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Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined.Wha... - 11/29/2004 7:40:58 PM   
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In order for the society of alternate lifestyles to understand the complexities of its members and learn tolerance in not only their actions but in their beliefs and mind and body, one must take a closer look into the physiology and personalities of those people whom are a part of this alternate lifestyle, a part of Our world. I will start with My self in the hopes that others whom have been diagnosed in the vanilla world will also share in that which makes them who they are so that others can look into our complexities and in those find familiarities that makes us all one kinkie, different, diversified family. Being who I am, I have removed the personal connection of My words in adding the word him for her.

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LEARNING MALIGNANT SELF LOVE The SADISTIC NARCISSIST

"He spreads, he presses, thrusts, tears, all of his efforts are in
vain; in his fury the monster lashes out against the altar at
which he cannot speak his prayers; he strikes it, he pinches it,
he bites it; these brutalities are succeeded by renewed challenges;
the chastened flesh yields, the gate cedes, the ram bursts through;
terrible screams rise from my throat Never in my life have I
suffered so much.Inflamed by lust, the beast strikes with all his
force daring to mix love with these moments of cruelty, he fastens
his mouth to mine and wishes to inhale the sighs agony wrests from
me.."Justine Marquis de Sade"

The Sadistic Narcissist does not cater at all to his own needs. Contrary to
his reputation, the Sadistic Narcissist does not "love" himself in any true
sense of this loaded word.The sadistic narcissist feeds off other people who
hurl back at him an image that he projects to them. This is their
sole function in his world : to reflect his False Self, to admire
him, to applaud his actions, even to detest and fear him - in a
word, to assure him that he exists by giving him constant attention to
relent to the power.
Otherwise, the Sadistic narcissist feels that they have no right to tax his
time, energy, or emotions.People who suffer from Sadistic narcissism have a
sense of self-importance and no need for others to see such. They exaggerate
their actions and
talents and expect recognition from their managers and peers without
commensurate achievements. Preoccupied with finding a life of unlimited
success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love, they believe
themselves special and that they should only associate with other
special people - particularly high-status people or institutions.
They demand excessive admiration from both superiors and people
over whom they have power.Their sense of entitlement demands
favorable treatment and automatic compliance with expectations.
Interpersonally exploitive, they take advantage of others to
achieve their own ends usually in a painful manner. They lack empathy -
they cannot recognize
or identify with the feelings and needs of others emotionally
and can only identify with feelings physically. They envy others or believe that
others are envious of them and exhibit arrogant behaviors and
attitudes.The Sadistic narcissist is possessed of a revolving high then low
self-esteem based off of those peers around them. In public, the Sadistic
narcissist presents himself as the
quintessential winner. But deep inside, he judges himself to be a
good-for-nothing loser, a permanent, irreversible failure that nothing nor
anyone can change. He hates
himself for being so, and he constantly envies everyone around him
for various reasons and can take the smallest of negitive action
against him and blow it out of proportions because of the emotionally
disconected self. His discontent is often
transformed into depression which is well hidden from those around him.
Unable to love himself, the Sadistic narcissist
is unable to love another with out extream adoration present its either
all or nothing for him. He
regards and treats people as though they were objects: exploits
and discards them if they do not fit his mold. He mistreats people
around him by asserting his superiority at all times, by being
emotionally cold or absent, by constantly bickering, verbally
humiliating, incessantly (mostly unjustly) criticising, and by
actively rejecting or ignoring them, thus provoking uncertainty
which is a uncontrollable objectability with in the personality that
is a natural personalitly flaw. They tend to tell the stark truth even if it hurts.
The Sadistic narcissist's interpersonal relationships are deformed and sick
by societys measure and are usually on the outskirts of whats
deemed normal and are usually extream and not accepted by even those in
alternate living. Sadistic Narcissists actively encourage people to form
expectations only to disappoint and frustrate them later to tears. They
lack many skills due to the disabled brain function and tend to rely
on people around them to make up for these deficiencies or brush
them off as not nessisary.That people will obey him, cater to his
needs, and comply with his wishes is taken for granted by the
Sadistic narcissist, as a birth right. At times the Sadistic narcissist socially
isolates himself, exuding an air of superiority, expressing disdain,
or a patronising attitude that most will not understand and are afraid of.
At times he verbally lashes his nearest
and dearest and it takes sometimes years to retrain the brain to change
this trait. Yet the Sadistic narcissist expects total allegiance, loyalty,
and submissiveness in all circumstances regardless if it is socially or in
the workplace or home. Mostly, the Sadistic narcissist
prefers to be feared or admired rather than loved. He describes
himself as a "strong, no nonsense" man, who is able to successfully
weather extraordinary losses and exceptional defeats and to
recuperate. He expects other people to respect this image that he
projects or lives thru and to always respect his accomplishments. Thus,
the beneficiaries are objects, silent
witnesses to the Sadistic narcissist's grandiosity and magnanimity, the
audience in his one-man show. He is inhuman in that he needs no
one and nothing and he is superhuman in that he showers and shares
the cornucopia of his wealth or talents abundantly and unconditionally.
Even the Sadistic narcissist's abundant charity reflects his sickness.
Even so, the Sadistic narcissist is more likely to donate what he considers
to be the greatest gift of all himself, his time, his presence. He takes
great enjoyment and in extream cases sexual desire from the pain in others
be it emotional, physical, mentally provoked or spiritual.
Where other altruists contribute money he avails of his time and
of his knowledge. He needs to be in personal touch with those aided
by him, so as to be immediately rewarded for his efforts.
When the Sadistic narcissist volunteers he is at his best. He is often
cherished as a pillar of civic behaviour and a contributor to
community life and this is usually the only place other then when he is
into his Sadistic act will the public will see him. Thus, he is able to
act, win applause, and reap
Sadistic Narcissistic Supply and all with full legitimacy.We dealt until
now only with appearances. The Sadistic narcissist's behaviour is indicative
of a severe pathology which lies at the heart of his psyche and
which deforms almost all his mental processes. A permanent
dysfunction permeates and pervades all the strata of his mind and
all his interactions with others and with himself being a self hater.
What makes a Sadistic narcissist tick? What is his hidden psychodynamic
landscape like? It is a terrain guarded zealously by defence
mechanisms as old as the Sadistic narcissist himself. More than to others,
entrance to this territory is barred to the Sadistic narcissist himself.
Yet, to heal, however marginally, he needs this access most and learning
to communicate openly helps the Sadistic narcissist overcome his sickness.
Sadistic Narcissists are bred by other sadistic narcissists. To treat others as
objects, one must first be treated as such. To become a sadistic narcissist,
one must feel that one is nothing but an instrument used to satisfy
the needs of a meaningful (maybe the most meaningful) figure in his
life. One must feel that the only source of reliable, unconditional,
total love is himself. One must, thus, lose faith in the existence
or in the availability of other sources of emotional gratification.
This is where the pain for pleasure comes in and the boundaries pushed.
This is a sorry state to which the Sadistic narcissist is driven by long
years of denial of his separate existence and his breaking of boundaries, by a
volatile, or arbitrary milieu, and by constant emotional self-reliance.
The Sadistic narcissist not daring to face the imperfection of the
frustrating figures (usually, the parents), not able to direct his
aggression at it, resorts to destroying himself and taking the pain out
on others for release.The Sadistic narcissist thus
catches two birds with one stone of self-directed aggression: he
vindicates the meaningful figure and their negative judgement of
himself and he relieves his anxiety. Sadistic or Narcissistic parents tend to
perniciously mould their offspring in the formative years of early
infanthood, well into the sixth year of age.An adolescent, while
still applying the finishing touches to his or to her personality,
is already out of harm's way by turning their feelings in and locking them
away. The 10 year olds are more susceptible
to Sadistic narcissistic pathology, but not in the subtle irreversible
manner which is the precondition for the formation of a
Sadistic Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The seed of pathological
sadistic narcissism is planted earlier than that.Sadistic Narcissists are born to
narcissistic,sadistic, painful, depressive, obsessive-compulsive,passive-aggressive
and, in general, mentally and or emotionally disturbed parents. Alternatively, they
may be born into chaotic circumstances. Delinquent parents are not
the exclusive vehicle of deprivation. War, disease, famine, a
particularly nasty divorce, or sadistic peers and role models
Capricious behaviour and arbitrary judgement, contradicting
directives, or emotional absence are the elements which constitute
the sadistic narcissist's menacing, whimsically unexpected, dangerously
cruel world and treatment of others.In such a world, emotions are negatively rewarded.
The development of emotions requires long-term, repeated, and safe
interactions to overcome the sadistic narcissistic personality. Such
interactions call for stability, predictability and a lot of
goodwill on the behalf of those around the sadistic narcissism. When these
prerequisites are absent, the sadistic narcissist
prefers to escape into a world of his own making to minimise the
hurt and retreats prefering to be alone totally. Such a world combines an
"analytical ratio" coupled with
repressed emotions.This invented, highly elaborate has all the perks, universe is
not devoid of emotions. Quite the contrary: it is infused with them,
they colour every act, however automatic and basic. But they are
tagged differently in the brain. The sadistic narcissist does not lose his
ability to feel, he loses his ability to realise that he is feeling
and to recognise his feelings as such which tends to make him look
hollow to others. When forced to communicate his emotions usually
by some kind of threat to his image or to his world, or
by a looming abandonment the sadistic narcissist uses an alienating and
alienated, "objective" language and person. He makes profligate use of this
emotionless speech also in therapy sessions, where direct contact
is made with his feelings. All this makes it difficult to penetrate
the impregnable: the sadistic narcissist's inner world.The sadistic narcissist himself
has limited access to it. Humans rely on communication to get to
know each other and they empathise through comparison. Communication
absent or lacking, we cannot truly feel the "humanness" of the
sadistic narcissist as most times his personna is well unattached.The sadistic
narcissist is, thus, often described by others as
"robotic", "machine-like", "inhuman", "emotionless", "android",
"vampire", "alien", "automatic", "mean", and so on. People
are deterred by the sadistic narcissist's emotional absence. They are wary
of him and keep their guard up at all times around such emotionally
void empty people.Certain sadistic narcissists are good at simulating emotions
and can easily mislead people around them. Yet, their true colours
are exposed when they lose interest in someone because he no
longer serves a sadistic narcissistic purpose. Then they no longer invest
energy in what, to others, comes naturally: emotional communication.
This is the essence of the sadistic narcissist's exploitativeness. To a
certain degree, we all exploit each other. But, the sadistic narcissist
abuses peoples emotions and thought processes. He misleads them into believing that they
mean something to him, that they are special and dear to him, and
that he cares about them. When they discover that it was all a
sham and a charade, they are devastated and he takes pleasure in such pains.
The sadistic narcissist's problem
is exacerbated by being constantly abandoned by those whom have been hurt by
his ways. It is a vicious cycle
the sadistic narcissist alienates people and they leave him. This, in turn,
convinces him that he was always right in thinking that people are
selfish and always prefer their self-interest to his welfare. His
antisocial and asocial behaviours are, thus, amplified, leading to
yet more serious emotional ruptures with his closest, nearest, and
dearest.This volatility erodes the sadistic narcissist's self-esteem,
self-image, and self-confidence which can be a dangerous situation. The
sadistic narcissist self-devalues and is reduced to depression and doubts and
can lash out. The sadistic narcissist is his own worst freind.The sadistic
narcissist does not realise his potentials because he needs to work with
others to do so and will always prefer being alone. But
he avoids getting involved in order to forestall pain and self-destruction that
he can see but does not accept.
The sadistic narcissist's schizoid reclusiveness is an act of self-preservation.
One can convincingly argue that the sadistic narcissist's self-destructive
streak is better manifested in the way he secures his self strokes.
The sadistic narcissist assumes that he is so unique that his uniqueness is
enough to establish his position as entitled to special treatment.
Some attributes of the sadistic narcissist are: dangerous, unpredictable,
verbally violent, deterring, businesslike, rich, well connected,
powerful, genius, innovator, revolutionary, reformer, non-conformist,
rebellious asexual, monkish, pervert, extreamist, author, intellectual,
bohemian, artist, commited family man, sage, experienced, stable,
and authoritative, charming. People feel that something is amiss
but they can't put their finger on it. So they keep their distance
from the sadistic narcissist, or abandon him altogether thus reinforcing
the Sadistic Narcissistic Cycle and, unwittingly, participating in it.JMO


Well
now you have seen a small look into My personna.
others can add what they know about their selfs
and about the family they are a part of, the BDSM
Family.





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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 11/29/2004 9:54:39 PM   
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Oh My MistressDread, I've known those like you, I've danced with them, and ran from their arms. I often have wondered the *what if's*, what if I'd stayed, what if I'd ignored the barbs, the angry words, the explosions. What if I could have, or should have, pretended none of it sucked the life out of my soul? Intuition told me it was all just as you say, when it was Medusa in that *N's* mirror. Those of us that find ourselves eating out of the hand that bites us, repeat over and over again the same path. Each time a little wiser, stronger... yet again we draw you to our breast to feed you, try to heal you with the only thing we know, our submission, our love. Is there any hope of ever winning?

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 11/29/2004 10:15:25 PM   
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That was FASCINATING!!!!!

Great read Dread, thanks!

Jules

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 11/30/2004 2:31:37 AM   
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Quivver

I am a Successfull Gorean Poly Mistress, and full time Volunteer whom
runs several businesses of My Sons while they are away at war.
Ive been a Wife and FC to two Gorean Masters simotainiously
one for 27 years the other for 16 years and widowed twice.
The three of Us have Owned between Us 26 lifetime concensual slaves
of which I now provide for between My three Poly Homes.
Ive had 8 children which are grown and sucessful adults now.
I know My place in the world and those whom desire what I
offer know their place in My world, and I in theirs. That is all.
If the world you went into Quivver sucked the life out of you then
it was not a world you should of been in. My world is the desired
world of those around Me and thats what makes the differance.
Youll find the world that makes you click as well Quivver. [[[Never stop looking]]]
Many people question when comming to Our Lifestyle, why does
this person or that person say or act as they do? I beleive people
need to understand what makes all of Us, All of Us whom live on
the outskirts of society and do so sucessfully tick and what makes
Us different from the Norms of society. We ARE different and We
are here because of Our differances and unacceptable being within
the vanilla society HOWEVER it does not mean that We cannot be
successfull human beings with in Life. We simply find Alternate ways
of doing and being such. JMO

Your welcome Jules and if I ever get to Your side of the street Id love to eat that strawberry! LOL!

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 11/30/2004 5:05:57 AM   
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MistressDread, Again Thank you for your words. Yes, that one visit (one person) I did let suck the life of me, It was not so much of a *lifestyle* experience, it was just your daily Vanilla *N*. What I was referring was how some of us that feel the need for submission weather realized or not are magically drawn to similar traits over and over again, and in that is where I find myself now. Once again I see a fantastic human (not the same individual) with so many talents even thru the veil of the projected ideal that is given. Yet that veil is thin to my eyes and I've noticed the internal pain. I ask if there is Hope in Winning any kind of longevity as this one takes my breath away. Thank you again for your words, and your strength. We all must make what works for us as we live what life gives us. You do seem to have masterd yours.
Best Wishes in all Future Endevors.


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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/1/2004 12:18:57 AM   
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How strange I felt reading your post! I discovered some of what you revieled about yourself I could identify with; and some I could relate to. Yet some didn't relate at all to me. I spent all my university years trying to discover what made me --me? I was studying for a B.A. in Criminal Justice at Ashland U.; with a concintration in Psychology. I had to drop out in my Senior year. But, I was never able to blueprint myself as fully as you have! And so I will thank you for that part of you I can relate to myself and keep the rest in mind. I am curious how you can be so detailed? I tried very hard to understand me, but could not come anywhere close to your work. Thank you again for your post. It was very educational and informative.

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/1/2004 12:42:20 PM   
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Let me see if I have this right....... you're saying that you were diagnosed as a sadistic narcissist, and the description you copied in your post is a clinical description of a sadistic narcissist? Is that right?

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I will start with My self in the hopes that others whom have been diagnosed in the vanilla world will also share in that which makes them who they are so that others can look into our complexities and in those find familiarities that makes us all one kinkie, different, diversified family. Being who I am, I have removed the personal connection of My words in adding the word him for her.


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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/4/2004 9:21:48 AM   
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Your welcome Scatman.

NO DsCouple
You do not have
what you stated
right. What I stated is
this:
quote:

In order for the society of alternate lifestyles to understand the complexities of its members and learn tolerance in not only their actions but in their beliefs and mind and body, one must take a closer look into the physiology and personalities of those people whom are a part of this alternate lifestyle, a part of Our world. I will start with My self in the hopes that others whom have been diagnosed in the vanilla world will also share in that which makes them who they are so that others can look into our complexities and in those find familiarities that makes us all one kinkie, different, diversified family. Being who I am, I have removed the personal connection of My words in adding the word him for her.

My discription of self is not copied but typed out by Me and is in no way anything clinical in nature but My opinion of what I have been told based off of a clinical diagnoses. That is the differance. What clinical diagnoses that is shows as simalar to is simply that a simalarity. But these are My words. I do however ask that others whom have had a diagnosis come here to discuss such. for the better understanding of what makes All of Us tick so to speak.

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/4/2004 1:05:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD
LEARNING MALIGNANT SELF LOVE The SADISTIC NARCISSIST

1/2 way down the page go to Introduction: Narcissism - The Soul of a Narcissist - The State of the Art
That is the first part a several
http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Personality_Disorders/Site/Transcripts/narcissism.htm

Hope this helps


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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/4/2004 1:30:11 PM   
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http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/narcissisticpd.htm

This one is more general

Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Reprinted with permission from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth Edition. Copyright 1994 American Psychiatric Association

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/4/2004 2:34:30 PM   
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right collarmepls there are many
simalar definitions defined across
the W W W Im sure with out even
going out and looking. And the same
thing would go for any Psychiatric
definitions or personality traits.
I used Mine as a sample for a
start for others whom understand
their selfs more completly then
sum and would like to bring out
their differances for others to see
that there are others like Us out
here in the world and many not
feel that they are alone in their
differances in the world.Like Scatman.
And Also to inform for better understanding
n explain to those that dont understand
why We might act or speak a certain
way they do not understand and what
makes Those of Us on the outskirts of
whats deemed normal society tick.
Im sure that this is a sticky subject
for many to address but it is one such
that in a place like this needs to be
addressed as well for a full rounded
understanding of BDSM . D/s . Gor .
and All other Alternate ways of Lifestyle
and kinks.
.

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/5/2004 5:41:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD
Im sure that this is a sticky subject
for many to address but it is one such
that in a place like this needs to be
addressed as well for a full rounded
understanding of BDSM . D/s . Gor .
and All other Alternate ways of Lifestyle
and kinks.
.


Well You are extremely brave to come forward with this but i think it is moreso understanding Your personality and all it entails fundamentally as well as how You mange bdsm within those contraints. Not everyone into the lifestyle of bdsm has the same personality as You do. You are honest and up front about it so someone who wishes to serve You knows at an instant the details of Your personality. Everthing is above board and my hat is off to You as that is a very responsible and honorable way to handle this. i could onl;y wish more had Your attitude as most i have found are in denial and will go thru great lengths to stay that way...

Best wishes and best of luck,
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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/5/2004 11:05:26 PM   
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MistressDREAD,

I am awestruck by your courage in bringing this up. Even if "Even the Sadistic narcissist's abundant charity reflects his sickness." ;) You've provided some fascinating insights that I'm grateful for. I hope this topic generates the rich discussion it deserves.

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Does anyone out there believe there are certain "universal" personality qualities, besides the obvious sexual creativity, among BDSM practitioners?

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/6/2004 12:00:48 AM   
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Thankyou slave.
Being Dominant
means being strong
to face that which
others are not always
comfortable in facing.
But in order to understand
Our selfs We must face
Ourselfs for all Our differances
and likenesses, kinks and
disfunctions.
kyakitten you are on the right
path to learning all about you.
I come from a linage of Sadists
and Narcissists more then three
generations long alltho I have
only known the three generations
befor Me and it is most definatly
passed down not only genetically
but by the teachings and trainings
with in the structure of upbringing
such as you discribed in your own
experiance kyakitten. Good luck
to the both of you in your discoverys. JMO

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/10/2004 8:21:13 AM   
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Hello MistressDread.

I work with people with SNPD, and was raised by one.
what i find interesting is your self disclosure motivation. have you bared your soul so that others may bathe in your glory?
Well im bathing, so enjoy.
In psychiatry, those with this form of personality disorder are really difficult to work with. But very interesting. Their flame, as im sure that your flame is, can be very alluring to moths.

Ive often wondered what would happen with these clients of the psychiatric services if they sought solace in the bdsm world, how that, as opposed to the plethora of drugs and therapies on offer compare in its management and suvival of. I would be interested to learn how bdsm helps you cope with SNPD. Other than to experience emotion through pain.

I thought your post was the best description of SNPD i have ever been given insight to. I loved it. Thankyou so much for allowing me your insights. I would dearly like to show this post to some clients i work with, but, that is not professionally appropriate. Thats a shame, because i believe that bdsm has much to offer as a viable solution, both for sufferers and their families.

I would class myself as a survivor of my upbringing. In as much, as its flavour is greatly watered down in me, being sub-clinical at my worst thankfully. But not so much, that i dont see a SNPD when i meet one. Not due to my years of psychiatric training or experience, but from having to attempt to keep up with one as i developed as a child, always anticipating where the next storm would come from and avoid it. I left home after just such a ferocious storm now many many years ago. I have learned at the feet, literally at times, of a sadist how to manipulate, how to avoid manipulation, how to not play the games, how to not reflect their self image. How to introduce in a non threatening manner, a continuum of solution, rather than the dichotomy perception. That 0-100 in 6 seconds is not the ONLY way to respond.

That anyone would chose to fly into this particular flame amazes me. Do your subs have no self preservation at all? How do you stop yourself from exploiting those who fly into your flame? Or do you? Perhaps the intense experience of Gorean rather than any bdsm helps? Is being Gorean rather than mere D/s an example of the SNPD, in the need to excel beyond others levels?

Im fascinated by personality disordered people. Not just SNPD, but most of them, with the exception of the inadequate. I work well with them. This i can do as i was taught how to do thisfrom birth, im genetically loaded, im environmentally loaded. You cannot kid a kidder.

Im mean no offense, i sincerely hope that i dont piss anyone off, i just feel passionately about this issue.
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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/10/2004 8:31:16 AM   
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Ive often wondered what would happen with these clients of the psychiatric services if they sought solace in the bdsm world, how that, as opposed to the plethora of drugs and therapies on offer compare in its management and suvival of.


Very interesting point. I am anxious to hear MistressDread's reply and any others here.

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/10/2004 8:32:55 AM   
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Hello Kyakitten.
Yes, i believe that there are certain univeral personality types within the bdsm community.
Certainly in submissives, you see clinical Personality Disorders in far more frequency than i have observed in other social stratas. There is a school of thought that victims of abuse are drawn to the bdsm lifestyle, where they can repeat their patterns of being an abuse victim. From a healthy perspective, bdsm is somewhere to exorcise your demons in a safe sane and CONSENTUAL framework. Unfortunately, some, due to having a personality disorder, perfer to exercise them.
Within the Dom/me section, i am not sure. Being an arrogant slightly antisocial pd myself, most of them seem foolish and pompous bombastic fools to me, and do very little other than trigger the sadist in me. I do not let my sadist out - maybe one day, when i have learnt about myself as much as MistressDREAD has, then i may go there. But certainly not yet. At 40, i am far too young and inexperienced.

I am watching this thread closely, i do hope others join in what is a excellent thread.

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/10/2004 5:21:24 PM   
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I work with people with SNPD, and was raised by one.
what i find interesting is your self disclosure motivation.
have you bared your soul so that others may bathe in
your glory?

Seeing here that you state that you were raised by one I will take the initiative and assume that you to are * One.
Yes it is always a Glory when You grasp hold of something that Your told was uncatchable and uncontrollable and not only wield it but control it as I have learned to do over the years. But it was not Me along that won this success and it was a combined effort of those closest to Me that cared for Me and knows of My personal struggles and triumphs with in My circle of living.
There is only one reason that I have choose to bare My self in that which I am * officially called *
and has nothing to do with glory but that fact that so many see Me as this Boisterous, Wicked, Callous, Unfeeling, Hurtful, Outspoken, no Feeling Person based off of My actions and words that I openly post here so that ALL can see the every day workings of a person with a mind like My self and have noticed that My ideas and My thoughts and My opinions in most cases run very differently then the majority and I felt that in all fairness those whom are here learning and experiencing Our Real Lifestyle of Alternates SHOULD be informed about ALL of the type of people whom live and thrive through out Our Lifestyle. The majority of people whom have the same type of disorder as Me, you would NEVER see showing their selfs here in most occasions and there are many more Sadistic Narcissistic folks out there then most would like to lead onto and people whom choose to come to Our Lifestyle need to know and understand not just the disorder I live with but ALL of the disorders that folks bring to Our Lifestyle and how it may or may not effect Us all and be totally aware and informed and yes even made wary and be fully informed before getting involved with that which You do not know.

Unlike the Med/Phyc World of the past 20 years or so in the USA which directs their application of all med/Phyc to wards the medicines man made there are still many avenues in which to take when evolved with disorders, that are practiced around the world which have been in place for hundreds of years before the man made products even existed, not to down such for it is but just another avenue one chooses to travel down as the one I choose, and BDSM has been around much longer then the actual name it is called now of BDSM, and practiced and comforted those of Us that live and thrive on the outskirts of whats deemed normal by todays society's standards.

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bdsm is somewhere to exorcise your demons in a safe sane and CONSENTUAL framework. Unfortunately, some, due to having a personality disorder, prefer to exercise them.

I do not consider practicing a Alternate Lifestyle with a personality disorder as being unfortunate. I consider it Freeing and just because a person has a disorder or even a disability doesn't mean that they cannot attain a life that is considered with in OUR SOCIETY as productive and proactive just as vanillas are to its societies.
There are many persons who have absolutely nothing wrong with them selfs and can still be abusive persons and predators to other human beings. It doesn't take a dishonor nor a disability to make a person go against the law or morality or common sense or judgment and end up hurting another against their will and many do such with out care. I might not have the ability to feel things as those that are deemed normal do but I have been taught and learned successful not to let this disorder lend My self out to doing things that are considered legally or self consciously wrong. I regard honor and integrity with in My lifestyle of the highest achievement as well as My successful Life I have lived ill regardless of the many tragedies I have bared.
I personally know this to be a hereditary issue with in My blood line and have worked to wards weening and turning it to wards a better use and understanding and with in the Lifestyle I can practice the urges I have with out being judged and accepted for My actions and feelings which would not be accepted outside of the BDSM Lifestyle but those of which I would practice any how to keep the edge off of the urges end of My disorder. I cannot say that My way will work for many or all or even a few but it has worked for those with in My Family and worked well and We have turned what was a issue not so many generations ago in My Family's linage of a personality that would get Us burned at the stake or stoned to death to being accepted in Our Alternate Lifestyles Ways today and even honored in some circles. The things We do We do VERY well when it comes to the practice and talent of pain for release, pain for pleasure, and pain for punishment.
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Being an arrogant slightly antisocial pd myself, most of them seem foolish and pompous bombastic fools to me, and do very little other than trigger the sadist in me. I do not let my sadist out

All Sadists are naturally arrogant, welcome to the crowd. Actually We are naturally antisocial as well and that is one of the real challenges I face daily in My interaction with the pubic at large and your opinion to most any one being inferior to your self is a natural effect of your disorder as well. I like My Sadistic Me being triggered and let out so to speak. I don't hold My self back and let any here see My feelings the way they hit Me when they hit Me and do not hide any thing as most Sadists do until its to late and They explode. Sadists should never be taught to hold things in nor allowed to not show their feelings. This is what brings out negative action uncontrolled. Sadists minds work ten times faster then most and it needs to be constantly stimulated in order to work off the mental energy that is constantly shooting off in their brains.
This is why you will find that 99% percent of them are workaholics and non sleepers usually thriving off of 4 or less hours their whole entire life.
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I would be interested to learn how bdsm helps you cope with SNPD. Other than to experience emotion through pain.

LOL! There has been many whom have been interested and I have been a case study on more then one occasion. Gainfully Financially of course ~wink~
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anticipating where the next storm would come from and avoid it.

Me and Mine have learned how to quell the storms into waves We all roll through and over and under acceptingly.
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That anyone would chose to fly into this particular flame amazes me. Do your subs have no self preservation at all?

I do not deal with subs at all.
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How do you stop yourself from exploiting those who fly into your flame? Or do you? Perhaps the intense experience of Gorean rather than any bdsm helps? Is being Gorean rather than mere D/s an example of the SNPD, in the need to excel beyond others levels?

I do not call My practice of My desires as exploitation but exploration as well as the slaves the majority lifelong that I Own. I was born into BDSM and I was introduced into Gorean ways by My First Marriage. I do believe that being Female and not Male has a large difference in how One deals with this type of disorder.
In My Home Growing up there were more then 5 Sadists present on any given occasion and one learns MUCH in such a situation.
Ive never been D/s nor ever will be and as far as learning and living by the rules of Gor and accepting many of the applications and concepts with in the books of John Norman I find no different then any whom choose to follow the books of the bible and King James, both being written by Men and both applied to real life living with rules, protocols and ways which form a society of like minded of an accepting GROUP.
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the need to excel beyond others levels?

I will never lose the constant desire to excel in all things better then any thing and any one around Me. I am always on 101% in everything I do and am never satisfied in My Own accomplishments all tho most around Me are. I have learned to take pleasure in others accomplishments more then My Own, however don't dare tell Me that I'm not doing as well as I should because that will earn You My Wrath. I really am My worst Enemy.

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/14/2004 7:51:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD


Seeing here that you state that you were raised by one I will take the initiative and assume that you to are * One.

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RE: Psychiatric Alternate Lifestylers Personnas Defined... - 12/14/2004 8:49:49 PM   
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actually I stated up above I was raised by Two.
Which is the fact, and I My self am also One.

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