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Greta75 -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 6:52:09 PM)

If they were really white supremist, I hope they are punished to the hardest extent of the law.

But if it was something else, and incitement, and any other reasons, or accidental shootings, then, that's another thing.

Should be dealt with fairly.

The whole point is, Christian Terrorists, Muslim Terrorists, White Extremist, Black Extremist, and if they kill as a result of their beliefs, I want them all punished equally and as heavily as each other, that such nonsense should not be tolerated at all.




BamaD -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 7:02:13 PM)

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If they were really white supremist, I hope they are punished to the hardest extent of the law.

But if it was something else, and incitement, and any other reasons, or accidental shootings, then, that's another thing.

Should be dealt with fairly.

The whole point is, Christian Terrorists, Muslim Terrorists, White Extremist, Black Extremist, and if they kill as a result of their beliefs, I want them all punished equally and as heavily as each other, that such nonsense should not be tolerated at all.

I never said that they were White Extremists, that they were not totally responsible or that they shouldn't pay the same penalty as anyone else. I just said that so far we are basing our judgements on rotten reporting.




BamaD -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 7:21:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

What's our source for saying the shooters were "herded"?

Please note that, according to the Huffinton Post article, the head of security at the event said they were trying to leave and were followed by about a dozen people from BLM. But they don't say what started the violence. Hopefully the next article out will fill out the gaps.




Lucylastic -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 7:21:53 PM)

One arrested ,two turned themselves in
according to this



MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Protesters demanding justice for a black man fatally shot by Minneapolis police were settling in for their ninth night of demonstrations when something just didn't seem right.

Lingering in the crowd were four people who seemed out of place. They were asked to leave. Moments later, shots rang out about a block away.

"I really did think it was like firecrackers or something initially because it was so loud and there was like this acrid smell," protester Jie Wronski-Riley said. "I thought, 'Surely, they are not shooting at us.'"

Then Wronski-Riley heard the cries of wounded people on the ground. "I really understood the danger we were in and what had happened."

Police say five people were shot in the attack, which unfolded late Monday near a police precinct where dozens of protesters have been camped out since the Nov. 15 fatal shooting of Jamar Clark. None suffered life-threatening wounds.

Authorities arrested a 23-year-old white man, who remained in custody Tuesday evening, and a 32-year-old Hispanic man, who was later released. Two more men — both white, ages 26 and 21 — turned themselves in Tuesday afternoon.

According to police, Clark was shot after he struggled with officers. But some people who said they saw the shooting said the 24-year-old was handcuffed.

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said it will be up to a grand jury to decide whether to bring charges against officers in Clark's death.

Freeman issued a statement Tuesday after repeated requests by black activist groups to make the decision himself rather than go to a grand jury. Protesters have complained that grand juries are unlikely to indict police officers.


ASSOCIATED PRESS
After marching from the Fourth Precinct police station in north Minneapolis, the site of constant protests since Clark was shot, to Minneapolis City Hall downtown, several hundred people gathered outside the station Tuesday night for a concert. The diverse crowd, which included a number of children, listened to hip-hop music and soul classics such as "A Change Is Gonna Come."

"We ain't scared. We can't back down. We ain't turning around, but we're here fighting for justice," Minneapolis NAACP President Nekima Levy-Pounds told the crowd.

At least one member of Clark's family asked Tuesday for the protests to end. But demonstrators said they would not be intimidated or "bow to fear."

It was not immediately clear who was behind the attack, but several racially disparaging comments had been posted on social media in recent days. One video showed a white man brandishing a gun while claiming to be on his way to the protests. Police issued a warning Friday night, asking demonstrators to be vigilant and report any suspicious behavior to authorities.

The protesters had a safety plan, and security team members had been asking people who looked like troublemakers to leave.

Fourteen people whom protesters believed to be white supremacists were kicked out of the area one night, said Mica Grimm, an organizer of Black Lives Matter Minneapolis. She said they came in with their faces covered and filmed the crowd but would not talk to people. Some made racist comments.

Grimm said protesters had been threatened by one group online and had been working with hackers to figure out the group's plans. On one night, Grimm said, online chatter included a post stating that a pie had been left at the protest site with rat poison.

"We made sure that all the pies were thrown out, and actually other food was thrown out for fear of contamination," she said.

Grimm said concerns were brought up to police, but protesters felt the threats were not being taken seriously.




ASSOCIATED PRESS
The situation escalated Monday night when members of the protesters' security team approached three men and one woman who were standing under a "Justice4Jamar" sign and asked what they were doing.

"We're here for Jamar," one said, according to Henry Habu, who had been providing security for the demonstrators.

Habu said he and others tried to escort the four away from the protest and they took off running. He and others said at least three members of the group were wearing masks that covered the lower half of their faces.

Alexander Dewan Apprentice Clark, who said he chased the attackers, said one of the men fell and when Clark helped him up, he felt what he believed to be a bulletproof vest under the man's clothing.

Wronski-Riley, who is also on the security team, said most of the crowd stopped following the men about midway up the street, but a few protesters gave chase. Wronski-Riley and a friend followed to make sure everyone came back safe. After running about another half block, the suspects started shooting.

"It was so busy and chaotic," Wronski-Riley said.

One wounded man had been shot in the back of the leg and was crawling in the street, Wronski-Riley said. Another, who had been shot in the arm, was yelling that his limb was numb and he needed help.

Some protesters criticized the police response time and said officers arrived in full riot gear. Officers aggressively pushed back on the crowd, Wronski-Riley said, at one point using a chemical irritant to keep people back.

"They can't kill the sense of community that I'm building," Wronski-Riley said. "And they can't stop us from making sure that black lives do matter."

Police did not answer questions about their response to the shootings or about their response to prior reports of suspicious behavior.

Wesley Martin was among those shot. A day later, he was back at the scene, walking with a cane after being hit in the left leg and treated at a hospital.

He said his 19-year-old brother, Tevin, was wounded in the stomach and was in intensive care but was expected to recover.

Asked why he came back after being shot, Martin said: "Bullets aren't going to stop me from supporting what I want to do anyway."





Lucylastic -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 7:25:34 PM)

oh and a video too
Two videos of masked men are generating new attention after five activists associated with the Black Lives Matter movement were shot on Monday night by assailants who reportedly fit a similar description as the men in the videos.

Minneapolis police on Tuesday arrested a white man and a Hispanic man who are suspected of being involved in the shooting. Authorities are still looking for additional suspects.

It is not clear if there is any connection between the men in the videos and the suspects who have been arrested. It is also not clear if there is any connection between the men in the video and those who visited the movement's encampment on Thursday night. The descriptions of the men in each cases, however, are very similar.

Oleuchi Omeoga, a protester who witnessed the shooting on Monday, told the Associated Press that the perpetrators of the crime were three masked men. She said the men “weren’t supposed to be” at the encampment, where activists have been protesting the death of 24-year-old Jamar Clark, a black man shot in the head by police on Nov. 15.

After the masked men left the encampment, several protesters followed them to a street corner. The men in masks then fired, according to Omeoga. None of the victims sustained life-threatening injuries.

Black Lives Matter Minneapolis posted a 90-second video to its Facebook page on Friday of two masked young white men spewing racial epithets in a car, apparently on their way to the Black Lives Matter protest encampment. The organization said in an e-mail that supporters sent them the video, but did not provide additional information about its origins.

In the Facebook post, Black Lives Matter activists wrote that they recognized the men in the video as those who had visited the encampment the night before.

“Last night 2 white supremacists, one carrying a pistol, showed up to our peaceful protest at the 4th precinct,” the post said. “After community members on livestream started questioning them they left without incident, then we later found a video of them en route to the protest brandishing a pistol and making comments including ‘stay white’ and justifying the killing of Jamar Clark.”

The message encouraged supporters to appear at the encampment to help ensure security and defy the white supremacists' intimidation.

“In the era of white supremacist terrorism against people of color across the U.S., we refuse to be intimidated by hate groups,” the post continued. “We call on our supporters to join us tonight to continue to demand #Justice4Jamar and an end to violence against our community, whether by white supremacist citizens, or white supremacist Police like MPD union president Bob Kroll.”

Minneapolis Police Department spokesman Scott Seroka said the police are "aware" of this video, but would not offer additional comment.

Note: The video and the description below contain language that may be offensive to some readers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-lives-matter-minneapolis-armed-white-men-video_565481a0e4b0d4093a59289b




CreativeDominant -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 7:47:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

What's our source for saying the shooters were "herded"?

Here's one...not exactly conservative...source

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/white-supremacists-shoot-5-black-lives-matter-activists-protesting-jamar-clarks-killing-in-minneapolis/

“When about a dozen protesters attempted to herd the group away from the area, Noor said, they “opened fire on about six protesters,” hitting five of them. Jaehnert said she heard four gunshots.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/video-proof-5-black-lives-matter-protesters-shot-after-repeatedly-beating-white-videographers/




BamaD -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 7:49:03 PM)


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oh and a video too
Two videos of masked men are generating new attention after five activists associated with the Black Lives Matter movement were shot on Monday night by assailants who reportedly fit a similar description as the men in the videos.

Minneapolis police on Tuesday arrested a white man and a Hispanic man who are suspected of being involved in the shooting. Authorities are still looking for additional suspects.

It is not clear if there is any connection between the men in the videos and the suspects who have been arrested. It is also not clear if there is any connection between the men in the video and those who visited the movement's encampment on Thursday night. The descriptions of the men in each cases, however, are very similar.

Oleuchi Omeoga, a protester who witnessed the shooting on Monday, told the Associated Press that the perpetrators of the crime were three masked men. She said the men “weren’t supposed to be” at the encampment, where activists have been protesting the death of 24-year-old Jamar Clark, a black man shot in the head by police on Nov. 15.

After the masked men left the encampment, several protesters followed them to a street corner. The men in masks then fired, according to Omeoga. None of the victims sustained life-threatening injuries.

Black Lives Matter Minneapolis posted a 90-second video to its Facebook page on Friday of two masked young white men spewing racial epithets in a car, apparently on their way to the Black Lives Matter protest encampment. The organization said in an e-mail that supporters sent them the video, but did not provide additional information about its origins.

In the Facebook post, Black Lives Matter activists wrote that they recognized the men in the video as those who had visited the encampment the night before.

“Last night 2 white supremacists, one carrying a pistol, showed up to our peaceful protest at the 4th precinct,” the post said. “After community members on livestream started questioning them they left without incident, then we later found a video of them en route to the protest brandishing a pistol and making comments including ‘stay white’ and justifying the killing of Jamar Clark.”

The message encouraged supporters to appear at the encampment to help ensure security and defy the white supremacists' intimidation.

“In the era of white supremacist terrorism against people of color across the U.S., we refuse to be intimidated by hate groups,” the post continued. “We call on our supporters to join us tonight to continue to demand #Justice4Jamar and an end to violence against our community, whether by white supremacist citizens, or white supremacist Police like MPD union president Bob Kroll.”

Minneapolis Police Department spokesman Scott Seroka said the police are "aware" of this video, but would not offer additional comment.

Note: The video and the description below contain language that may be offensive to some readers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-lives-matter-minneapolis-armed-white-men-video_565481a0e4b0d4093a59289b

Unfortunately the video doesn't show the incident, it was, according to the story was released before this incident took place.




CreativeDominant -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 7:54:13 PM)

What's amazing to me is that they recognize the men in the car...shouting racial epithets...as being the same, MASKED, men who showed up at the meeting.




BamaD -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 9:07:36 PM)


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What's amazing to me is that they recognize the men in the car...shouting racial epithets...as being the same, MASKED, men who showed up at the meeting.

That is easy, if they aren't the same men then the video is irrelevant, so they must be the same men.




CreativeDominant -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 9:34:05 PM)


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What's amazing to me is that they recognize the men in the car...shouting racial epithets...as being the same, MASKED, men who showed up at the meeting.

That is easy, if they aren't the same men then the video is irrelevant, so they must be the same men.
Ahhh...that explains it. My the way, has anyone checked what permit the BLM protestors were acting under when they moved the...at the time, anyway...peaceful threesome away? What permit they were acting under when they began chasing them?




BamaD -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/24/2015 9:36:47 PM)

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What's amazing to me is that they recognize the men in the car...shouting racial epithets...as being the same, MASKED, men who showed up at the meeting.

That is easy, if they aren't the same men then the video is irrelevant, so they must be the same men.
Ahhh...that explains it. My the way, has anyone checked what permit the BLM protestors were acting under when they moved the...at the time, anyway...peaceful threesome away? What permit they were acting under when they began chasing them?


Who knows?




thishereboi -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/25/2015 2:59:15 AM)


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Aylee they know they are white supremacist because they declare themselves to be...
They shout slogan such white power and other verbal assaults
the wave the nazi and the confederate flag and they shoot people who disagree withthem
I prefer not to educate you on the more vile slogans they shout


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We're you there to hear from their shouts? Has some credible source...other than the activist group encamped there...identified them as such? If you'll read the majority of the articles, what has been stated is that it is a belief that it was white supremacists. No one has stated that such was true. The articles also state that the shooting did NOT start until THREE (3) people in ski masks were HERDED away from the encampment my TWELVE (12) angry protestors who had apparently decided only their voices needed to be heard.






Not only hear them shout he also spotted a nazi flag and a confederate flag that others seem to have missed. At least no one else has mentioned them yet. Maybe he was at a different shooting.

Personally I don't care if they claim to be white supremacists or not, I just hope they are caught and locked up.




Aylee -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/25/2015 7:45:36 AM)


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Aylee they know they are white supremacist because they declare themselves to be...
They shout slogan such white power and other verbal assaults
the wave the nazi and the confederate flag and they shoot people who disagree withthem
I prefer not to educate you on the more vile slogans they shout


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We're you there to hear from their shouts? Has some credible source...other than the activist group encamped there...identified them as such? If you'll read the majority of the articles, what has been stated is that it is a belief that it was white supremacists. No one has stated that such was true. The articles also state that the shooting did NOT start until THREE (3) people in ski masks were HERDED away from the encampment my TWELVE (12) angry protestors who had apparently decided only their voices needed to be heard.






Not only hear them shout he also spotted a nazi flag and a confederate flag that others seem to have missed. At least no one else has mentioned them yet. Maybe he was at a different shooting.

Personally I don't care if they claim to be white supremacists or not, I just hope they are caught and locked up.


Maybe the gang shoot out in New Orleans where 16 were hit, including a ten year old boy?




thompsonx -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/26/2015 6:36:12 PM)

Maybe the gang shoot out in New Orleans where 16 were hit, including a ten year old boy?


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thishereboi -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/27/2015 6:15:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cyrano2u

Aylee they know they are white supremacist because they declare themselves to be...
They shout slogan such white power and other verbal assaults
the wave the nazi and the confederate flag and they shoot people who disagree withthem
I prefer not to educate you on the more vile slogans they shout


'
We're you there to hear from their shouts? Has some credible source...other than the activist group encamped there...identified them as such? If you'll read the majority of the articles, what has been stated is that it is a belief that it was white supremacists. No one has stated that such was true. The articles also state that the shooting did NOT start until THREE (3) people in ski masks were HERDED away from the encampment my TWELVE (12) angry protestors who had apparently decided only their voices needed to be heard.






Not only hear them shout he also spotted a nazi flag and a confederate flag that others seem to have missed. At least no one else has mentioned them yet. Maybe he was at a different shooting.

Personally I don't care if they claim to be white supremacists or not, I just hope they are caught and locked up.


Maybe the gang shoot out in New Orleans where 16 were hit, including a ten year old boy?



I suppose that is possible but if that is it, then why does he think it proves the ones in this incident were? And why no link?

Also, I'm still wondering where the Hispanic fellow came from mentioned in LL's post. Last I checked the white supremacists don't like brown folks and I am having a bit of trouble believing they are including them in their group.




Lucylastic -> RE: White Supremacist shoot five at BLM protest (11/27/2015 8:24:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cyrano2u

Aylee they know they are white supremacist because they declare themselves to be...
They shout slogan such white power and other verbal assaults
the wave the nazi and the confederate flag and they shoot people who disagree withthem
I prefer not to educate you on the more vile slogans they shout


'
We're you there to hear from their shouts? Has some credible source...other than the activist group encamped there...identified them as such? If you'll read the majority of the articles, what has been stated is that it is a belief that it was white supremacists. No one has stated that such was true. The articles also state that the shooting did NOT start until THREE (3) people in ski masks were HERDED away from the encampment my TWELVE (12) angry protestors who had apparently decided only their voices needed to be heard.






Not only hear them shout he also spotted a nazi flag and a confederate flag that others seem to have missed. At least no one else has mentioned them yet. Maybe he was at a different shooting.

Personally I don't care if they claim to be white supremacists or not, I just hope they are caught and locked up.


Maybe the gang shoot out in New Orleans where 16 were hit, including a ten year old boy?



I suppose that is possible but if that is it, then why does he think it proves the ones in this incident were? And why no link?

Also, I'm still wondering where the Hispanic fellow came from mentioned in LL's post. Last I checked the white supremacists don't like brown folks and I am having a bit of trouble believing they are including them in their group.


Did you miss the bit where they arrested him and later let him go???
now would that say to you that he was arrested for questioning, and found NOT to be part of it, or that he is brown so couldnt be a supremacist.




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