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LadyConstanze -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/29/2015 4:41:10 PM)
They still get away with it, they just have to be more creative, seriously, if anybody wants to fire your ass, they can, or at least they can make your work life so unpleasant that you resign.

longwayhome -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/30/2015 11:29:21 AM)
It is hard not to have a sense of injustice about the fact that some of us in certain jobs run a risk even by being here and posting, but it is a sad and unfortunate fact of life. Yes it causes problems because it makes you by definition secretive. You can be found by knowing very few facts, especially if you have ever lived outside a city. You can certainly be narrowed down to a small handful of people from very scant information. One of your names, county of origin (or state if you are American) and what area you work in (not even specific job) can do the trick. The suggestion that employers should not consider sexual practice in hiring or firing you is of course correct but not reality. In the UK there are a number of cases where people have lost jobs, and/or had to face hearings to retain their professional registration, even where the outing was by a vindictive partner. One female social worker whose life was destroyed by an ex knows this only too well. Nothing non consensual, no harm, no risk to vulnerable people, just a bastard of an ex. I don't doubt that a good part of net secrecy is motivated by hiding things from friends, family or partners, but even if that was not a consideration there are still many of us who need to protect our livelihoods. A middle age "pervert" in a senior position or in a role providing a service to potentially vulnerable people isn't a good look for most organisations, public or private. For a male it can be worse but it's still pretty grim when you are a woman, as in the recent case involving the social worker. Since the sad passing of the informedconsent website in the UK much of the campaigning and information on these issues is harder to find, although the group still exists on FT albeit in a less accessible and active form. Sadder than the loss of the campaigning role was the fact that the site was not primarily a "dating" site so you could interact without people thinking you were coming on to them, which was useful in terms of being able to interact without constant accusations about your relationship status when you refused to meet or show your face. I feel very sad that my connection with the world is mediated by my need to be permanent discreet about my sexuality. When I chose my profession I just didn't think about it and I had a "permanent" monogamous partner. Being open with anyone other than my partner was just not an issue. Later on in life when I became single I realised how difficult it would be meeting the right person, especially with my sexual interests. The one argument for being publicly out is that as long as it's hidden, corporate entities and public opinion are always going to display the prejudice that BDSM is perverted and harmful. The need to counter prejudice is indeed a powerful argument. Being out and proud certainly makes sure that no-one can out you. From that point off view I.certainly feel some shame that not being out holds back the time when consensual sexual practice is unremarkable and carries no stigma. Unfortunately we are not there yet and being out and holding down certain types of "respectable" job are incompatible. Moreover why is my sexual practice anyone's business in public life? No matter what insults are thrown at people like me, I am still in no position to be recognisable and I will continue only to meet people in "real" life where I can use my instincts fully. I know I miss out as a result but that's just the sad reality.

tj444 -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/30/2015 12:26:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze They still get away with it, they just have to be more creative, seriously, if anybody wants to fire your ass, they can, or at least they can make your work life so unpleasant that you resign. that is why unions still exist & thrive in some countries/states/provinces.. so how easy or hard it is depends on various factors..

LadyConstanze -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/30/2015 1:12:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze They still get away with it, they just have to be more creative, seriously, if anybody wants to fire your ass, they can, or at least they can make your work life so unpleasant that you resign. that is why unions still exist & thrive in some countries/states/provinces.. so how easy or hard it is depends on various factors.. The unions in Europe tend to be stronger, still, you can give somebody consistently bad performance reviews, stuff like "not a team player", you give them a task that's impossible, they fail, another note in their files, you assign them tasks you know they aren't good at, you give them a target to reach and a time, then you demand results 2 weeks earlier and of course in your file you noted that it's due earlier... There are so many ways to get rid of people, as long as you never even mention the real reason, companies get away with it an awful lot. Usually they don't even have to kick people out, they resign themselves. Not great, but it's done a lot and for the person it's damned hard to take legal steps because they didn't know what was happening and the other side has it all documented...

tj444 -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/30/2015 2:20:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze They still get away with it, they just have to be more creative, seriously, if anybody wants to fire your ass, they can, or at least they can make your work life so unpleasant that you resign. that is why unions still exist & thrive in some countries/states/provinces.. so how easy or hard it is depends on various factors.. The unions in Europe tend to be stronger, still, you can give somebody consistently bad performance reviews, stuff like "not a team player", you give them a task that's impossible, they fail, another note in their files, you assign them tasks you know they aren't good at, you give them a target to reach and a time, then you demand results 2 weeks earlier and of course in your file you noted that it's due earlier... There are so many ways to get rid of people, as long as you never even mention the real reason, companies get away with it an awful lot. Usually they don't even have to kick people out, they resign themselves. Not great, but it's done a lot and for the person it's damned hard to take legal steps because they didn't know what was happening and the other side has it all documented... Sure, all that is true but its better to have a union on your side than nothing, and its cuz of crap companies get away with that unions can get into a company and stay there..

seekingOwnertoo -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/30/2015 6:16:24 PM)
Hi there OP ... I too am in IT, and have been extraordinarily successful over the past 6 years. All without ANY social media presence! Read that again, without ANY ... Regardless of the BS about social media, in our profession you succeed by being good at what we do, making professional contacts, and maintaining them. This simple advice is often called networking. Networking, and being good at your job, will make you huge $$$$. The other career advice I can give you is: blow off all social media, and focus on interpersonal relationships with co-workers. They all remember the interpersonal interaction. Keep doing it when they leave, even if it is just a text every few months. If you must use social media, LINKEDIN is useful tool. It is an Electronic Resume ... treat it that way ... but that is all. Then too, if you must do a test site or two ... make it all professional ... don't post personal pics, reveal things about yourself; OR ANYTHING HUMAN RESOURCES can pin on you! Don't use twitter and facebook ... they just limit your real career successes!

seekingOwnertoo -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/30/2015 6:20:46 PM)
Isn't social media a marketing tool to sell product to the little people of the world? Don't be a victim ... take control ... be clean of it@

seekingOwnertoo -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/30/2015 6:51:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mawine The problem I have though, is that I imagine given that this site is set up more like a dating site keeping information hidden isn't conducive to opening out discussion with people, or meeting and chatting with people online. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to share photos or video chat with people early enough on to 'prove' I'm a real person. So, do people think I'm making more problems for myself? Is being afraid of losing the one steady client I have justified? Has anyone come across the difficult end of 'corporate identity'? Should I perhaps find a spine and talk to this company even at risk of losing the contract? In short, does anyone else have any advice? [:D] Wise concern. But no problem at all here. There are many in your shoes ... [:D] ... one person who used to post here, had a published a book, and not on D/s either. On this site, write a generic profile that provides an insight into who you are, without revealing personal details; then read profiles. If you read a profile you relate to, write back in a level headed manner, include a clothed picture and work from there. Its not rocket science ... :-) ... but you don't have to tell all on your profile, either. Keep it general ... Good luck

longwayhome -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/31/2015 1:42:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze They still get away with it, they just have to be more creative, seriously, if anybody wants to fire your ass, they can, or at least they can make your work life so unpleasant that you resign. that is why unions still exist & thrive in some countries/states/provinces.. so how easy or hard it is depends on various factors.. The unions in Europe tend to be stronger, still, you can give somebody consistently bad performance reviews, stuff like "not a team player", you give them a task that's impossible, they fail, another note in their files, you assign them tasks you know they aren't good at, you give them a target to reach and a time, then you demand results 2 weeks earlier and of course in your file you noted that it's due earlier... There are so many ways to get rid of people, as long as you never even mention the real reason, companies get away with it an awful lot. Usually they don't even have to kick people out, they resign themselves. Not great, but it's done a lot and for the person it's damned hard to take legal steps because they didn't know what was happening and the other side has it all documented... This is very true. All these people who moan about it being too difficult to sack people in the UK clearly have never really tried or are just lazy. It's not difficult to build up a file of "evidence" on someone, although it might take a month or two. If you really want to deprive someone of their livelihood (on a lifetime basis in some professions/industries because people just don't come back from being sacked in many areas) having to wait about 8 weeks doesn't seem excessive. If you can't sack an under-performing member of staff in the UK, you need to learn some HR and staff management because it simply isn't that difficult. Going back to the OP, the point is that you don't even need to create the potential publicity of sacking someone for bring the organisation into disrepute (a fairly standard charge for outed sexual deviancy), you just need to insinuate that they are incompetent. And when they claim they are being picked on or bullied, you just say they are squealing because they can't do their job. Employment tribunals will only act in the grossest and most obvious cases of abuse, while unions often shy away from defending anything but those obvious cases. So much for the UK's much-vaunted worker protections.

WickedsDesire -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (12/31/2015 12:09:36 PM)
stop quothing me in fullsome I can follow docstrange To which friend are you referring to? Mine post was singular. Ops, not sure why you thought otherwise...cant be bothered replying to second quote it was self explanatory..oh and I am correct on that one Corporate - what is that - may definitions I guess ladyc has a couple good points I can be on 1-5 websites I use 5 different email accounts because all sites are hacked and I prefer to know which one, as they do not always let on at time of occurrence I can afford to use the same pictures so back to docstrange as long as op uses that picture just for on here, or all fetish sites, with and an unique email he is pretty safe. latex one implies that and I am in total agreement I could write a big long one on net safety protecting your identity I just frankly cannot be bothered. corporate from top to bottom if they truly examined the whole and split the demographics I wonder what percentage, on sites, they would find; abusers, liars, cheats paedophiles, murderers and so on and what taxes they pay in this country and that

longwayhome -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (1/1/2016 5:24:32 AM)
Yea sure, we all know how to be safe and anonymous on the net. I've got my different emails for different purposes, for practical as well as anonymity reasons. Of course GCHQ could over-ride all of that even if you use TOR but we all need to be able to get out of bed in the morning without worrying about the Secret Service. The point is the secrecy it forces you to into, which means you are never being entirely truthful or sincere with people. It's a price you have to pay, but not one I enjoy paying. If someone provides a face pic I would like to provide one in return. In practice I can't which is sad and unfortunate. Feeling sorry for yourself would be self indulgent but a bit of honest therapeutic bitching every now and then seems entirely proportionate.

LadyConstanze -> RE: The Problem of 'corporate identity' (1/1/2016 10:24:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo Hi there OP ... I too am in IT, and have been extraordinarily successful over the past 6 years. All without ANY social media presence! Read that again, without ANY ... Regardless of the BS about social media, in our profession you succeed by being good at what we do, making professional contacts, and maintaining them. This simple advice is often called networking. Networking, and being good at your job, will make you huge $$$$. The other career advice I can give you is: blow off all social media, and focus on interpersonal relationships with co-workers. They all remember the interpersonal interaction. Keep doing it when they leave, even if it is just a text every few months. If you must use social media, LINKEDIN is useful tool. It is an Electronic Resume ... treat it that way ... but that is all. Then too, if you must do a test site or two ... make it all professional ... don't post personal pics, reveal things about yourself; OR ANYTHING HUMAN RESOURCES can pin on you! Don't use twitter and facebook ... they just limit your real career successes! You know there are plenty of IT jobs where if you do not have a social media presence, it will actually harm your career as they'll regard you as not being flexible enough to adapt to social media, a bit stuck in your ways, and depending what you do, it can count very much against you. Lots of IT companies have updates on Twitter. You have a choice of keeping your social media "clean" and you can post stuff that's tech related, then you might have another app where you don't use your real name, have it on private and only have people you know and trust and there you can voice your personal opinions. LindkedIn isn't a bad tool, but if you treat your "official" Twitter the same way, you're pretty much out of the woods. However most headhunters (and HR) have nifty little tools, the email you use to apply to them will give them all the social media that is connected with that email account, in case no social media shows up, a lot will pass on you as you don't seem to be interested enough in keeping up to date, or in some cases they really will start digging around, so give them something that is easy to find but absolutely not compromising and that's it then, problem solved.

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