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Veterans Day! - 11/11/2015 9:31:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you have ever put on a uniform for this country, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/11/2015 9:45:16 AM   
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If you have ever put on a uniform for this country, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

Seconded!

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/11/2015 9:58:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Today we remember all of our veterans past and present. We ask for the healing of those who have been wounded in body and soul, wounds both visible and invisible. We pray for those who have returned and those who are returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, for those who served in Vietnam, Korea and World War II and live with injured bodies and traumatized spirits to receive your solace and healing.

We ask that those who are unable to pray for themselves will receive the blessings of our prayers offered on their behalf. Bring peace to those places where our women and men have fought. Bless those who served in non-combatant roles. May their service continue in their lives and may that service be positive for all of us.

Give us the vision to see a world in which all grow weary with war and fighting, and turn their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. These things we ask in the name of the Prince of Peace. Amen.

-- Rt. Rev. James “Jay” Magness, Episcopal Bishop of the Armed Forces


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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/11/2015 1:26:52 PM   
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If you have ever put on a uniform for this country, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.



We call it Remembrance Day.

Some take pride in war; others view it as 'lions led by donkeys'; others that the politics of it doesn't matter a jot.

Most people in Britain wear a poppy on their chest from late October to mid November, which was originally intended to remember those who fought and died in WW1 - because just about everyone here in a country of 60 million people has at least one Great Granddad who was wounded or killed in France or Belgium - but has become a day to remember all soldiers in all conflicts.

I certainly find it poignant. But because it's a waste of people's lives. All of my Great Granddads fought in WW1, and my Dad's Mother went to France to find her Dad's grave a while back and couldn't find it - seems that he was blown into small pieces - not enough of him left to find never mind bury.

And, what did any of my Granddads, coal miners, know about France, Germany or freedom? Nothing at all.

A really sad waste of someone's life, and you don't have to be left-wing to appreciate Sassoon's poetry.

I'm not anti-Government, but this is the area where I feel we are being played by the 'powers-that-be' more than any other.








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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/11/2015 1:43:22 PM   
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Thank you. All of you.


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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/11/2015 2:56:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Salute the boundless courage of the citizen soldiers of all nations conscripted on pain of death are imprisonment to die are be disabled so that corrupt politicians and industrialists can make lots of money causing wars on false pretexts.

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 8:26:54 AM   
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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 9:11:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not my Veterans day but anybody who volunteers their life at risk for the sake of their own country deserves alot of honour and respect!

US Veterans have also put their life at risk for other countries.

So Respect to you guys!

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 9:38:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed, Happy Veterans Day. TO all the US Vets.

Happy Rememberence Day to Canadians and to the English. Lest we forget.


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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 12:49:31 PM   
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Indeed, Happy Veterans Day. TO all the US Vets.

Happy Rememberence Day to Canadians and to the English. Lest we forget.


Pic taken from last year



When you are standing at your hero’s grave,
Or near some homeless village where he died,
Remember, through your heart’s rekindling pride,
The German soldiers who were loyal and brave.

Men fought like brutes; and hideous things were done;
And you have nourished hatred, harsh and blind.
But in that Golgotha perhaps you’ll find
The mothers of the men who killed your son.

I've always thought that this is the absolute final word on WW1 in terms of poetry.

There's no bond like that between a Mother and her children, and so all politics or jingoism or whatever stands out in all its pathetic absurdity when it destroys the ultimate human bond. And, of course the other great human trait is empathy and so national boundaries means absolutely nothing when you have Mothers losing their children. And, over what? What exactly is under such threat that is worth losing your children for?

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 1:19:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've always been moved by Wilfred Owen's "Parable of the Old Man and the Young," used in Benjamin Britten's War Requiem.

So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,
And took the fire with him, and a knife.
And as they sojourned both of them together,
Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father,
Behold the preparations, fire and iron,
But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?
Then Abram bound the youth with belts and straps,
and builded parapets and trenches there,
And stretchèd forth the knife to slay his son.
When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,
Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,
Neither do anything to him. Behold,
A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;
Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.

But the old man would not so, but slew his son,
And half the seed of Europe, one by one.

https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/parable-old-man-and-young

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 2:22:28 PM   
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Not my Veterans day but anybody who volunteers their life at risk for the sake of their own country deserves alot of honour and respect!


“You risked your life, but what else have you ever risked? Have you risked disapproval? Have you ever risked economic security? Have you ever risked a belief? I see nothing particularly courageous about risking one's life. So you lose it, you go to your hero's heaven and everything is milk and honey 'til the end of time. Right? You get your reward and suffer no earthly consequences. That's not courage. Real courage is risking something that might force you to rethink your thoughts and suffer change and stretch consciousness. Real courage is risking one's clichés.”


I can't remember the author but I liked the sentiment so well I had it tatooed on my foreskin.

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 2:26:55 PM   
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If you have ever put on a uniform for this country, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts.

I am uncomfortable with people thanking me for killing poor people to make rich people richer.

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 3:56:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		For me, remembrance day is about all the millions who have died world over at the hands of war. All soldiers who fought because the law told them they had to and society told them they should, regardless of what country they were defending or invading. Remembrance must include all the civilians who also left behind families and friends.

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 9:40:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

“You risked your life, but what else have you ever risked? Have you risked disapproval? Have you ever risked economic security? Have you ever risked a belief? I see nothing particularly courageous about risking one's life. So you lose it, you go to your hero's heaven and everything is milk and honey 'til the end of time. Right? You get your reward and suffer no earthly consequences. That's not courage. Real courage is risking something that might force you to rethink your thoughts and suffer change and stretch consciousness. Real courage is risking one's clichés.”
I can't remember the author but I liked the sentiment so well I had it tatooed on my foreskin.

I disagree. You can risk belief, risk disapproval, all that can lead to a situation that you can always change positions later, as long as you are alive, even if you commit the worst crime, make the biggest fall, there is hope for redemption or change. If you risk your life and you end up dead. There is nothing you can do to reverse that position after.

There is nothing more noble than risking your life for someone or something. Even if they are risking their life just for livelihood.

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 9:49:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to disagree with that last sentence Greta. I have been there and have the scars to prove it and neither I nor any of the men I worked with felt at all noble. Our nobility would last as long as the money went in the bank at the next pay-day. If that didn't happen, neither did we.

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/12/2015 10:30:31 PM   
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K.





Quoted because it touched me.

Thank you, Kirata.



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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/13/2015 3:58:56 AM   
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“You risked your life, but what else have you ever risked? Have you risked disapproval? Have you ever risked economic security? Have you ever risked a belief? I see nothing particularly courageous about risking one's life. So you lose it, you go to your hero's heaven and everything is milk and honey 'til the end of time. Right? You get your reward and suffer no earthly consequences. That's not courage. Real courage is risking something that might force you to rethink your thoughts and suffer change and stretch consciousness. Real courage is risking one's clichés.”
I can't remember the author but I liked the sentiment so well I had it tatooed on my foreskin.


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There is nothing more noble than risking your life for someone or something. Even if they are risking their life just for livelihood.

That is because you and the donald never have and never will...both of you just large bags of hot air and nothing else.

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RE: Veterans Day! - 11/13/2015 4:01:12 AM   
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I have to disagree with that last sentence Greta. I have been there and have the scars to prove it and neither I nor any of the men I worked with felt at all noble. Our nobility would last as long as the money went in the bank at the next pay-day. If that didn't happen, neither did we.


Nothing but truth here.

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