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JVoV -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/7/2015 12:15:11 PM)
A guy that went from Baltimore to NYC and murdered 2 officers (last year? Earlier this year?) tweeted his intentions beforehand. The guy that killed the news crew a while back was using social media at the time. Even uploaded the graphic video as he made his getaway. So it really isn't so farfetched that terrorists would do the same. Have you touched a recent model of a smartphone, Tweeka?

DesideriScuri -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/7/2015 12:26:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ...why people seem to be so quick to kill and even in the gun threads no one seems to really want to address that. Good point - though it takes us into deeper territory than people are used to re guns. Do people have an especial fondness for killing in the USA? If so, why? I don't think it's a "fondness for killing" at all. Sure, there are some really twisted fucks out there, but I highly doubt the vast majority of killings are done because one enjoys killing. It's more about killing to get one's way. It might be easier to kill someone to get your way than it is to sway them to your opinion without use of lethal force, but it certainly isn't more civilized. Shooting someone - outside of self defense - is illegal for civilians. Killing someone - outside of self defense - is illegal for civilians. What makes anyone think that guns won't be used/gotten once they're declared illegal when the use of a gun to kill another person and killing another person are already illegal? Personally, I think we need to focus on why someone wants to kill another person, rather than the mode by which the killing is threatened.

PeonForHer -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/7/2015 4:02:55 PM)
quote: I don't think it's a "fondness for killing" at all. Sure, there are some really twisted fucks out there, but I highly doubt the vast majority of killings are done because one enjoys killing. I'd be more persuaded, DS, were it not for the fact that the USA not only loves its guns, but also seems to love its capital punishments. From the outside, to me - and I suspect to a lot of non-Americans - there are frequent and quite visceral shocks at the numbers of people who get killed ("righteously" or otherwise) in the USA and the way Americans seem to take all such killings in their stride. I'm not just talking about lefties in the UK who get shocked in this way. I'm talking about everybody here, right across the political spectrum. The USA looks very, very unusual in the way it puts up with killing, to us in Europe and probably Aus and NZ, too.

Politesub53 -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/7/2015 4:26:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I didnt realize anyone was stupid enough to think someone used facebook while carrying an armed attack........ As per normal it didnt take long for me to be proved wrong. My thanks to CD for again showing how creative he can be. Really? Prove it. Because the mainstream media here made note of it. So bring forth your source that says she did not. If you're referring to minutiae like "well, she did pledge her allegiance but it wasn't during the attack, it was during the episode" or "she didn't pledge allegiance, only her support and that was just to the group's leader", then you're full of shit. Tashfeen Malik, 27, vowed her support for the terror group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, on the site at around 11 a.m. Wednesday just as the first 911 calls were made by workers at the attacked Southern California facility. The message, later scrubbed by Facebook for violating its code of conduct, was posted under a different name http://nypost.com/2015/12/04/killer-wife-in-california-massacre-swore-allegiance-to-isis/ The woman who helped her husband kill 14 people at holiday party in California praised the leader of the Islamic State group in a Facebook post just minutes into the attack. A Facebook executive told The Associated Press that Tashfeen Malik posted the material under an alias account at 11 a.m. Wednesday. That was about the time the first 911 calls came in and when the couple were believed to have stormed into the San Bernardino social service center and opened fire. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-relative-shooter-bad-person-not-radical-135655071.html The woman, Tashfeen Malik, declared allegiance to the Islamic State on Facebook at roughly the time of the shooting on Wednesday, a Facebook spokesman said. At a news conference in San Bernardino, David Bowdich, the F.B.I. assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles office, said he was aware of the post, which was taken down by Facebook on Wednesday, but he would not elaborate. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html?referer=https://www.google.com/ I see in a later post you changed the goalpost and claimed you were talking about "the whole episode". I pulled you on what you actually said, because.......... thats what you fucking said....[8\|]

BamaD -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/7/2015 7:15:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I can use my car keys as a weapon, I prefer my .45. Why would you prefer your .45? Could it be that guns make much better weapons? Can we finally ditch this 'Oh everything can be used as a weapon - why not cut off our fists, too?' argument? I know gunsters love it - but that doesn't stop it being possibly the most stupid I've heard (and that's up against some really stiff opposition for stupid pro-gun arguments). To really hit the point, I can use my Bowie to fight them, but they are more likely to run away from my .45. Is it better to carve them up with the Bowie, or scare them with the .45? I would rather scare them.

CreativeDominant -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/7/2015 7:44:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I didnt realize anyone was stupid enough to think someone used facebook while carrying an armed attack........ As per normal it didnt take long for me to be proved wrong. My thanks to CD for again showing how creative he can be. Really? Prove it. Because the mainstream media here made note of it. So bring forth your source that says she did not. If you're referring to minutiae like "well, she did pledge her allegiance but it wasn't during the attack, it was during the episode" or "she didn't pledge allegiance, only her support and that was just to the group's leader", then you're full of shit. Tashfeen Malik, 27, vowed her support for the terror group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, on the site at around 11 a.m. Wednesday just as the first 911 calls were made by workers at the attacked Southern California facility. The message, later scrubbed by Facebook for violating its code of conduct, was posted under a different name http://nypost.com/2015/12/04/killer-wife-in-california-massacre-swore-allegiance-to-isis/ The woman who helped her husband kill 14 people at holiday party in California praised the leader of the Islamic State group in a Facebook post just minutes into the attack. A Facebook executive told The Associated Press that Tashfeen Malik posted the material under an alias account at 11 a.m. Wednesday. That was about the time the first 911 calls came in and when the couple were believed to have stormed into the San Bernardino social service center and opened fire. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/latest-relative-shooter-bad-person-not-radical-135655071.html The woman, Tashfeen Malik, declared allegiance to the Islamic State on Facebook at roughly the time of the shooting on Wednesday, a Facebook spokesman said. At a news conference in San Bernardino, David Bowdich, the F.B.I. assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles office, said he was aware of the post, which was taken down by Facebook on Wednesday, but he would not elaborate. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html?referer=https://www.google.com/ I see in a later post you changed the goalpost and claimed you were talking about "the whole episode". I pulled you on what you actually said, because.......... thats what you fucking said....[8\|] No, I didn't claim that, you liar. I explained that I meant the whole episode. Saying it occurred during the attacks...even though that's what all three accounts--including FACEBOOKS OWN account--said...was giving a squirrel like you too much of a nut to play with. Funny...I've yet to see your source denying that she did this. Or was it just the semantics that got you all fired up because you couldn't bear the truth of her pledge?

ifmaz -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/7/2015 7:58:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV A guy that went from Baltimore to NYC and murdered 2 officers (last year? Earlier this year?) tweeted his intentions beforehand. The guy that killed the news crew a while back was using social media at the time. Even uploaded the graphic video as he made his getaway. So it really isn't so farfetched that terrorists would do the same. Have you touched a recent model of a smartphone, Tweeka? As an aside, here's something that bugs me: do you suppose terrorists use emoticons, like smileys and such?

thishereboi -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 3:45:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ...why people seem to be so quick to kill and even in the gun threads no one seems to really want to address that. Good point - though it takes us into deeper territory than people are used to re guns. Do people have an especial fondness for killing in the USA? If so, why? I don't think the majority of people in the us do anymore than they do in other countries. As to why some do, I have no clue but I think it's worth looking into.

thishereboi -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 4:06:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I don't think it's a "fondness for killing" at all. Sure, there are some really twisted fucks out there, but I highly doubt the vast majority of killings are done because one enjoys killing. I'd be more persuaded, DS, were it not for the fact that the USA not only loves its guns, but also seems to love its capital punishments. From the outside, to me - and I suspect to a lot of non-Americans - there are frequent and quite visceral shocks at the numbers of people who get killed ("righteously" or otherwise) in the USA and the way Americans seem to take all such killings in their stride. I'm not just talking about lefties in the UK who get shocked in this way. I'm talking about everybody here, right across the political spectrum. The USA looks very, very unusual in the way it puts up with killing, to us in Europe and probably Aus and NZ, too. If the US loves its capital punishment so much then why have over 1/2 the states stopped using it? And why do the states who do have it, have so many convicts sitting on death row and not dead? According to this.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States "In 2014, 35 inmates were executed in the United States,[2][3] and 3,002 were on death row." seems like they have close to 3000 chances to love killing that they aren't jumping at. Perhaps if you folks in Europe and probably Aus and NZ too really understood how life is over here you wouldn't think it so unusual. But it is obvious from your posts that you really don't.

PeonForHer -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 4:34:39 AM)
quote: Perhaps if you folks in Europe and probably Aus and NZ too really understood how life is over here you wouldn't think it so unusual. But it is obvious from your posts that you really don't. What, if I understood life there better, I'd learn to like all the killing? Nup. Not likely.

tweakabelle -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 5:06:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I don't think it's a "fondness for killing" at all. Sure, there are some really twisted fucks out there, but I highly doubt the vast majority of killings are done because one enjoys killing. I'd be more persuaded, DS, were it not for the fact that the USA not only loves its guns, but also seems to love its capital punishments. From the outside, to me - and I suspect to a lot of non-Americans - there are frequent and quite visceral shocks at the numbers of people who get killed ("righteously" or otherwise) in the USA and the way Americans seem to take all such killings in their stride. I'm not just talking about lefties in the UK who get shocked in this way. I'm talking about everybody here, right across the political spectrum. The USA looks very, very unusual in the way it puts up with killing, to us in Europe and probably Aus and NZ, too. That "unusual" attitude towards killing is something worth examining. One can see from some of the pro-gun people's posts here that there is not only an oft stated willingness to use weapons but also there is an impression that some people just can't wait to have the chance to use their weapons on those ubiquitous 'bad guys' lurking, it seems, around every corner. It also seems to me that the way some Americans think and talk about crime and their own safety is quite different to that of people in most other countries which have more or less similar crime levels (homicides excepted). Their discourse is utterly alien to me - by which I mean I've never heard Australians, or any other non-Americans talk about these issues in the same way, to have the same preoccupation with crime or level of paranoia about their own safety. There is also the cultural inheritance of guns occupying a prominent place in US history and culture. All of which combines to create a situation that is very difficult for non-Americans to regard sympathetically. Guns are not only instruments of self defence, they are also a means of asserting one's will, of exercising domination and control over a situation. My suspicion is that there is a lot more acceptance and approval of using weapons as a means of asserting will and domination in US society and culture than other Western countries. In other Western countries, the acceptance would be far more ambivalent, and the approval, for all intents and purposes, non-existent.

Politesub53 -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 3:54:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant No, I didn't claim that, you liar. I explained that I meant the whole episode. Saying it occurred during the attacks...even though that's what all three accounts--including FACEBOOKS OWN account--said...was giving a squirrel like you too much of a nut to play with. Funny...I've yet to see your source denying that she did this. Or was it just the semantics that got you all fired up because you couldn't bear the truth of her pledge? You claimed exactly that, you clearly said she posted during the attack. Then you claimed you meant the whole episode. Call me a liar all you want but the only liar here is you. Posting bullshit and crying because I pulled you on it. Laughable shit about me not being able to bear the truth about her post. I am glad the terrorist bitch is dead.

thishereboi -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 5:27:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Perhaps if you folks in Europe and probably Aus and NZ too really understood how life is over here you wouldn't think it so unusual. But it is obvious from your posts that you really don't. What, if I understood life there better, I'd learn to like all the killing? Nup. Not likely. No, you would learn that they don't love killing any more than people in other countries do, but maybe I am giving you too much credit?

PeonForHer -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 5:44:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi No, you would learn that they don't love killing any more than people in other countries do, but maybe I am giving you too much credit? Oh come on, THB. You yourself brought up the subject of people wanting to kill each other and how people ignore it on gun threads. Surely you can do better than your tired old usual of 'lefties and non-Americans get it all wrong'? It won't hurt you to venture at least an idea, will it?

BamaD -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 5:51:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi No, you would learn that they don't love killing any more than people in other countries do, but maybe I am giving you too much credit? Oh come on, THB. You yourself brought up the subject of people wanting to kill each other and how people ignore it on gun threads. Surely you can do better than your tired old usual of 'lefties and non-Americans get it all wrong'? It won't hurt you to venture at least an idea, will it? There are evil people in the world. We have an entire generation that has been told that nothing they do is their fault.

PeonForHer -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 5:53:50 PM)
quote: We have an entire generation that has been told that nothing they do it their fault. One generation? You've had lots of generations of gun-manufacturers and their supporters.

Dvr22999874 -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 5:54:27 PM)
And I think they may be teaching the next generation the same thing Bama, except it will probably find a way to be worse.

BamaD -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 5:56:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874 And I think they may be teaching the next generation the same thing Bama, except it will probably find a way to be worse. If we don't turn things around soon.

MercTech -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 6:16:27 PM)
http://www.knifeup.com/knife-laws/ Knife laws are not new. Every state has laws that define a "deadly weapon" which requires a permit to carry concealed or face arrest and legal penalties. An eight inch Bowie knife and a .45 caliber hand cannon are both "deadly weapons". And carrying a deadly weapon without a concealed carry warrant is unlawful. Check your local jurisdiction for exact specifications. For Example: quote: In Mississippi it’s a crime to carry a concealed deadly weapon. The term “deadly weapon” includes switchblade knives, dirks, bowie knives, stilettos, blackjacks, slingshots, pistols, rifles with a barrel length of less than 16 inches, shotguns with a barrel length of less than 18 inches, firearms silencers, and automatic firearms. However, it isn’t a crime to carry a concealed deadly weapon if the holder has concealed weapons permit. (See Open and Concealed Gun Carry Laws in Mississippi for more information.) It’s also not a crime for people to carry a concealed deadly weapon while in their home, place of business, or vehicle; or when participating in, or travelling to or from, a sport shooting activity. Concealment of a deadly weapon in Mississippi is a misdemeanor or felony offense, depending on the circumstances. (Mississippi Code section 97-37-1) http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/weapons-charges-mississippi.htm

BamaD -> RE: "Save A Life - Surrender Your Knife" (12/8/2015 6:46:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: We have an entire generation that has been told that nothing they do it their fault. One generation? You've had lots of generations of gun-manufacturers and their supporters. And the problems started with the generations that thought they had the right to do whatever they wanted. BTW in the last 20 years gun ownership has doubled, and crime has cut in half, hard to blame crime on gun manufactures and their supporters. We aren't seeing a vast increase in crime, but a vast increase in crime coverage.

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