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RE: How 'Free' is the media? - 11/25/2015 11:04:24 AM

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seems about right...

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Look around. Children fighting in schools, college campuses awash in indoctrination, police being reviled by anarchists, and a president who couldn't care less because he revels in the chaos. Our planet is besieged by terrorists, overrun with refugees, drowning in debt and heading for a nuclear Armageddon with a nuclear Iran.

America used to be the leader that kept world order, or at least, assisted in the process. No more! The plain, simple truth is the American people bought a smile and a calm demeanor, coupled with high-minded rhetoric, and put a radical, European-style socialist into the White House. He promised to remake America, and the press never asked just what was his idea of a New America.

A week before the 2008 election, Charlie Rose had Tom Brokaw on his show and asked him: What do we know about Barack Obama? What books does he read? Who are his heroes? He also said, "We know so little about the man." Brokaw agreed and repeated the same mantra. Yet, when Katie Couric asked Sarah Palin what newspapers she read, the planet came to a halt. The press is the print arm of the Democratic Party, and we are all the lesser for it.

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Yea, started in 2000, came to a zenith in about 2006. I mean, we didn't even know just what W's favorite drug was !!

Plus as I've written, this socialist shit is a real hoot. Banks bigger and riskier than ever, their and hedge fund's profits in the Billion$ hand over fist, corporate profits singing all of the way to their offshore banks, Dow index and equities almost tripled, 95% of all income growth since 2008 going to the top 1% or 5% depending on who you read.

Yep, as a socialist, Obama is an abject failure unless of course should wall street and some big insurance companies need a little more socialism, while he's still in office.

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RE: How 'Free' is the media? - 11/26/2015 12:57:25 PM

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Veterans Day is an official United States public holiday, observed annually on November 11, that honors military veterans, that is, persons who served in the United States Armed Forces.

That would be your opinion.

An Act (52 Stat. 351; 5 U. S. Code, Sec. 87a) approved May 13, 1938, made the 11th of November in each year a legal holiday—a day to be dedicated to the cause of world peace and to be thereafter celebrated and known as "Armistice Day." Armistice Day was primarily a day set aside to honor veterans of World War I,

IF Cuba was part of the U. S., then those uniforms would look like U. S. uniforms would look like standard issue U. S. military uniforms. I can only assume you were trying to be facetious.

I can only assume you have no clue as to the origin of armistice/veterans day or how it has morphed. A little reading could disabuse you of your ignorance.

Actually, a little further reading would have disabused you of YOUR ignorance:
Not just my opinion, this comes from the Office of Veterans Affairs.

I can only assume you have no clue as to the origin of armistice/veterans day or how it has morphed. Obviously you have no clue what the words "origin" and "morphed" mean. A little reading could disabuse you of your ignorance.

Wctually, I did have an idea of the origin of Veterans Day.

Not a very clear one, since you can't seem to understand what the words "original" and "morphed" mean.

As for Armistice Day morphing into Veterans Day, in what way does that explain your inane comment about Cuban soldiers being North American soldiers?

Had you not been in the shithouse smokin fags while they were teaching geography in the fifth grade you would know that cuba is part of north amerika.

Can you point out how your original comment to that effect is covered by either Veterans Day recognizing AMERICAN...U.S.of A....soldiers or Armistice Day celebrating World Peace?

Perhaps if you had ever read a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you would know that cuba was an amerikan ally in both world war 1 and world war 2.

Or could you just not stand the fact that a liberal journalist got caught in his own mistake? And corrected it himself?

Nope...just pointing out that the most puerile of children would be so unaware of the history of armistace day.

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RE: How 'Free' is the media? - 11/30/2015 7:58:44 PM

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Depending on who you read outside the MSM, either 5 or 6 giant media/entertainment/broadcast companies...own 90% of western and close to that in world information...the MSM.

From your source:

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These five conglomerates are Time Warner, Disney, Murdochs' News Corporation, Bertelsmann of Germany, and Viacom (formerly CBS). Their control spans most of the newspapers, magazines, books, radio and TV stations, movie studios, and much of the web news content of the United States. These conglomerates are in large measure responsible for inculcating the social, political, economic, and moral values of both adults and children in the United States.

On those we agree. But, on this we do not agree totally. It is not so simple as you make it out to be.

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They report what they are told to report. Plus the MSM will not report what they are told...not to report.

The conglomerate media owners have a number of interests to which they are tuned. They have advertisers who they must avoid offending. They are subject to stockholder perceptions. And most reporters and opinion columnists are dependent on government "sources" and "experts" for access and for "news releases" which are major sources of their reporting. The U.S. Department of Defense uses a huge pile of taxpayer money from the Defense Budget to churn out endless numbers of press releases and provides military and intelligence agents (many retired) to appear on television or to speak authoritatively with reporters as unnamed sources to get the DOD's point of view and shades of opinions out to the press. So, an atmosphere is established (the so-called liberal NY Times not excepted) in which reporters and editors self-censorship. As I recall it, Noam Chomsky sets out several "filters" through which a story passes and is altered to become propaganda. (His book: Engineering Consent)

One filter parses the acceptable victims as against the unacceptable victims. So, in the current ongoing forever kerfuffle between Israel and the Palestinian people on the West Bank and in Gaza, newspapers and TV broadcasts seldom detail any information about 100s or 1000s of dead Palestinians but will spare no detail or outrage about individual Israelis who are killed. The same was true of millions of non-descript Cambodians, Vietnamese, and Iraqi who died as a result of our invasions. An unacceptable victim gains our sympathy because they are a member of one of our client states. An acceptable victim remains anonymous because he is a member of an opposing state. I think I have that right.

Chomsky fleshes out and tests his propaganda model around the central issues of (1) patriotism, (2) anti-communism, and (3) the benefits and advantages of U.S. Multinational Corporations.

Additionally, the new technology and broader audience of print and broadcast news have become so highly expensive it is nearly impossible for an opposition news source to start up or to remain established. All of the pro-labor publications are long gone.

As an aside, have you noticed recently that almost all football games begin with the unfurling of a giant American flag nearly as big as the football field while the Star Spangled Banner is sung? Guess who pays for all those patriotic ceremonies? Yup, the Department of Defense pays the home team to allow that heart rousing patriotic display, engineering consent for the next phase of the endless war.

Free? I think not. The American press is controlled blatantly by the government.

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RE: How 'Free' is the media? - 11/30/2015 9:12:27 PM

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An unacceptable victim gains our sympathy because they are a member of one of our client states. An acceptable victim remains anonymous because he is a member of an opposing state. I think I have that right.

Sorry, I think I have this backwards. Chomsky used the terms 'worthy' victims who are those our media acknowledge and become exorcized over because they are citizens of client states or allies while 'unworthy' victims are citizens of hostile states and so are not deserving to have their humanity acknowledged.

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RE: How 'Free' is the media? - 11/30/2015 9:59:22 PM

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Details are emerging of an ominous attempt by Israel to censor internet giants Google and YouTube, following a meeting between Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister and the Internet platforms.

Israel first claimed that a joint mechanism had been established to censor material Israel claims is "inflammatory" ie. any material that doesn't show Israel as the holiest of holies. It seems that the mountain of evidence on YouTube and other internet platforms that show the truth about Israel's apartheid ethnic cleansing and murderous brutality are hurting. This is disputed by Google who have denied entering into any agreement.

More details here: http://www.alternet.org/israel-coordinate-google-youtube-censor-palestinian-videos-conflict

So it seems that not only the traditional print and broadcast media are subject to malign influences, but that strenuous attempts are being made to censor the internet to favour Zionist and other established interests. There are bound to be more in the future. Watch this space as they say.

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RE: How 'Free' is the media? - 12/2/2015 9:28:47 AM

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She said that Google agreed to strengthen the bilateral relations with Israel’s Foreign Ministry, and build a mechanism of “collaborative work” that would make both parties partners in monitoring the published materials and censoring them.

Confusing article. Is Google denying this or not?

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All foreign journalists who report in the Occupied Territories are required to register with the Israeli military, and any footage that they film is required to go through the Israeli Military Censor’s office before it can be released.

But, but, what do they have to hide? [snark]

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With the recent advances in technology, many Palestinians and other civilians have been able to post videos uncensored online.

Good!

BTW, Chomsky's book is titled "MANUFACTURING CONSENT" Apologies for the error earlier.

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RE: How 'Free' is the media? - 12/2/2015 12:51:36 PM

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She said that Google agreed to strengthen the bilateral relations with Israel’s Foreign Ministry, and build a mechanism of “collaborative work” that would make both parties partners in monitoring the published materials and censoring them.

Confusing article. Is Google denying this or not?

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All foreign journalists who report in the Occupied Territories are required to register with the Israeli military, and any footage that they film is required to go through the Israeli Military Censor’s office before it can be released.

But, but, what do they have to hide? [snark]

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With the recent advances in technology, many Palestinians and other civilians have been able to post videos uncensored online.

Good!

BTW, Chomsky's book is titled "MANUFACTURING CONSENT" Apologies for the error earlier.

Chomsky holds an unrivalled insight into what is done in this world.

Where on earth he obtains this information is anyone's guess - I'd imagine he has employees.

Because bright fellow that he is, he can't possibly understand these things off his own back.

Where Chomsky is wide of the mark, in my opinion, is his belief that people are inherently reasonable.

He may classify himself as a social anarchist, whatever term you want to use, but at heart he's a liberal.

His unshakeable belief is that people are inherently good and essentially reasonable, despite widespread evidence to the contrary.

So, yes, in the event he is speaking at an event near you and I then he is quite comfortably worth the entrance fee. He was in Manchester when I lived there and he's the only political type I've paid to hear.

Because he's a fountain of knowledge and he's a gentleman who keeps it to the point.

He is, however, ultimately flawed in his unshakeable opinion that people are like him and as a consequence the best form of government is one directed by reason and power from the bottom.

A good fellow with incomparable knowledge of how the world works, yet considering said knowledge of how the world works arrives at a baffling conclusion.

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RE: How 'Free' is the media? - 12/2/2015 1:01:26 PM

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I remain unconvinced that he views all people as basically good and reasonable.
Like you I too would pay money to hear him speak in person.

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