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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/6/2015 8:32:45 AM   
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But in my experience, when a man is "really into" a Lady ... he will strive to please Her anyway he can. He doesn't really need a chastity device, as he loves the "mental" bondage, too.


That was a helpful insight that many "subs" don't get. It isn't just with chastity, it's with other external reinforcements of a physical nature.
I'm not talking about the accoutrements of play. Chastity "slaves" don't consider this play and neither do their Keyholder Mistresses, even when the arrangement is a *business* one where Keyholder becomes D/s taskmaster and gets compensated in some form or another.

Take a collar for instance, a ritualized symbol of ownership. Unlike the exchanging of wedding rings, though, neither a collar or a cockcage represents a reciprocal commitment in and of itself.

I do take collaring seriously, however, I surely wouldn't insist that my sub venture out in public and go to work daily wearing one.
We would have a discreet symbol of ownership and of our mutual commitment to one another in a piece of jewelry (necklace chain, bracelet, ring), whatever would be more practical for him to wear around the clock (and for me also, I might add, as lovers).

It is this fixation with requiring physical reinforcement of submission that I take exception to within my own dynamic (what works for others is none of my concern).
I don't do play partners, nor do I take on multiple subs, and like AmoraMora, I expect a full-fledged, total and complete relationship with my primary partner.
I don't do halfway and half-arsed intimate relations, and I certainly wouldn't want a sub who constantly struggles with maintaining his level of submission to his Mistress.

This is also why a corporal punishment dynamic doesn't work for me either outside of play.
Any sub or slave who expresses a desire to be beaten when he misbehaves or displeases his Mistress is already setting himself up to fail.
They usually say something along the lines of their willingness to get beaten into submission systematically so they won't commit the transgression again, and it reeks of "do-me" sub fantasy kink no matter how serious the undertaking appears to be on the surface.

Face it, if a man wants to masturbate or seeks physical release, he'll find a way to do it, cockcage or no cockcage.
Very often, I hear of male chastity slaves who figure that they'll take whatever discipline (punishment) gets meted out, the consequences of "cheating" be damned.

This is at cross-purposes with the natural desire a submissive should have to submit himself to Mental Domination, which I consider to be KEY within any D/s relationship dynamic. Without it, you have nothing more than Top/bottom play with the illusion of D/s thrown into the mix.


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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/6/2015 9:25:37 AM   
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But in my experience, when a man is "really into" a Lady ... he will strive to please Her anyway he can. He doesn't really need a chastity device, as he loves the "mental" bondage, too.




We would have a discreet symbol of ownership and of our mutual commitment to one another in a piece of jewelry (necklace chain, bracelet, ring), whatever would be more practical for him to wear around the clock (and for me also, I might add, as lovers).

It is this fixation with requiring physical reinforcement of submission that I take exception to within my own dynamic (what works for others is none of my concern).

DreamLady


Indeed!

In my view You nailed it!

The key to the D/s relationship is the mental, emotional and then physical interaction.

myself, i know i naturally submit to a Lady when: we communicate, i respect Her, and begin to care deeply about Her.

Then real bondage begins to take place. Because i am enraptured with Her as a person.

If W/we then become lovers, even in the Fem Dom - sub/slave lifestyle; the "piece of jewelry" is a very nice touch of comfort and security within the relationship.

Thank You Dream Lady ... You said it beautifully!

PS: Dream Lady: enjoyed Your post in it's entirety, just deleted some of it for brevity.





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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/6/2015 3:02:35 PM   
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As a Domme I wasn't always into chastity and I still don't have any real life experience with it. But unlike most commenting here, I actually do like the look of them and as I'm almost never "raring to go" sexually speaking I have no problems with the fact that if I wanted sex I'd have to take the time to unlock him. Whether I'd enjoy the dynamic as much in real life as I do in my head I have no idea. I also have no desire for permanent chastity and don't want to take it as far as many subs seem to, it's just a natural outcropping of my interest in orgasm control. Obviously not for everyone, but I just happen to find them really sexy :)

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/6/2015 5:27:37 PM   
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sometimes i wonder how much some people want to discuss somthing or just give there own personal opoinions.. nothing in life is absolute and everyone is not right or wrong all the time. (even Hitler was thought to have a softer side even as he ordered people to be killed).

sorry for the side bar. I would hope that others would at least acknolwedge that there ar edifferences of opinions on any topic. whith that said, some will find chasity devices of value while others will consider them as needless and a belief a sub/slave should not use one and be able to control himself out of pure respect or obedience to his/her Domme. Considering that most males masturbate frequently and may swear that they will not at the time, perhaps a chastity device might not seem inappropriate for some. As a sub i have found myself committed to my Domme "at the time" but my commitment waivers as the hours and says go by. A cage does provide me the benefit of staying commited to my desire to serve and be contrilled by my Mistress.

Before you attack me all i ask is you keep an open mind and try to understand a chastity cage does have some value and purpose for some of us.

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/6/2015 5:44:16 PM   
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sometimes i wonder how much some people want to discuss somthing or just give there own personal opoinions.. nothing in life is absolute and everyone is not right or wrong all the time. (even Hitler was thought to have a softer side even as he ordered people to be killed).

sorry for the side bar. I would hope that others would at least acknolwedge that there ar edifferences of opinions on any topic. whith that said, some will find chasity devices of value while others will consider them as needless and a belief a sub/slave should not use one and be able to control himself out of pure respect or obedience to his/her Domme. Considering that most males masturbate frequently and may swear that they will not at the time, perhaps a chastity device might not seem inappropriate for some. As a sub i have found myself committed to my Domme "at the time" but my commitment waivers as the hours and says go by. A cage does provide me the benefit of staying commited to my desire to serve and be contrilled by my Mistress.

Before you attack me all i ask is you keep an open mind and try to understand a chastity cage does have some value and purpose for some of us.

I don't mean you any offense. Some of us got on the thread in hopes that there would be discussion. I don't think we were knocking other people's kinks. (Certainly wasn't my intention.) Sometimes, people just talking, giving their perspective, will stimulate a discussion so more people will join in, or give links, or even just keep a good topic going. Something doesn't have to hit high on my kink'o'meter for it not to be valuable to other people. There aren't exactly a ton of posters these days, so any input that adds something, is input.

Even this post talking to you is keeping a good thread going. Might keep it closer to the top of the page, rather than some of the crap threads. Isn't that also value?



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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/6/2015 8:17:08 PM   
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sometimes i wonder how much some people want to discuss somthing or just give there own personal opoinions..
. . .
Before you attack me all i ask is you keep an open mind and try to understand a chastity cage does have some value and purpose for some of us.

There isn't a poster on here who has attacked you, and I'm perplexed as to why others' comments would make you feel defensive.

Discussing a matter and giving personal opinions goes hand in hand. The OP stated he was interested in "Mistresses' views" as well as those of subs who may or may not be into using chastity devices. Such a discussion could hardly be explored without expressing one's opinions and touching upon personal experiences as subjective realities.

Not only that, OP doesn't understand why the necessity and the very title of this thread invites others to "help [him] understand, please." Some of us have indicated that we see no necessity, that we don't require it and don't want to go down this road, and that this is an individual choice which is often sub-generated rather than FemDom-generated.

Btw, the fact that I am not personally interested in a sub who has a chastity device mindset does not mean that others cannot do what the hell they like with their bodies. The private matter of my not wanting to entertain the notion of becoming some sort of Keyholder Mistress is my choice.

I will, however, also add that In My Opinion, having the daily or near-daily focus on the state of a man's dick locked in a cage is far too cockcentric for my own comfort, and I hadn't intended to go there. But there it is.


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Edit - missing word

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/7/2015 2:29:45 PM   
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Unless there is a piercing involved or a belt and leg straps (like a jock strap), no chastity device is secure enough to prevent pulling out your cock. Think of them as a toy rather than a tool, a reminder that someone else has control of your cock. It's supposed to be fun.

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/7/2015 3:16:31 PM   
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Be realistic. Most men, given the chance, will eventually masturbate.


Not sure which that's heavier on, cynicism or sexism.

If your statement is true, then "most men" would make shitty subs.


I don't think it's either sexist or cynical. Most men masturbate, and men tend to masturbate more than women. The fact that someone, given the chance, will masturbate doesn't, to me at least, indicate the type of sub they'd be.

I often notice in the threads here that there's a lot of fantasy-land expectations about sub-domme relations. (There's also a lot of fantasy-land self-promotions: "Oh, I would NEVER do that; see what a great subbie I am.") In fact, it's funny how many threads are really these fantasy-land self-promotions, earnestly asking, "Would a real sub do XX?" as an excuse for saying, "I am a real sub because I would never do XX."

But most dommes I know would roll their eyes at such claims, because they live in the real world. I am not sure how many subs would be able to consistently do self-chastity, but my guess is most of them would cheat.

Just because someone is a sub, doesn't mean they stop being a human being.


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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/7/2015 3:35:59 PM   
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FR . . .
The idea of a cock cage is pretty appealing. For me the reality was not so great. There is this thing between your legs that tends to keep the testes always in the wrong position. As a desk jockey it just didn't work for me during the day. At night . . . no they do not prevent erections. What it did on me (cb2000 I think) was yank the balls up painfully several times a night making a good nights sleep impossible. Yeah this might be OK for a weekend of play but when it impacts on the job performance it is not acceptable to me or the ladies I have been with. I could not imagine hitting the gym with one on either. At the time I was not working out but now that I am there is no way this would work in the classes I attend. Burpees might be OK but mountain climbers or bicycle crunches would be impossible.

Some may LOVE to have them on for an extended time but I would rather abide by my ladies wishes as to when I may cum, and if she wants there is always a satin ribbon to Tie up the wedding vegetables with to cause discomfort that can be removed easily if the situation deems it necessary.



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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/7/2015 3:41:30 PM   
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Be realistic. Most men, given the chance, will eventually masturbate.


Not sure which that's heavier on, cynicism or sexism.

If your statement is true, then "most men" would make shitty subs.


I don't think it's either sexist or cynical. Most men masturbate, and men tend to masturbate more than women. The fact that someone, given the chance, will masturbate doesn't, to me at least, indicate the type of sub they'd be.

I often notice in the threads here that there's a lot of fantasy-land expectations about sub-domme relations. (There's also a lot of fantasy-land self-promotions: "Oh, I would NEVER do that; see what a great subbie I am.") In fact, it's funny how many threads are really these fantasy-land self-promotions, earnestly asking, "Would a real sub do XX?" as an excuse for saying, "I am a real sub because I would never do XX."

But most dommes I know would roll their eyes at such claims, because they live in the real world. I am not sure how many subs would be able to consistently do self-chastity, but my guess is most of them would cheat.

Just because someone is a sub, doesn't mean they stop being a human being.



Cheating will happen. Voluntarily or involuntarily. Yes even in my late 40s wet dreams happen, especially if the tease denial edging has gone on for several weeks. Sometimes edging goes too far, mistakes happen and other times its just " fuck it I just gotta". Report it to Mistress so she can take appropriate action. Its all fun and games. :-)


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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/7/2015 6:51:39 PM   
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there seems to be a several opinions about the use and wear of chastity devices. yes most will allow access to the cock and escape is possible, that is why there is a numbered plasti lock/seal that can be used to to prove it has not been removed and replaces. the fitting of any such device is a matter of trial and error (lots of errors). the best types in my opinion are metal material. the ring must be tight enough (but not so tight as to cut off ccirculation) and the cage being attached must not have too much of an opening, so as to prohibit any withdrawal. if the numbered plastic seals are used it is really difficult to access the cock for any personal pleasure. Yes some males will never be able to wear a most cages and irritation is always a problem. but i have been able to wear one for almost two months and for extended periods of a week or more without significant problems. as the saying goes milage will vary.

alal this does not address the why question that started the thread. it would be helpful to hear from Mistress's for their take on it. subs probably have a different opinion to offer. it would be interesting for discussion.

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/8/2015 2:53:45 AM   
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Unless there is a piercing involved or a belt and leg straps (like a jock strap), no chastity device is secure enough to prevent pulling out your cock. Think of them as a toy rather than a tool, a reminder that someone else has control of your cock. It's supposed to be fun.



NeoSteel did a pretty good one, very expensive but it was basically made especially for the wearer, you basically got a kit first to make a mould and they then worked from that, if I remember rightly

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/8/2015 3:44:17 AM   
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Most men, given the chance, will eventually masturbate.


If your statement is true, then "most men" would make shitty subs.


Given that "most men" are not subs, the statement seems perfectly valid to me.

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/8/2015 10:42:42 PM   
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She wasn't saying that at all...


Always fun when someone shows off their psychic abilities.

Do me next. What number am I thinking of?

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/8/2015 10:47:53 PM   
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sometimes i wonder how much some people want to discuss somthing or just give there own personal opoinions.


* I asked for personal opinions in the OP.
* This thread is filled with stuff like that.
* Almost nobody has phrased things in a "my way is the right way" stance -- which seems to be somewhat a rarity in the lifestyle

So I'm honestly not sure why you're drawing a distinction in this thread.

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/8/2015 10:51:11 PM   
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I often notice in the threads here that there's a lot of fantasy-land expectations about sub-domme relations.


So if it doesn't follow your experience, it must be "fantasy-land".

Gotcha.

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RE: chastity devices - help me understand, please - 12/8/2015 11:25:14 PM   
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allo. My two cents.
I enjoy chastity and I hate it too.
Ok to clarify, I dont use chastity on myself, but I have on my ex sub and a few others.
Im using my experience and issues only.
Metal is impossible if you have to fly, go thru metal scanners more than once in a day have an active job, sleep on your stomach, medical issues and if you have retiring or tight balls.
Plastic can chafe, be too hard to sleep on, itch, put a lot of pressure on the balls and bladder and hurt.
Silicone eg birdlocked, while can be boiled for cleaning, there arent enough gaps for air flow and that makes a flaccid damp pallid dick most unappetising. It is more comfortable than the metal and plastic, but if you get any chafing or tugging, pulling against the skin it can become infected really quickly.

I enjoyed being in control of his orgasms. I enjoyed the torment, the teasing, the begging, the tears, the groans, but...I also happen to like over stimulation, edging, and fucking far to much to use it as a long term "tool" It may sound cock-centric, but it doesnt feel that way, not for me. I would never accept someone who actively tried to escape. Unless challenged by me to do so.
I find the number of days and the amount of teasing that goes on to be definitely in my "favour" he did become more submissive more in tune with what pleased me.
As we were not together 24/7 /365, it is different for people who have it as a dynamic in their every day D/s.
The big thing for me is that I have to have an emotional aspect alive and kicking.
I expect, in time, should I take another submissive or "BDSM play partner", there will have to have that aspect to even consider chastity.
just my thoughts right now.
I reserve the right to change them should I find myself in a different position:)





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