-much-oil-fracking-boom-moving-high-risk-rail

Imo, people should not want to live anywhere near a rail line (or major hwy).. yup, massive fireballs & explosions from derailment is much safer & better for the environment too.. I wonder.. if they ship other dangerous chemicals along with the oil and gas.. hmmm.. www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PdXwxYBE6E

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