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Black Pete - 12/6/2015 5:46:13 AM

Greta75

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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/30/world/blackface-documentary-zwarte-piet-feat/index.html

I just watched this video, and my thoughts are, an African American with their personal issues, goes into a foreign country, with their own culture, and tries to impose his own values on them.

Those black petes are like santa elves. So the crazy thing is, it's okay if santa elves are white but not okay if they are black? In the Holland version of this fairytale character, Dark Petes are suppose to be from Moor, which are people that look African.

At the end of the documentary, I wonder what he wants Holland to do about his hurt feelings? Should they maybe change all their Dark Petes to White Petes?

Or should they maybe change St Nicholas to Black St Nicholas? I have no objection to this as well. Why not!

Maybe he'll be offended by this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIXUgtNC4Kc

Apparently in South Africa, where majority are black Africans, there are no sensitivity about Black Face at all.

It's just an American thing as the Americans used to do it in a derogatory way and not in a complimentary way so it's just a US problem.

But I think the Black Petes are excellent, teaching children to love black people from young and associate them with positive things. I think it's great.

This also reminds me of when Katy Perry did that Japanese inspired theme which I thought was beautiful. NOBODY in Asia was offended, we loved it! And Japanese in Japan were huge fans! We didn't think it was an insult to us.

But such a crazy uproar in the US about her being racist to yellow people. Unreal. I would love her dressed as a chinese next time in a beautiful cheong sam. She got the figure for it!

For reference, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUaxaurKtOU

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RE: Black Pete - 12/7/2015 5:36:16 PM

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It can be deduced and shown that the Sinterklaas celebration in The Netherlands and Belgium is part of a pan indo-european - and beyond - turn of the year ritual. The elderly, snow-white Saint Nicholas is the dying Winter King; we celebrate the anniversary of his death on six December. Whereas his dark - in The Netherlands pitchblack - youthful companion Zwarte Piet represents the rebellious and fertile New Year. So in fact they are both identical and opposites, and inseparable, like the yin and yang symbol.

The dates of the various turn of the year rituals differ between countries and even within countries. For example, in the USA the Santa Claus ritual happens during Christmas - which is a lot closer to the wintersolstice of 21 or 22 December than the Sinterklaas celebration.

The difference in time between the winter solstice and six December demonstrates how very ancient the Sinterklaas ritual is; especially when one considers that the New Year - and therefore the winter solstice - in Antiquity started on the first of March...

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