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Lucylastic -> interesting but tragic . (12/5/2015 6:52:18 PM)
LONDON, Dec 5 (Reuters) - A man with a knife stabbed another in an east London metro station on Saturday evening, reportedly screaming "this is for Syria," before police used a stun gun on the attacker and detained him. "We are treating this as a terrorist incident," Richard Walton, who leads the London police's Counter Terrorism Command, said in a statement. Police were called to reports of a number of people stabbed at the Leytonstone Underground station in east London and a man threatening other people with a knife. One man was seriously injured and two sustained minor injuries, police said. London's Evening Standard newspaper said the attacker had screamed "this is for Syria." A police spokesman declined to comment on the report about Syria. Britain is on its second-highest alert level of "severe," meaning a militant attack is considered highly likely. This is mainly due to the threat the authorities say is posed by Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq and their encouragement of supporters to carry out attacks in their homelands. British lawmakers approved the bombing of Islamic State targets in Syria on Wednesday. Britain's air force has since carried out two bombing raids. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/three-injured-in-knife-attack-terror-incident-in-london-metro_56636ccde4b072e9d1c675ca But this is the real tragic bit in my opinion http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/london-police-knife-wielding-suspect_56636dc5e4b08e945fefcacd

ifmaz -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/5/2015 7:05:57 PM)
Did the first guy shrug off a taser or did the police miss? The second video, especially the line coming after it, is absolutely disgusting: quote: Granted, gun violence remains low in the U.K., and officers have less of a need to fight fire with fire, the BBC reports. The SF homeless man had a knife; there was no "fighting fire with fire". Granted we don't see the full video and it does not show what ultimately prompted the barrage of shots but I can't imagine the SFPD lacks tasers.

Lucylastic -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/5/2015 7:10:58 PM)
I know as much as you right now...im sure it will be clearer when all the info is in, it looks like he missed but the vid isnt clear enough for me.

PeonForHer -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/5/2015 7:22:11 PM)
What the old boy was doing hovering around behind the suspect beats me. Strewth. We are not used to such incidents here.

ifmaz -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/5/2015 7:25:17 PM)
Why do you think there is such a 'need' to label things as terrorist acts, to further expand the surveillance state? Does anyone in the UK ask what good the surveillance is doing after the likes of France and now this?

PeonForHer -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/5/2015 7:30:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz Why do you think there is such a 'need' to label things as terrorist acts, to further expand the surveillance state? Does anyone in the UK ask what good the surveillance is doing after the likes of France and now this? Re the first: good question. Something I ponder on myself. Re the second: yes, surveillance is certainly a big issue here. However, I have a feeling that this will turn out to be one of those cases in which no amount of surveillance would have been much use. We shall have to wait till the facts come in, though.

PeonForHer -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/6/2015 5:30:15 AM)
FR #YouAintNoMuslimBruv turns into a Twitter trend after one of the onlookers at the incident, a Muslim, shouts it at the knifeman. Kind of heartwarming.

Termyn8or -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/6/2015 10:46:07 AM)
FR Maybe they should stop attacking Syria. I mean it. Go to Google and ask it how many Muslims there are in the world. How many Arabic. You can't fucking kill them fast enough so you better make friends, if possible. At least unmake enemies. Or try. There is a Canadian forum, some of them do not like Canada supporting the US in this bullshit because they (rightly) believe it will make them targets. England wants to be a target, well if you had guns maybe you could have a real election. Maybe, we got them and we don't have real elections here. Get rid of these fucking oil company employees. That is who is running these countries, oil company reps. No, oil company OPERATIVES. Like little spies. Shit like this is like I described about the guns in the US. See, you cannot just go get a brain scanner and figure out who is ready to do something. (though they have tried, biometric scanning) These people are everywhere. Say we decide it is time for this regime to go. You do NOT walk up to the whitehouse and start shooting. What you do is pick them off in the street. Make it so the cops will not get out of their cars. City inspectors and bill collectors cannot do their job. Then in comes the military and the nice thing about that is some of them will desert and come to our side, and the others can be neutralized as well. They are not going to nuke their own people. In fact they will not nuke anywhere with significant natural resources. (ever notice that ?) And tear gas only has so much effectiveness. And even brown note cannons only do so much. There are simply too many of us. We CAN fuck them up bad enough they'll say uncle. And this is right where the Muslims are. What's more, this kind of shit it what the PTB want. They want you scared enough to accept their protection. Sound familiar ? Know why you don't hear about the supposed "mafia" anymore ? They moved in to government. So they pit the largest contingent on the planet against our People, and then sell us on the idea of giving up freedom and privacy. And it is all for the almighty buck. And for some, megalomania, the power itself. they want to dictate for no other reason than to dictate. How many laws do we have ? Fuck all this shit, if I liked fish I would move to Gilligan's island. T^T

NorthernGent -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/6/2015 1:41:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz Why do you think there is such a 'need' to label things as terrorist acts, to further expand the surveillance state? Does anyone in the UK ask what good the surveillance is doing after the likes of France and now this? I think you'll find that people in England are sceptical of grand ideas and always have been. So, the idea that there are a group of people out there who are determined to kill us, is not one that people tend to believe. If you're after something tangible to back this up, look at our response to the London bombings. There was no mass of public opinion that felt a country somewhere in the world needed to be punished on the back of the actions of four lunatics.

PeonForHer -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/6/2015 4:06:27 PM)
quote: So, the idea that there are a group of people out there who are determined to kill us, is not one that people tend to believe. Daesh want all of us to believe that it's us infidels against all Muslims. Well, quite apart from the obvious point of 'Why the feck should we all just fall in line with what Daesh want us to believe?' ... there's a point to be made about strategy. This is a fundamental point - and one that governments have been following for aeons: that one of your best strategies for beating an enemy is by dividing it. Strategically, then, even if (the generic) you do believe that your enemy is the entire faith of Islam and all Muslims; or the denizens of a particular country; you're still in many ways better off isolating one section of either group as the enemy. On the flip side: if you insist that your enemy is all Islam so that's exactly what we should be fighting - well, good luck with engaging in a war with 1.5 billion people, god knows how many armies and navies, and not a few nuclear weapons.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/6/2015 5:05:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz Why do you think there is such a 'need' to label things as terrorist acts, to further expand the surveillance state? Does anyone in the UK ask what good the surveillance is doing after the likes of France and now this? I think you'll find that people in England are sceptical of grand ideas and always have been. So, the idea that there are a group of people out there who are determined to kill us, is not one that people tend to believe. If you're after something tangible to back this up, look at our response to the London bombings. There was no mass of public opinion that felt a country somewhere in the world needed to be punished on the back of the actions of four lunatics. In those days NG, it was considered to be a small minority of a handful of extremists. Unfortunately, that bandwagon over the last 14 years has been hi-jacked by several extremist groups which have culminated in the birth of Daesh and various splinter groups. According to RationalWiki, it is raking in something of the order of $2m+ per day in oil revenue and has quite a large following: "DAESH's manpower is estimated to have risen 40-50%, from about 30,000 to about 45,000.". These days it's more than a handful of nutters and I think the general opinion has shifted since 9/11 and 7/7.

ifmaz -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/6/2015 5:30:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz Why do you think there is such a 'need' to label things as terrorist acts, to further expand the surveillance state? Does anyone in the UK ask what good the surveillance is doing after the likes of France and now this? Re the first: good question. Something I ponder on myself. Re the second: yes, surveillance is certainly a big issue here. However, I have a feeling that this will turn out to be one of those cases in which no amount of surveillance would have been much use. We shall have to wait till the facts come in, though. France may move to ban free WiFi and block TOR, per this article. There's also a suggestion to allow "random searches of vehicles and luggage without the consent of individuals" (if Google Translate is to be believed).

tj444 -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/7/2015 10:52:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or FR Maybe they should stop attacking Syria. I mean it. Go to Google and ask it how many Muslims there are in the world. How many Arabic. You can't fucking kill them fast enough so you better make friends, if possible. At least unmake enemies. Or try. There is a Canadian forum, some of them do not like Canada supporting the US in this bullshit because they (rightly) believe it will make them targets. England wants to be a target, well if you had guns maybe you could have a real election. Maybe, we got them and we don't have real elections here. Get rid of these fucking oil company employees. That is who is running these countries, oil company reps. No, oil company OPERATIVES. Like little spies. Shit like this is like I described about the guns in the US. See, you cannot just go get a brain scanner and figure out who is ready to do something. (though they have tried, biometric scanning) These people are everywhere. Say we decide it is time for this regime to go. You do NOT walk up to the whitehouse and start shooting. What you do is pick them off in the street. Make it so the cops will not get out of their cars. City inspectors and bill collectors cannot do their job. Then in comes the military and the nice thing about that is some of them will desert and come to our side, and the others can be neutralized as well. They are not going to nuke their own people. In fact they will not nuke anywhere with significant natural resources. (ever notice that ?) And tear gas only has so much effectiveness. And even brown note cannons only do so much. There are simply too many of us. We CAN fuck them up bad enough they'll say uncle. And this is right where the Muslims are. What's more, this kind of shit it what the PTB want. They want you scared enough to accept their protection. Sound familiar ? Know why you don't hear about the supposed "mafia" anymore ? They moved in to government. So they pit the largest contingent on the planet against our People, and then sell us on the idea of giving up freedom and privacy. And it is all for the almighty buck. And for some, megalomania, the power itself. they want to dictate for no other reason than to dictate. How many laws do we have ? Fuck all this shit, if I liked fish I would move to Gilligan's island. T^T I agree with most of what you said.. I am against Canada supporting the US in this.. bombing the shite out of them and killing innocents simply creates more and more US & Allies haters/terrorists.. this has gone on for decades.. they want the US out and thats what the US & other countries should do.. never mind the making friends shite.. let all ME countries stand on their own, dont buy or sell to them, dont allow citizens to travel there, embargo the shite out of them all and forget about them.. I had to laugh this morning,.. front page of the local newspaper Obama is declaring he/the US will destroy ISIL/ISIS.. what a joke (does he really believe that shite or is he just pulling a Trump?).. its been going on for over a decade in Iraq (the illegal war) with no signs of it ending, instead its getting worse.. the new terrorists are not the pussycats that AQ were or the terrorists before them.. Iran is looking at letting oil corps back in.. omfg.. so down the road when there is a new leader in Iran and they nationalize whatever the non-Iranian oil corps own, the US will shake its fist in the air and declare "war" on Iran (again)..

tj444 -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/7/2015 11:02:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic LONDON, Dec 5 (Reuters) - A man with a knife stabbed another in an east London metro station on Saturday evening, reportedly screaming "this is for Syria," before police used a stun gun on the attacker and detained him. "We are treating this as a terrorist incident," Richard Walton, who leads the London police's Counter Terrorism Command, said in a statement. Police were called to reports of a number of people stabbed at the Leytonstone Underground station in east London and a man threatening other people with a knife. One man was seriously injured and two sustained minor injuries, police said. London's Evening Standard newspaper said the attacker had screamed "this is for Syria." A police spokesman declined to comment on the report about Syria. Britain is on its second-highest alert level of "severe," meaning a militant attack is considered highly likely. This is mainly due to the threat the authorities say is posed by Islamic State militants in Syria and Iraq and their encouragement of supporters to carry out attacks in their homelands. British lawmakers approved the bombing of Islamic State targets in Syria on Wednesday. Britain's air force has since carried out two bombing raids. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/three-injured-in-knife-attack-terror-incident-in-london-metro_56636ccde4b072e9d1c675ca But this is the real tragic bit in my opinion http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/london-police-knife-wielding-suspect_56636dc5e4b08e945fefcacd shoot and ask questions later, thats the US policy.. people should not fear police like they do here, but thats what happens in a Police State..

vincentML -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/7/2015 11:27:36 AM)
~FR I just saw a video of this incident. People cowering against the wall in the Underground and this lone mad man dashing about with a knife and screaming threats. Seemed bonkers to me.

thompsonx -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/7/2015 4:35:51 PM)
ORIGINAL: vincentML ~FR I just saw a video of this incident. People cowering against the wall in the Underground and this lone mad man dashing about with a knife and screaming threats. Seemed bonkers to me. Where the hell were all the soccer fans when they are needed?[;)]

PeonForHer -> RE: interesting but tragic . (12/7/2015 4:52:08 PM)
quote: Where the hell were all the soccer fans when they are needed? Probably beating up a Sikh while calling him an 'ISIS bastard'. Our soccer hooligans have never been noted for being intellectual giants.

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