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LadyConstanze -> RE: Question for the international members (12/2/2015 3:48:58 PM)

OK, in that case explain why the NHS is putting people on antidepressants when it's actually their vitamin levels they need to look at, you possibly have seen the last few articles on D3 and B12 and the fact that most docs still consider it a fad....

The priorities are wrong, really wrong, if it's not crippling, you're not on the list, a friend of ours had a problem with her ankle, they told her 6 months on the waiting list, she earns well, 6 months she couldn't have done her job (she's a vet) on crutches, she went and had it done privately, was back within a week. Wrong economy, 6 months and she would have been out of work and draining the system, that just costs and adds more costs.

In another thread Freedomdwarf said he gets tooth cleaning, root canals, scaling on the NHS, great, happy that he does, he should do, I live in the postcode area of SK9, a dentist told me that he wants to pull a tooth, I was "WTF? You don't pull a tooth, you keep a tooth! They don't grow back!" He told me that what I pay additionally to the NHS, the root canal isn't really worth his time and risk, pulling is the better option. I left, went to a private dentist, still have my tooth, I do like having a full set of teeth.

There is actually something like a loss of life expectancy the further you go North, so far I haven't signed up for private health care because I think it's a bit wrong to have a 2 class system, but on plenty of occasions paid for it myself. Last time dislocated shoulder, painful, really painful, went to ER got pain killers and the recommendation to see the physio therapist, tried to get appointment with GP - was told in 4 weeks, explained the problem, was told not an emergency 4 weeks and the waiting time for a physio is again 4 weeks. Went to a private physio, he said "Trapped nerve, got to put the shoulder in and out of the socket again, brace yourself" - one scream later still in pain but more bearable, now full movement of the arm. Me being 6 to 8 weeks out of work means I pay a lot less taxes, I possibly lose clients and earn less for the whole year instead of paying into the system... The physio £250, bargain, not even half a day's work, I gladly pay that, on the other hand, the girl working at the local supermarket, she possibly can't pay that, she's off on sick leave, she might lose her job, she will cost the system...

Do you see where I'm coming from? I think Corbyn is the best thing that ever happened, I hate Hunt (somebody should replace the H with a C), the system how it was planned, fucking brilliant, what the cuts have made of it, sod it, far too many things do not work anymore. As I said before, Lupus isn't exactly fun, if you keep getting told that it's just a bit of a skin rash and then you find out that for the rest of your life you have to live on a special diet, and yeah, fuck it, your thyroid is shot too and ha ha, yeah, you can't absorb D3 and B12 and btw all the autoimmune problems have made you gluten sensitive as our tests give more often a false negative than a positive, deal with it... You get a bit upset. Then you do look at the MPs who are all for stripping the NHS and what a surprise, they all have interests or family with interest in private health care...

As for the "you have a cold have a cup of tea and go home" been there, cold didn't go away for 18 months, ended up in the ER in LA turned out devoid of vitamin D, travel insurance didn't pick it up as it was "pre-existing", GP went "Oh but you looked healthy so we wouldn't check for D deficiency", I kept telling him I have problems breathing, can't shake the cough, feel so tired and down, my gums are bleeding, the gums were not his problem to talk to the dentist, who said it's not a hygiene problem, I pointed out that I also break bones about twice a year, his recommendation was to be more careful, for the feeling down I was offered antidepressants (I didn't take them), apparently those are the classic symptoms of vit D deficiency, especially in this area normal due to the rain and lack of sunshine.

Came back from LA with a list from the head of the endocrinolgy department who stressed that autoimmune issues are fairly serious (no shit Sherlock, the body attacking itself) and to keep a close eye on the blood results and a change in thyroid meds, one GP said she disagrees completely I shouldn't be medicated at all (I have 10% of my thyroid left and it's not working right), I went "Top endo at one of the best clinics in the world versus GP in Alderly - hmmmm" She had a shit fit and called him a backstreet practitioner (this is the guy the endo consultant refers to as the godfather of endocrinology), I requested an appointment with the head of practise which was another 8 week wait, he was kinda lukewarm, I said I would like to avoid more autoimmune issues, reply "We worry about that if you have them"

I'm seriously done with the NHS, I wish it would work, I will do whatever it takes to make it work, but I am so not trusting them with my life and health. I think health care is a human right but unless you're very very lucky, they just don't want to deal with problems. I want to work, I am happy to work, I really don't want to sponge of the system, in fact I dislike going to the doctors and only do so if I need to, because unless I'm bleeding from several open wounds, it's all fine and we worry when it gets worse...




Greta75 -> RE: Question for the international members (12/2/2015 6:18:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
You claim to be a girl from singapore but your syntax,lexicon and diction are of an adolescent boy in the usa.

You are so ignorant about Singaporean English culture. We have such diverse English here, depending on people's background. Yes I do sound like an adolescent American boy sometimes, because I grew up hanging around Californian friends in Singapore. And my English education ended at 12 yr old.
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You claim to live there and pay the insurance but you don't know how much???[8|]

I have been paying for my insurance for more than 15 years by giro deductions, the premiums goes up by age group. I don't physically write cheques or monitor it annually, it automatically deducts from my bank account, I periodically look at how much it is currently costing. So yea, I can't give you precise amounts, and am too lazy to look it up.

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We all wonder why you are ignorant of how things work in the country you claim to live in.

It's absolutely incredible that you are actually very ignorant with your impression of Singapore, and yet you think yourself as the expert in where I live.





Greta75 -> RE: Question for the international members (12/2/2015 6:22:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
In my country, it's free and better than Obama care.
Which of course, makes it waay cheaper than any insurance based private system.

Did I mention it was free?? [:)]

It's not free, I pay only 5% income tax, (this is the 30k to 50k per annum bracket). You guys pay exorbitant income tax. So I think you pay more than what we do for medical. It was all costed into your income tax.

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I pay nothing. Zilch. Nada. Fuck all. A big fat zero.

Single bedder ward with no waiting time? Really? Any private surgeons of your choice?




Greta75 -> RE: Question for the international members (12/2/2015 6:24:49 PM)

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here they have a system that if you are arrested and thrown in jail, you need to post bail to get out while waiting for your trial,

I read in a news before a long time ago, that Canada has the best jails in the world. I mean private TV in each cell. People get keys to their own cells, almost like living in a hostel, lots of freedom to roam within the compound.
That's not true?




Lucylastic -> RE: Question for the international members (12/2/2015 6:27:47 PM)

It most certainly isnt




thompsonx -> RE: Question for the international members (12/2/2015 7:47:35 PM)


ORIGINAL: Greta75


I read in a news before a long time ago, that Canada has the best jails in the world. I mean private TV in each cell. People get keys to their own cells, almost like living in a hostel, lots of freedom to roam within the compound.
That's not true?

Like the rest of the mindless drivel you post...no it is not true.




Greta75 -> RE: Question for the international members (12/2/2015 8:24:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Like the rest of the mindless drivel you post...no it is not true.

Well it was in our Straits Times Years ago. Maybe it was just some small area in Canada that did that with their prisons.

I mean, I'm still pretty old school. I read physical papers everyday and I watch TV News, flipping through various news channels I subscribe to.

So not all my sources are from the internet to give links.




thompsonx -> RE: Question for the international members (12/3/2015 6:43:50 AM)

ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
You claim to be a girl from singapore but your syntax,lexicon and diction are of an adolescent boy in the usa.

You are so ignorant about Singaporean English culture.

Well to be fair I have been to singapore and you have only read about it. That does give me a bit of an edge.


We have such diverse English here, depending on people's background. Yes I do sound like an adolescent American boy sometimes, because I grew up hanging around Californian friends in Singapore. And my English education ended at 12 yr old.

I am sure your california friends suckled you and taught you english....[8|]




NorthernGent -> RE: Question for the international members (12/3/2015 12:22:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

The priorities are wrong, really wrong, if it's not crippling, you're not on the list,



What a load of shite.

Your articles and friends don't wash.

Tell you what, I once went to the doctors with a pain in my chest around my heart. Just a precaution on my part as was nothing really.

It was a Friday afternoon and I was going out through the town on the night so thought 5 minutes and gone.

Walked through the door, mentioned my 'problem'. First thing they did was ring for an ambulance to take me to the hospital. Unbeknown to me, any heart related problem no matter how serious is a ticket straight to the hospital no questions asked.

I tried to explain I was going out later and didn't want to go - the doctor told me to stay put.

Ambulance came, taken to the hospital.

Admittedly I was put in the corridor for a couple of hours waiting because people with serious respiratory and heart problems were coming in by the boatload. Like a revolving door. But then what's the problem with me waiting in line while they deal with the more serious cases first?

These lasses working in the hospitals were running 'round like blue-arsed flies trying to help people, and the contrast with an American hospital, which I was to find out later; was stark.

They undertook all sorts of tests on me and eventually wheeled me upstairs and put me in a bed for the night. I was embarrassed as it seemed completely over the top to me and eventually said: "look, I can't stay in here all night" and discharged myself.

Cost? O pounds.

Now, you compare that to the United States and they'd have been stung for an inordinate amount of money.

There are people in the United States who are in huge amounts of debt due to health bills. Not here.

The difference is that the NHS is built upon the foundation that good health is a basic human right. In contrast, the United States health system is built upon the premise that we're in it for money.

I'm not saying I agree that good health is a basic human right, but it's certainly a better foundation from which to build than the US equivalent.

You read accounts of Americans using the NHS and they pretty much all go as follows:

We expected some communist meltdown where pretty much no one gets treated, to our surprise the only details we had to give were name and address - unlike in the US where you fill in a shit load of forms, unexpectedly we were seen immediately unlike in the US. On the downside, we were told when to come in to see the doctor as opposed to making an appointment to suit us - but then where's the problem? if you can wait until it suits then you ain't sick. We got a full and quality service at no cost.

Admittedly, in the US if you have the money then you will get quality care and be seen on time. But, any country can do that. If you pour all of your resources to suit the needs of the few then of course the few are going to get a top notch service. Except, Americans using the NHS say they get just as good a service, without all of the form filling and being stung with a huge bill.

The NHS is one of the very best things about Britain. Lasses working themselves into the ground because they believe in providing care, all underpinned by the principle of health being a basic human right.

The American system is the worst excess of the United States: wasteful, profit orientated and lacking any sort of compassion.






Greta75 -> RE: Question for the international members (12/3/2015 1:51:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Well to be fair I have been to singapore and you have only read about it. That does give me a bit of an edge.

You have been to Singapore ages ago that you are so outdated about it.

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I am sure your california friends suckled you and taught you english....[8|]

Lol, so where do you think I am from? Nigeria?




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