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WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 2:22:40 AM   
jlf1961


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Status: offline 		Donald Trump claims thousands of Muslims in Jersey City New Jersey cheered as the towers fell on 9/11. Source

Let us face some facts:

The guy is either a racist asshole of indescribable proportions, or he is a fucking nut job.

Wanting to have all Muslims in the US registered and tracked?

And people want to compare Obama to Hitler?

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 2:30:37 AM   
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Let us face some facts:

The guy is either a racist asshole of indescribable proportions, or he is a fucking nut job.



Or perhaps, The Mop is both a "a racist asshole of indescribable proportions" and "a fucking nut job".

Personally I wouldn't like to have to decide which when he easily qualifies as both.

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 2:34:02 AM   
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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 3:29:16 AM   
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Donald Trump claims thousands of Muslims in Jersey City New Jersey cheered as the towers fell on 9/11. Source

Let us face some facts:

The guy is either a racist asshole of indescribable proportions, or he is a fucking nut job.

Wanting to have all Muslims in the US registered and tracked?

And people want to compare Obama to Hitler?

I wouldn't say there were thousands of Muslims cheering at the fall of the two towers - but there certainly were some cheering ecstatically in NY and elsewhere around the world.

It was reported and shown across several media outlets including ABC, BBC and AFP at the time.
There are quite a few websites with this info, including wordpress and blackfive and europenews
Wiki reports: "...The attacks were widely condemned by the governments of the world, including those traditionally considered hostile to the United States, such as Cuba, Iran, Libya, and North Korea. However, in a few cases celebrations of the attacks were also reported, and some groups and individuals accused the United States in effect of bringing the attacks on itself.".

Personally, I think he fits both bills - a racist AND a nut job!

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 4:10:10 AM   
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/11/when-the-press-attacks-donald-trump-the-truth-is-optional.php

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So NPR, the New York Times and the Associated Press searched contemporaneous news accounts and could find no evidence of Muslim-Americans cheering in Jersey City. That’s odd. Because it took me less than two minutes to find this story from the Washington Post dated September 18, 2001 (although I did have to spend $3.95 to buy it from the Post’s archives):


In Jersey City, within hours of two jetliners’ plowing into the World Trade Center, law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.

Here is the story in its entirety, by Serge F. Kovaleski and Fredrick Kunkle:

Northern New Jersey Draws Probers' Eyes

Then there is this follow-up from Irfan Khawaja in July 2004:
quote:

In an email to me on Dec. 16, 2003, Kovaleski indicated that his information had come from the Jersey City Police Department, and that he had confirmed the JCPD’s information via interviews of eyewitnesses of the celebration.


I don’t think Trump saw anyone celebrating in Jersey City on television, but I could be wrong about that. In any event, NPR, the New York Times and the Associated Press are simply wrong when they tell their audiences that there is no evidence of Muslims in America celebrating on September 11, and no contemporaneous news stories to that effect...

I think Trump exaggerated when he said that “thousands and thousands” of American Muslims celebrated the 9/11 attacks, but I also think that there were, indeed, some American Muslims who cheered them. If a liberal wants to say, “Well, sure, there were some who celebrated the attacks, but there weren’t very many, so it’s OK,” fine. They can make that argument. (The obvious next question would be, how many were there?) But the hysterical and unqualified denunciations of Trump by the liberal media are far more misleading than his original statements were.


but that said---as to the title of the op---who says anyone is actually believing him on this? id be hard pressed to believe that anyone is actually believing there were "thousands" in jersey city.

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 4:29:07 AM   
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Northern New Jersey Draws Probers' Eyes ????????
There is no mention of parties, celebrations, or tailgates in the whole article.
It is about a muslim population in NJ being suspects., Nothing more.




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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 4:38:56 AM   
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The statistics, purported to be gathered by a Crime Statistics Bureau in San Francisco this year, appear to be fabricated. The Crime Statistics Bureau cited in Trump's tweet does not exist. The FBI, which does gather official crime statistics for the U.S., has not yet released them for this year.

Last year's FBI statistics show that the numbers in Trump's tweet are incorrect and appear to be aimed at perpetuating racist myths about black people and crime.

In 2014, about 82 percent of murders involving white victims were committed by other white people, while only 14 percent were committed by black people, according to the FBI.

Among murders involving black victims, just under 90 percent were committed by other black people, while 7 percent were committed by white people.

Crime experts have concluded that homicides are most likely to occur among people of the same race because people are usually murdered by someone they already know, and most people primarily know people of their own race.

Trump's anti-immigrant and racist rhetoric is a hallmark of his presidential campaign and has incited racism from his supporters. At a Trump rally in Birmingham, Alabama, on Saturday, some of his supporters kicked and punched a Black Lives Matter protester, with Trump reportedly yelling: "Get him the hell out of here!"

Trump subsequently defended the incident, calling the protester "a very obnoxious guy who was a troublemaker and he was looking to make trouble."

"Maybe he should have been roughed up," he said on Sunday.



The guy is scum

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 6:43:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yada yada yada....racist bigot homophobe......blah blah blah

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 6:50:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		10% of Muslims in Moderate Malaysia supports ISIS. This stats comes from the Malaysian government, who is figuring how to tackle and prevent their own people from joining ISIS.

So if only thousands out of millions of muslims in America cheered for 9/11, then that isn't so unrealistic.

Trump seems accurate.


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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 7:23:32 AM   
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Yada yada yada....racist bigot homophobe......blah blah blah

How odd that identifying someone as a racist bigot homophobe doesn't cause you to question his judgement. Perhaps you feel that these are good judgements to make.

I would hate to have someone who makes such bad judgements about people that he can't see past his own bigotry and prejudice making decisions for the nation. I don't see the merit of having someone like that with their finger on the nuclear button. That's the last place any one sane would put someone with bad judgement skills.

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 8:08:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Trump may be this or that and likely fits the bill on many counts but he's just trying everything to get elected. Nothing new there, especially in the US lately, say 30-40 years or maybe ever since Nixon's 'southern strategy.'

It is very possible for many objective observers...to observe, this is how low the election process has sunk and...not just here.

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 8:15:01 AM   
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Yada yada yada....racist bigot homophobe......blah blah blah

no
simply scum.. to give him any other name is to insult whatever I was going to insult, he is the gaping arsehole of hate, and look at all the violent ignorant,stupid dumb dolts that lap it up like he is some kind of saviour.


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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 8:55:49 AM   
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Trump may be this or that and likely fits the bill on many counts but he's just trying everything to get elected. Nothing new there, especially in the US lately, say 30-40 years or maybe ever since Nixon's 'southern strategy.'

It is very possible for many objective observers...to observe, this is how low the election process has sunk and...not just here.

what does that say about American voters???

My gawd, that there are people that kiss the ground he walks on is just disgusting..

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 9:40:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Yada yada yada....racist bigot homophobe......blah blah blah

How odd that identifying someone as a racist bigot homophobe doesn't cause you to question his judgement. Perhaps you feel that these are good judgements to make.

I would hate to have someone who makes such bad judgements about people that he can't see past his own bigotry and prejudice making decisions for the nation. I don't see the merit of having someone like that with their finger on the nuclear button. That's the last place any one sane would put someone with bad judgement skills.


Tune up your sarcasm meter. Racist bigot and homophobe are the typical liberal buzz words for smearing their opponents.

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 9:44:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is not a smear when its true. The smears of the nutsuckers are not at all unknown in their every post.

But they are always laughed at, being that the nutsuckers are so inept and delusional.

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 9:45:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Yada yada yada....racist bigot homophobe......blah blah blah

no
simply scum.. to give him any other name is to insult whatever I was going to insult, he is the gaping arsehole of hate, and look at all the violent ignorant,stupid dumb dolts that lap it up like he is some kind of saviour.



Ewwww.,..........such vitriol coming from you must mean he's doing something right.

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 10:32:31 AM   
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It is not a smear when its true. The smears of the nutsuckers are not at all unknown in their every post.

But they are always laughed at, being that the nutsuckers are so inept and delusional.



Bewayah the suckas-o-nuts, it's weally weally twue

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 11:13:40 AM   
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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 11:36:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Yada yada yada....racist bigot homophobe......blah blah blah

no
simply scum.. to give him any other name is to insult whatever I was going to insult, he is the gaping arsehole of hate, and look at all the violent ignorant,stupid dumb dolts that lap it up like he is some kind of saviour.



Ewwww.,..........such vitriol coming from you must mean he's doing something right.

Yes , he certainly is.

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RE: WTF? People actually believe this asshole? - 11/23/2015 12:07:58 PM   
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Trump seems accurate.

Then again . . .



This appears to be another case of Trump’s overactive imagination, much like his baseless claim that the George W. Bush White House tried to “silence” his Iraq war opposition in 2003. We looked and looked — and could find absolutely no evidence to support his claim.

But that was merely a matter of self-aggrandizement, whereas now Trump has defamed the Muslim communities of New Jersey. He cannot simply assert something so damning; he must provide some real evidence or else issue an apology.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_factchecker10p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

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