RE: Trump and George W Bush

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

RE: Trump and George W Bush

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Trump and George W Bush

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/5/2015 12:36:13 PM

tj444

Posts: 7574
Joined: 3/7/2010
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

So interestingly, a friend of mine, who spent his college years in the US during George Bush first election against Al Gore. He said a year leading up to it. Bush was ridiculed and made into a clown by all the medias. It was so bad, all the bad press against Bush in favour of Al Gore.

His convinced Trump is gonna be President, because history is repeating itself. Whatever Trump is facing right now was exactly what Bush faced prior to winning it.

What do ya all think?

History repeating itself???

oh, if it does/Trump becomes Prez, I am sure history will repeat.. remember, George W invaded Iraq illegally (which is in great part why IS terrorists now exist) and he was in power when the US & world went into the worst recession/depression since the 30's... so what kinda wars will Trump start? and what kinda economic debacle will he be responsible for?

Oh, and once a clown, always a clown.. even if they become Prez..

_____________________________

As Anderson Cooper said “If he (Trump) took a dump on his desk, you would defend it”

(in reply to Greta75)

Post #: 21

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/5/2015 1:43:16 PM

kdsub

Posts: 12180
Joined: 8/16/2007
Status: offline

It seems to me the Republicans can only find fanatics to run and the Democrats are using name recognition and the novelty of a woman rather than substance. I find it hard to believe that the group running is the best we can come up with.

Butch

_____________________________

Mark Twain:

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing

(in reply to joether)

Post #: 22

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/5/2015 2:03:51 PM

JVoV

Posts: 3672
Joined: 3/9/2015
Status: offline

The only history repeating itself is a Clinton White House.

(in reply to kdsub)

Post #: 23

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/5/2015 2:06:58 PM

kdsub

Posts: 12180
Joined: 8/16/2007
Status: offline

Bush and Clinton...Bush and Clinton... and crazy people... they may be good capable people but i wish i had a different group based on experience and substance to choose from.

Butch

_____________________________

Mark Twain:

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing

(in reply to JVoV)

Post #: 24

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/5/2015 4:23:47 PM

Greta75

Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline

quote:

As for the doctorate of your friend, one of the stupidest people I ever met had a doctorate.
I was speaking to her once and said that something was a mineral and she literally asked me what a mineral was.

Well, his doctorate is in biotechnology, so he definitely knows what a mineral is. It's funny you brought this up, because he mentioned to me, what is this distilled water that Singapore sells everywhere. He said if it was true and genuine distilled water with zero minerals in it, our livers will be fucked. I didn't know that! I actually buy that stuffs and drink it often, but he says there must be traces of minerals in it, or else, people will literally die drinking it.

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 12/5/2015 4:28:15 PM >

(in reply to Hillwilliam)

Post #: 25

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/5/2015 4:53:54 PM

thishereboi

Posts: 14463
Joined: 6/19/2008
Status: offline

I don't think he has a chance but that may just be wishful thinking.

_____________________________

"Sweetie, you're wasting your gum" .. Albert

This here is the boi formerly known as orfunboi

(in reply to Greta75)

Post #: 26

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/5/2015 5:08:19 PM

thompsonx

Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Well, his doctorate is in biotechnology, so he definitely knows what a mineral is. It's funny you brought this up, because he mentioned to me, what is this distilled water that Singapore sells everywhere. He said if it was true and genuine distilled water with zero minerals in it, our livers will be fucked. I didn't know that! I actually buy that stuffs and drink it often, but he says there must be traces of minerals in it, or else, people will literally die drinking it.

Obviously your "friend" graduated" magna cum fool from the university of dumb ass.
It would appear that your "friend", like you, only opens his mouth to change feet.

(in reply to Greta75)

Post #: 27

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/5/2015 11:20:47 PM

MrRodgers

Posts: 10542
Joined: 7/30/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
...
Mr. Trump is nominated, whomever is the DNC pick will have an easier time getting elected. It will not be hard to convince moderates to vote for someone sensible, practical, and professional.
...

Because Clinton is "sensible, practical, and professional"?

Come on Joether, even someone of your purported intelligence knows Clinton (and Trump) will further ruin this country.

But it is an interesting point. Imagine the undecided and the independents going to the voting booth and it's either Hillary or Trump.

Emails and Benghazi will be small potatoes by then.

Imagine instead if it was say John Kacish Gov. (R) Ohio versus Mark Warner senator (D) from Va. a real horse race and I know, much because they wouldn't be all that far apart. Similar to Clinton and Bush I. Clinton's various cunt hunts...notwithstanding. And because I still maintain that Bush I lost because of Perot just like Gore lost because of Nadar. Without Nadar, Gore wins Florida flat out.

Oh and Clinton would be little different than her husband, more center than left. She's visited with the CFR many times and is now a certifiable tool. Gitmo will remain, the drones will continue unabated. taxes will still fail to cover the federal trough, the 'war on terror' will still continue to be the gift that keeps on giving.

< Message edited by MrRodgers -- 12/5/2015 11:29:02 PM >

_____________________________

You can be a murderous tyrant and the world will remember you fondly but fuck one horse and you will be a horse fucker for all eternity. Catherine the Great

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
J K Galbraith

(in reply to ifmaz)

Post #: 28

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/6/2015 1:08:43 AM

KenDckey

Posts: 4121
Joined: 5/31/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

If Mr. Trump becomes President, then hopefully Putin will give us a mercy nuking! The statements Mr. Trump routinely makes are about as presidential as Ann Coulter speaks on having good lesbian sex! It will show this nation is full of more hateful and bigoted individuals than good people.

Mr. Trump is nominated, whomever is the DNC pick will have an easier time getting elected. It will not be hard to convince moderates to vote for someone sensible, practical, and professional. You can trust the DNC has plenty of dirt on Mr. Trump with which to explain what his presidency would be like. We can always start on his marriages. Move on to how well he handles other people's money. After that, his foreign policy experience. Yeah, the guy has many problems. Without having to bring up that he wants to butcher anyone related to a Muslim bomber (i.e. actual innocent people whom are horrified by events).

Also as predictable is the conservative media will place Mr. Trump in the best possible light and the DNC nomination in the worst. Facts, evidence, and figures will go out the window. Supporters, living in a delusional world that the 'Ends Justify The Means' will try anything to attack and discredit Democrats. We've watched this in the last two elections. It will be curious how they 'massage' the details of Benghazi given the facts. Or try to play up that a Nazi is some how better for a nation of free individuals. On these boards, we'll have plenty of conservatives and libertarians trying to give their all....."for the cause!". And be smacked down with the facts and evidence.

Will be fun....

So you are in favor of a Nuclear War with Russia? Not saying Trump will win, just asking based upon your words.

(in reply to joether)

Post #: 29

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/6/2015 2:38:04 AM

joether

Posts: 5195
Joined: 7/24/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
...
Mr. Trump is nominated, whomever is the DNC pick will have an easier time getting elected. It will not be hard to convince moderates to vote for someone sensible, practical, and professional.
...

Because Clinton is "sensible, practical, and professional"?

She took on 11 hours of the Republican's best bullshit during a Benghazi hearing. How many of the Republicans could handle such a grilling? Maybe Mr. Jeb Bush.....

She's taken on everything the Republicans have thrown in her direction since 1992! That's twenty-seven years on the political battlefield. That's not a veteran 'soldier', that's a living legend! She has many qualities that conservatives are jealous and afraid of. She's intelligent, educated, experienced, and makes Putin nervous to fuck with America!

quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz
Come on Joether, even someone of your purported intelligence knows Clinton (and Trump) will further ruin this country.

If I was able to see clearly of the future, I would be a very rich individual right now. Not only that, but helping scientists to discover cures for illnesses, and helping educators to find better ways to help children learn more complex stuff. Notice I do not have this power "See into the future with perfect sight"?

So I have to go with evidence on the table. This would be their histories. Their education, experiences, and how they handled situations. Objectively. Its easy to demonize the person I dislike (Mr. Trump), while piling on the good stuff (Mrs. Clinton). But objectively means to study these individuals on several levels. Not just their personalities. But what they claim they can deliver and the process by which that claim will be executed. How much it will cost us. How long it will take. What sort of resources have to be tapped to completion.

Mr. Trump started off rather comical and it has since gotten darker and darker as time as progressed. How he treats those around him have gone from professional (e.g. The Apprentice) to tyrannical (advocating killing innocent people if their relative attacks Americans in a terrorist shooting/bombing). In some instances, there affords the 'benefit of doubt', to which someone could walk back their words. They misspoke on something, or something sounded great on paper but crap when executed. Every candidate states shit that they later regret (e.g. Sen. Obama and 57 states).

But stating things in such a way as there is no logical or reasonable way to 'walk the words back' has to be judged carefully. His attitude, outlook, and language tell me he is not only a bad fit for the White House, but someone this nation should....NEVER....allow to have power. He behaves like a Nazi, and the word 'Nazi' brings people to stop and study. The hope is that others (like those voting in the GOP nomination) seriously study this and all the other candidates carefully is my desire. Notice I want more Americans to vote. I just do not want them voting for someone that promises good while delivering evil. I gave this guy the benefit of doubt. Upon his latest 'crap', I can not be silent. Tyrants like a people silenced and controlled.

Clinton, will not ruin the nation. She's one tough bitch! She is someone our adversaries do not want as President. Mrs. Clinton does not come off as ruthless and arrogant like the majority of GOP/TP candidates. Yes, she *is* ruthless; to those that fuck with her, her family, or the nation. She has a moderate political position that places her at some odds with the liberals at large. She has a better chance of getting a good immigration bill through Congress. An probably has enough dirt to blackmail Republicans on most other subjects. Yet a Clinton/Sanders ticket would destroy anything the GOP/TP has to offer!

(in reply to ifmaz)

Post #: 30

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/6/2015 2:41:46 AM

Greta75

Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline

quote:

She took on 11 hours of the Republican's best bullshit during a Benghazi hearing. How many of the Republicans could handle such a grilling?

And trump has so far been handling all types of hostile questioning from various journalist and news channel. His braved liberal news channels and sat down to be ridiculed by them. Even his own party ridicules him and are not supportive of him.

Who is ostracised more? I'd say Trump. Hillary has been cowardly avoiding conservative medias.

(in reply to joether)

Post #: 31

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/6/2015 2:43:55 AM

thompsonx

Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline

ORIGINAL: Greta75

And trump has so far been handling all types of hostile questioning

By having his thugs beat them up

(in reply to Greta75)

Post #: 32

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/6/2015 2:45:40 AM

Greta75

Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx
ORIGINAL: Greta75
By having his thugs beat them up

Oh really, he personally ordered it? What happened to you being the all infallible source of facts?

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 12/6/2015 2:46:12 AM >

(in reply to thompsonx)

Post #: 33

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/6/2015 3:36:33 AM

bounty44

Posts: 6374
Joined: 11/1/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
Wasn't it a fluke that bush won?

Bush didn't win VS Gore...he was appointed in a 5-4 vote by the SCOTUS, ruling that [it] would do 'irreparable harm' to count all of the Florida votes. Seems they (SCOTUS) proved that yes, there can be a little...too much democracy.

"The unspoken truth of the 2000 election dispute in Florida is always ignored by the left: Gore never led; not on election night, not after any statewide recount, not after adding the votes from county hand recounts, and not even in the exhaustive statewide post—election recounts conducted by the major state and national newspapers (in almost all of which Bush wound up ahead when any consistent method of counting was used.) Pick your method of counting chads, and it doesn't matter. Bush won.

"Another myth is that Gore simply wanted all the votes counted. This is absolutely false. Gore lawyers and their supporters attempted to disqualify votes of some military voters overseas, and of absentee voters in several Florida counties. Both groups, not surprisingly, strongly supported Bush.

"On the other hand, they tried to create votes that the machines had determined contained no vote for President (the 'undervote'), but only in four heavily Democratic counties: Broward, Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia. In each of these counties, Democratic Party officials would control the hand count of the 'undervote.' So this was no exercise in civic minded duty — the logic was to find votes for Gore, and cancel votes for Bush.

"The left likes to say that the United States Supreme Court gave the election to Bush. They did no such thing. What they did was reverse the Florida Supreme Court's effort to keep on counting until Gore won. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Bush v Gore may not have been a model of jurisprudence, but the left also ignores the fact that the decision to over—rule the Florida Supreme Court was not a 5—4 decision dictated by the five conservative members of the Court, but a 7 to 2 decision. Even two liberals on the Court were offended by the machinations of the Florida court and its creation of a chaotic vote counting system for the 'undervotes'...

"The US Supreme Court decision over—ruling the Florida Supreme Court had two parts: the first a 7 to 2 vote over—ruling the vote counting system established by the Florida Supreme Court ; the second a 5 to 4 vote, requiring the vote count to be concluded almost immediately so that Florida could participate in the Electoral College process...

"The conclusion from all this is pretty clear. Florida had a very close election for President in 2000. It was so close that it was almost a tie. But by every official count that was made at any time during the 37 day recount period, and using virtually every consistent method for counting 'undervotes' that was considered after the election, Bush won Florida and the Presidency. I will say it again. Bush won Florida. He did not steal it."

for more democrat shenanigans...

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/01/the_myth_of_the_stolen_electio.html#ixzz3tXUOZQsp

what's more:

"On Nov. 12, 2001, The New York Times ran a front page article that began: "A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward."

"Another Times article that day by Richard L. Berke said that the "comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots solidifies George W. Bush's legal claim on the White House because it concludes that he would have won under the ground rules prescribed by the Democrats."

"On Nov. 18, 2001, notorious pro-abortion zealot Linda Greenhouse wrote in the Times that the media consortium's count of all the disputed Florida ballots — in which the Times participated — concluded "that George W. Bush would have won the 2000 presidential election even had the court not cut the final recount short." "

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter072607.php3

< Message edited by bounty44 -- 12/6/2015 3:46:04 AM >

(in reply to MrRodgers)

Post #: 34

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/6/2015 9:58:12 AM

ifmaz

Posts: 844
Joined: 7/22/2015
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
...
Mr. Trump is nominated, whomever is the DNC pick will have an easier time getting elected. It will not be hard to convince moderates to vote for someone sensible, practical, and professional.
...

Because Clinton is "sensible, practical, and professional"?

She took on 11 hours of the Republican's best bullshit during a Benghazi hearing. How many of the Republicans could handle such a grilling? Maybe Mr. Jeb Bush.....

She's taken on everything the Republicans have thrown in her direction since 1992! That's twenty-seven years on the political battlefield. That's not a veteran 'soldier', that's a living legend! She has many qualities that conservatives are jealous and afraid of. She's intelligent, educated, experienced, and makes Putin nervous to fuck with America!

You are more delusional than I had previously thought.

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: ifmaz
Come on Joether, even someone of your purported intelligence knows Clinton (and Trump) will further ruin this country.

If I was able to see clearly of the future, I would be a very rich individual right now. Not only that, but helping scientists to discover cures for illnesses, and helping educators to find better ways to help children learn more complex stuff. Notice I do not have this power "See into the future with perfect sight"?

Maybe you'd also see that Firearm Myth Testing Lab come to fruition.

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
blah blah blah

Clinton, will not ruin the nation. She's one tough bitch! She is someone our adversaries do not want as President. Mrs. Clinton does not come off as ruthless and arrogant like the majority of GOP/TP candidates. Yes, she *is* ruthless; to those that fuck with her, her family, or the nation. She has a moderate political position that places her at some odds with the liberals at large. She has a better chance of getting a good immigration bill through Congress. An probably has enough dirt to blackmail Republicans on most other subjects. Yet a Clinton/Sanders ticket would destroy anything the GOP/TP has to offer!

The only thing Clinton has going for her is her gender. She advocates removing or limiting civil rights, something you clearly don't have a problem with as you lean towards authoritarian.

Both major parties will further destroy the middle class; the democrats to favor the poor and the republicans to favor the wealthy.

(in reply to joether)

Post #: 35

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/6/2015 10:11:06 AM

Greta75

Posts: 9968
Joined: 2/6/2011
Status: offline

I was really disappointed that Clinton keeps playing her gender card. I really don't want the first female President in the US to win base on gender, because that would be like affirmative action and not a genuine win by her own merit. That was one of the things that made me very disappointed about her. I was initially, before Trump came into the picture, quite excited about her being the next President after Obama. After all, when it was Obama versus her, I was rooting for her in the past.

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 12/6/2015 10:12:14 AM >

(in reply to ifmaz)

Post #: 36

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/7/2015 1:10:24 AM

JVoV

Posts: 3672
Joined: 3/9/2015
Status: offline

Dubbya had a solid campaign strategy to lock up the Electoral Votes needed. Gore failed to energize his base in key battleground states, including Florida. Nader snagged enough votes from Gore to give Dubbya the win in Florida.

Gore was never a strong Presidential candidate for the party anyway. It was just kinda his turn to run. Same with Kerry in 06. Obama brought energy back to the party.

Hillary's gender is as much a part of her campaign as Obama's race was for his. It cannot be overlooked or ignored. But we aren't evolved enough for it not to matter. There will be at least some people that support Hillary (or refuse to) because of her gender.

Trump is the front-runner right now, but he has to win the primaries in order to get the nomination. As divided as the Republican party is lately, it's unlikely that any candidate will receive a true majority and a clear victory in those primaries.

(in reply to Greta75)

Post #: 37

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/7/2015 4:27:41 PM

thompsonx

Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Bush and Clinton...Bush and Clinton... and crazy people... they may be good capable people but i wish i had a different group based on experience and substance to choose from.

When has this ever happened in the history of the usa?

(in reply to kdsub)

Post #: 38

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/7/2015 4:30:48 PM

thompsonx

Posts: 23322
Joined: 10/1/2006
Status: offline

ORIGINAL: Greta75
I really don't want the first female President in the US to win base on gender,

Who the phoque are you to say who is the president of a country you claim not to live in?

(in reply to Greta75)

Post #: 39

RE: Trump and George W Bush - 12/7/2015 4:53:45 PM

Dvr22999874

Posts: 2849
Joined: 9/11/2008
Status: offline

and who are YOU to say WHERE she lives ? She says she lives in Singapore, so she lives in Singapore. I can say that you are possibly from some potty little pox-ridden hole in West Africa, but then I could be wrong, so I won't state that definitively. I will accept ( at this time) that because you SAY you live in america, you DO live in america. Why not extend the same courtesy to her ?

(in reply to thompsonx)

Post #: 40

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Trump and George W Bush

Page: << < prev 1 [2] 3 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.094