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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/2/2015 2:52:36 PM

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I don't... i was not talking to you... you messaged me. Go back and read the series of posts leading up to mine and you will understand my post better.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/2/2015 3:08:34 PM

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I don't... i was not talking to you... you messaged me. Go back and read the series of posts leading up to mine and you will understand my post better.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/2/2015 3:58:35 PM

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suit yourself

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/2/2015 6:14:21 PM

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so let's get rid of those enemies permanently

Did you miss the part where I said I was done believing that crock of shit?
As I pointed out previously I was told the enemy was cuba which now it is not.
The enemy was the dominican republic and now it is not.
The enemy was columbia and now it is not.
The enemy was viet nam and now it is not.
The enemy was china and now it is not.
Now we have a new "enemy" how long before they are no longer the enemy?

So....you've shown all of us you have (some) level of cognitive dissonance.

Now...use it.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/2/2015 6:16:05 PM

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so let's get rid of those enemies permanently

The problem is that you'll only be permanently getting rid of the current crop of "those enemies," while also providing recruitment material for the next crop.

It may only be a similar comparison between what ISIS is doing and what Christians did during The Inquisition (Spain, et. al.). How were those terrible practices brought to an end? I don't know, but that might be worth something to look into for those in charge.

I think the only way to permanently rid ourselves of Violence in the name of Islam, is to prove that the violence isn't supported by the teachings of Islam. That will relegate the violence to rarities and isolated actions, like with the occasional "Christian" fuckstick.

Correctly....and....flawlessly (as usual) stated.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/3/2015 12:36:24 PM

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so let's get rid of those enemies permanently

The problem is that you'll only be permanently getting rid of the current crop of "those enemies," while also providing recruitment material for the next crop.

It may only be a similar comparison between what ISIS is doing and what Christians did during The Inquisition (Spain, et. al.). How were those terrible practices brought to an end? I don't know, but that might be worth something to look into for those in charge.

I think the only way to permanently rid ourselves of Violence in the name of Islam, is to prove that the violence isn't supported by the teachings of Islam. That will relegate the violence to rarities and isolated actions, like with the occasional "Christian" fuckstick.

Good question.

The Spanish Inquisition and assorted burning of catholics and protestants were/was brought to an end by two things:

Firstly, working your way through your own process of internal strife.

Secondly, the conclusion at the end of this process was that only tolerance and a democratic system of government could end such instinctive behaviour.

The really important thing here is that you have to go through your own process of struggle to arrive at a workable solution.

Outside forces attempting to impose it will only stir up a hornets nest.

In the event they want to burn each other then let them get on with it. Eventually they will realise it ain't a good idea.

On the other hand, keep getting involved in their business and they will focus on you rather than cleaning up their own house.

But then, of course the aim is to ensure they do not get their house in order.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/3/2015 1:36:59 PM

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so let's get rid of those enemies permanently

The problem is that you'll only be permanently getting rid of the current crop of "those enemies," while also providing recruitment material for the next crop.

It may only be a similar comparison between what ISIS is doing and what Christians did during The Inquisition (Spain, et. al.). How were those terrible practices brought to an end? I don't know, but that might be worth something to look into for those in charge.

I think the only way to permanently rid ourselves of Violence in the name of Islam, is to prove that the violence isn't supported by the teachings of Islam. That will relegate the violence to rarities and isolated actions, like with the occasional "Christian" fuckstick.

How about we drop this "we aren't at war with Islam" garbage and start pounding that we are helping mainstream Islam destroy a dangerous cult of heritics that many of them are fighting back against?

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/3/2015 2:10:48 PM

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I think the only way to permanently rid ourselves of Violence in the name of Islam, is to prove that the violence isn't supported by the teachings of Islam

This will be extremely hard to prove since Islam was spread through violence by their Prophet.
I would just call them out on it, and demand that they stop following that specific Prophet! And find a more peaceful one to follow.
The interesting thing about Islam is, it's not like the bible. The Quran has Hadiths that will give real historical examples of what that verse exactly means. And it usually confirms what it means literally.

When I speak to moderate muslims about this, they denounce the hadiths. For them to modernise, they have to discount the hadiths so that they are free to re-interprete the Quran to their peaceful interpretation.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/3/2015 4:32:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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so let's get rid of those enemies permanently

The problem is that you'll only be permanently getting rid of the current crop of "those enemies," while also providing recruitment material for the next crop.

It may only be a similar comparison between what ISIS is doing and what Christians did during The Inquisition (Spain, et. al.). How were those terrible practices brought to an end? I don't know, but that might be worth something to look into for those in charge.

I think the only way to permanently rid ourselves of Violence in the name of Islam, is to prove that the violence isn't supported by the teachings of Islam. That will relegate the violence to rarities and isolated actions, like with the occasional "Christian" fuckstick.

Correctly....and....flawlessly (as usual) stated.

Desi ALWAYS drives it home!!!!!!!

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/3/2015 4:44:00 PM

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It may only be a similar comparison between what ISIS is doing and what Christians did during The Inquisition (Spain, et. al.). How were those terrible practices brought to an end? I don't know, but that might be worth something to look into for those in charge.

That brought it home because, good Christians can fight them with Jesus as the role model, and say, "Jesus wouldn't want this!"

It's not the same problem. The evil Christians who incited violence are clearly violating Christianity values. As it is generally understood that, Christians aren't suppose to appoint themselves as God, and make judgement and punishments on others for religious beliefs. They are suppose to leave it to God and after life to adequately "punish" that human being who didn't follow their faith. Isn't Thou shan't not Kill in the ten commandments even?

The moderate muslims are having difficulty even fighting with their fundie muslims, because once they go back to the holy text, and start debating that, the moderates will lose, there are hadiths that are seen as the authentic words as much as the Quran and Tasfir. Moderates often try to claim the hadiths or Tasfir were inaccurate in their fight. It's a losing fight when they want to say something is not real, just because they don't like what is said inside and want to omit it.

The solution is really acknowledging that, these are taught in there, and are not compatible with modern society. Like this gotta be official knowledge out there, so that, Muslims can be told, these are 7th century barbaric times, they practiced these, and you are only allowed to practice the bits that are compatible with modern society, you got to stop practicing the backward bits.

Trying to defend Islam and keep saying, oh it's peaceful, it's totally peaceful. It's not! How can anybody who reads their teachings even associate the word "peace" to it, that I cannot fathom.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 11:16:35 AM

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That brought it home because, good Christians can fight them with Jesus as the role model, and say, "Jesus wouldn't want this!"

So it was all the "good christians" who stoped the inquisition?
It was all the good christians who stopped the crusades?
It was all the good christians who stop those who would murder abortionist?
Christians are not a nickles worth different than any other religion. It is all about the benjamins and nothing more.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 2:02:00 PM

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Trying to defend Islam and keep saying, oh it's peaceful, it's totally peaceful. It's not! How can anybody who reads their teachings even associate the word "peace" to it, that I cannot fathom.

We could interpret a book according to our own bias, or:

We could look at the evidence.

When was the last time a muslim country invaded England or the United States or France or a few more.

How many times have Western nations set up shop in muslim countries?

The fact, and I restate fact, not your interpretation of religious books; is that the aggressors are Western nations.

I don't speak as someone who has a problem with religion; nor do I care who is killing whom in the world - it's boring and nothing to do with me - but what I can't stand is people with big mouths who have a lot to say but none of it has any basis in fact.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 2:05:24 PM

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I think you need to look back in history to the answers of your questions of conquest.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 2:45:11 PM

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I think you need to look back in history to the answers of your questions of conquest.

You clearly don't agree so go ahead and list these muslim invasions of Western nations.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 2:49:24 PM

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I think you need to look back in history to the answers of your questions of conquest.

You clearly don't agree so go ahead and list these muslim invasions of Western nations.

Will you include European nations as "Western"?

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 2:52:08 PM

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NorthernGent why limit it to western nations? There are many Christian, and other ethnic and religious populations, under attack by Muslims throughout the world.

And why just limit to this era?

Butch

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 3:00:12 PM

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NorthernGent why limit it to western nations? There are many Christian, and other ethnic and religious populations, under attack by Muslims throughout the world.

And why just limit to this era?

Butch

Clearly because I have the facts that Western nations set up shop in other people's countries, not the other way 'round; and you have a baseless opinion that muslim countries are the aggressors.

So, list these muslim ventures into any non muslim country in any era.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 3:02:07 PM

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When?

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 3:09:18 PM

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I think you need to look back in history to the answers of your questions of conquest.

You clearly don't agree so go ahead and list these muslim invasions of Western nations.

Will you include European nations as "Western"?

Of course. I'm aware of Spain, Sicily, Siege of Vienna in the 1600s etc; but none of this would even register compared with Western nations setting up shop in their countries.

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RE: So . . . what do we do about Daesh? - 12/4/2015 3:11:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

NorthernGent why limit it to western nations? There are many Christian, and other ethnic and religious populations, under attack by Muslims throughout the world.

Have christians ever attacked muslims?

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