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crouchingtigress -> Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 2:30:25 PM)

This question is not to offend anyone, please, it is only that little hamster on his wheel in my brain working over time...[;)]
 
Which, as a rule, have you found in your experience to be more arrogant and more wind-baggy, less able to take constructive criticism, and more likely to get a puffy chest? Male Dominants or Female Dominants.
 
edited to add: i know there are great folks on both sides...i know there are asses on both sides....but do you have an opinon as to whch if you HAD to choose?


and if you have any thoughts on why you think that is, id love to hear 'em[:)]
 



enigmabrat -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 2:38:48 PM)

Male Doms... fem dom rockk



RavenMuse -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 2:42:54 PM)

Neither, there are people who fit that bill on both genders and on both sides of the dynamic.
(And yes, *I* can be an arrogant son-of-a-bitch if someone rattles my cage in the wrong way, I am not excluding myself from the above)



Evanesce -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 2:52:13 PM)

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Which, as a rule, have you found in your experience to be more arrogant and more wind-baggy, less able to take constructive criticism, and more likely to get a puffy chest?


Female submissives!
 
Seriously... I've seen more posturing and posing and "I'm SO much better/more evolved/more (insert BDSM orientation here) than you" behavior from female submissives than I've ever seen from dominants... of either gender.



crouchingtigress -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 2:53:21 PM)

you dont like answering direct questions....i get it...but if you HAD to choose which would you?


quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Neither, there are people who fit that bill on both genders and on both sides of the dynamic.
(And yes, *I* can be an arrogant son-of-a-bitch if someone rattles my cage in the wrong way, I am not excluding myself from the above)




crouchingtigress -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 2:55:36 PM)

 
see thatis a new perspective...thanks denise....hey i responded to your q, in askaswitch forum this am even though it was posted agaes ago i never saw it...



quote:

ORIGINAL: Evanesce

quote:

Which, as a rule, have you found i
 
 
n your experience to be more arrogant and more wind-baggy, less able to take constructive criticism, and more likely to get a puffy chest?


Female submissives!
 
Seriously... I've seen more posturing and posing and "I'm SO much better/more evolved/more (insert BDSM orientation here) than you" behavior from female submissives than I've ever seen from dominants... of either gender.



LaTigresse -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 2:58:22 PM)

just sitting here with an innocent look on my face.........[:)]



RavenMuse -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:02:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress
you dont like answering direct questions....i get it...but if you HAD to choose which would you?


I don't mind direct questions... the question was which... the answer is 'neither'
I have experienced just as much arrogance from one gender as the other.... likewise experienced just as much wisdom and common sense from one as the other.



sleazybutterfly -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:02:29 PM)

I think it is all of them....subs/slaves/Doms..not had much contact with Dommes though, but it has all been good.
 
Each one of us can get a swelled head in our own way (though not me.. I am too good for that).  There is always something that someone thinks they are better at than someone else.  I have had Doms say "Well, I do this, this,and this..so I am more Dom than him"...or subs write to a Dom I had and say"I can be more sub than she can."...

Any way you look at it..there are wind-bags everywhere.. the best thing to do.. is to give them something to suck on..and hope it makes their head explode.

~Andrea (flutterbi)



crouchingtigress -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:06:10 PM)

[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif[/image]Ok i give up....i never do these posts well because i always forget something....i know there are great folks on bothsides...i know there are asses on both sides....but do you have an opinopn as to whch if you HAD to choose?

my appologies for not being clear in the beginning i will go edit the OP.



RavenMuse -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:07:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress
but if you HAD to choose which would you?


Actualy, found a way to make a choise, IF you allow one slight deviation...

Pro-Dommes... mainly because I haven't yet met a Male Pro-Dom and they are more defensive and prone to having something to 'prove' (Their livelyhoods sorta depend on it, so I guess it is understandable, if irritating)



crouchingtigress -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:09:52 PM)

*untarnishes tigresses halo for her*

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

just sitting here with an innocent look on my face.........[:)]



crouchingtigress -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:12:39 PM)

*Laughs*...thank you!.....hope that was not too hard...[:D]
 
PS i think there should alwaaaaaaaaaaays be room for deviation![;)]

quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress
but if you HAD to choose which would you?


Actualy, found a way to make a choise, IF you allow one slight deviation...

Pro-Dommes... mainly because I haven't yet met a Male Pro-Dom and they are more defensive and prone to having something to 'prove' (Their livelyhoods sorta depend on it, so I guess it is understandable, if irritating)




sleazybutterfly -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:17:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif[/image]Ok i give up....i never do these posts well because i always forget something....i know there are great folks on bothsides...i know there are asses on both sides....but do you have an opinopn as to whch if you HAD to choose?

my appologies for not being clear in the beginning i will go edit the OP.


Sheesh.. ok, ok.. don't get your thong in a bunch[;)]
 
Doms are like a fart, full of hot air..and nothin' but sh*t behind it.
 
There... I guess all know where I stand on that one.

 
Respectfully, Flutterbi

PS...Edited to say... that there are exceptions to every quote..and several of them lurk around these forums.[sm=flowers.gif]



litleone8620 -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:17:32 PM)

I agree with Mister Muse. Pro Dommes seem to be more defensive about why they do what they do.

But since Pro Dommes aren't on the choice list, i would have to go with my original choice. I read the OP and immediately thought Doms.  

In my oh so very limited experience, every Dom i've met tend to be a bit of a know-it-all. And they (the ones i've met) seem to think that i NEED to listen to them, and take their advice to heart.

They (the ones i've met) also seems to think that theirs is the only way WIIWD should be done, and any other way is wrong.

But i've just been meeting the wrong Doms. [:D]

IMO, IMHO, and whatnot.



Noah -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:21:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

This question is not to offend anyone, please, it is only that little hamster on his wheel in my brain working over time...[;)]
 
Which, as a rule, have you found in your experience to be more arrogant and more wind-baggy, less able to take constructive criticism, and more likely to get a puffy chest? Male Dominants or Female Dominants.
 
edited to add: i know there are great folks on both sides...i know there are asses on both sides....but do you have an opinon as to whch if you HAD to choose?


and if you have any thoughts on why you think that is, id love to hear 'em[:)]
 



If broad generalizations are the soup of the day, why limit the menu to Tops?, why don't we rehash all the old conversations about blacks and whites; Jews and gentiles; gays and straights?

Isn't that what some people believe, that as soon as you name a category of millions of people you have a license to forget that they are individual people and just treat them in your thoughts and perhaps in your actions as an amorphous mass entity?

Honest, crouchingtigress, maybe you could mix some cocktails for the poor little hamster; give him a day off that way. Better, read a good book; listen to some great music; go sit and talk with an elder whose wisdom probably goes generally untapped. Stimulate that rodent (the hamster, not the elder) with ideas or feelings really worth exploring. Or, just go for a walk in the fresh air and practice gaining control over an unproductively overactive mind (which I take to be what's indicated by your choice of the hamster-on-a-wheel-going-nowhere metaphor.)

One can characterize large groups, as such, in an actuarial sort of way if one has access to large amounts of data, carefully collected, and then uses great care in the characterizing. Even the most careful usage of this sort of approach smudges and blurs what is uniquely valuable about individuals in the group. If that cost is paid to get, say, good data for a study designed to fight disease I think it is a fine price to pay and I'm all in favor of it. But if we're generalizing just for the sake of generalizing ... well I just don't get it. That isn't some sort of veiled accusation. That is me telling you something about me.

Finding out that Eddie has met six windbaggy Dommes and three windbaggy Doms whereas Susie has met twelve windbaggy Doms and four windbaggy Dommes doesn't provide the basis for any actuarial conclusion. It could be used by someone as justification for some broad prejudice in favor or orgainst one of the groups,I suppose. I just don't see what good can come of it.

Why even try to start a conversationcustom-made to elicit broad generalizations about two groups which each include millions of genuine, individual, unique people?

I'm wrong a lot. I learn new things every day. I'll look back in to this thread eventually to see whether my own stated prejudice about this topic is shown to have been unjustified. Along the way though, if anyone would care to explain why they think going in that a topic like this is worth going in to I'd be interested to hear.

Maybe one productive topic arising from the same inspiration could be: "If your mind sometimes feels like a hamster on a wheel, what have you learned to do in response and have you found a way for kink to play a part in it for you?"

I don't know, you know? I'm just sayin'.

Thanks










michaelGA2 -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:23:51 PM)

without question i would have to say male Dominants are often more...ummm...windy than female Dominants...just my opinion.



crouchingtigress -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 3:38:15 PM)

since this is coming from you, the grouchy pants fella i admire so much,  i have to respond...any one i would not take the time.[;)]
 
if you ever read me you you see that i am always striving for compassion, equality, level headedness and playfulness in what i contribute to the forums...i am very against categorizing folks and slapping labels on 'em.
 
i wrote the post because i wanted to engage in some yummy conversations about the reasons folks felt the way they did, but i did not care which they chose and still dont...
 
i am not trying to be incinduary...not at all....i am just curious on what folks perspective was and how they experienced D-life through their eyes...
 
that is one thing about the hamster, he loves people, he is fascinated by them, he  watches countless documentaries on anthropology to anatomy.....he, Me, especially loves to see how they tick...why they tick....dont ask me why but it has always been a passion/obsession to observe people...
 
i would post more stuff like this, but i honestly suck at it.....i write what i think is a clear concise post, and it is so misinterpreted as to be useless by page three....oh well i guess i just have to hope some one else posts the questions i want ask...but guess what...they dont...so who's gonna if not me?[:)]
 
 
 
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Noah


quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

This question is not to offend anyone, please, it is only that little hamster on his wheel in my brain working over time...[;)]

Which, as a rule, have you found in your experience to be more arrogant and more wind-baggy, less able to take constructive criticism, and more likely to get a puffy chest? Male Dominants or Female Dominants.

edited to add: i know there are great folks on both sides...i know there are asses on both sides....but do you have an opinion as to which if you HAD to choose?


and if you have any thoughts on why you think that is, id love to hear 'em[:)]




If broad generalizations are the soup of the day, why limit the menu to Tops?, why don't we rehash all the old conversations about blacks and whites; Jews and gentiles; gays and straights?

Isn't that what some people believe, that as soon as you name a category of millions of people you have a license to forget that they are individual people and just treat them in your thoughts and perhaps in your actions as an amorphous mass entity?

Honest, crouchingtigress, maybe you could mix some cocktails for the poor little hamster; give him a day off that way. Better, read a good book; listen to some great music; go sit and talk with an elder whose wisdom probably goes generally untapped. Stimulate that rodent (the hamster, not the elder) with ideas or feelings really worth exploring. Or, just go for a walk in the fresh air and practice gaining control over an unproductively overactive mind (which I take to be what's indicated by your choice of the hamster-on-a-wheel-going-nowhere metaphor.)

One can characterize large groups, as such, in an actuarial sort of way if one has access to large amounts of data, carefully collected, and then uses great care in the characterizing. Even the most careful usage of this sort of approach smudges and blurs what is uniquely valuable about individuals in the group. If that cost is paid to get, say, good data for a study designed to fight disease I think it is a fine price to pay and I'm all in favor of it. But if we're generalizing just for the sake of generalizing ... well I just don't get it. That isn't some sort of veiled accusation. That is me telling you something about me.

Finding out that Eddie has met six wind baggy Dommes and three wind baggy Doms whereas Susie has met twelve wind baggy Doms and four wind baggy Dommes doesn't provide the basis for any actuarial conclusion. It could be used by someone as justification for some broad prejudice in favor or organist one of the groups,I suppose. I just don't see what good can come of it.

Why even try to start a conversationcustom-made to elicit broad generalizations about two groups which each include millions of genuine, individual, unique people?

I'm wrong a lot. I learn new things every day. I'll look back in to this thread eventually to see whether my own stated prejudice about this topic is shown to have been unjustified. Along the way though, if anyone would care to explain why they think going in that a topic like this is worth going in to I'd be interested to hear.

Maybe one productive topic arising from the same inspiration could be: "If your mind sometimes feels like a hamster on a wheel, what have you learned to do in response and have you found a way for kink to play a part in it for you?"

I don't know, you know? I'm just sayin'.

Thanks











CrappyDom -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/18/2006 5:14:12 PM)

In addition to being the best at being modest, I am certainly pretty great at being a wind bag too.

However, my vote goes for ProDommes...they seem to have the thinnest skins and the biggest egos and for me to admit someone has a bigger ego than mine...well that ought to mean something.



eroticangel -> RE: Who is more wind-baggy? (7/19/2006 5:31:39 AM)

reading the answers given....i think you proved the answer....Doms.



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