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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/17/2015 3:40:38 AM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkaNHYxlVhY
the fun of Trump!!!

If you don't blame moderate Muslims for ISIS, then shouldn't be blaming Trump for those beatings.
He said, ban them but not beat them!
He may have said in one case maybe that guy who was hostilely yelling at him brought it upon himself, but many moderate muslims also say islamic terrorism is caused by the west, victim blaming. Both are not right in saying that.


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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/17/2015 11:19:44 AM   
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Cruz said during the debate:

“It’s not a lack of competence that is preventing the Obama administration from stopping these attacks. It is political correctness. We didn’t monitor the Facebook posting of the female San Bernardino terrorist because the Obama DHS [Department of Homeland Security] thought it would be inappropriate. She made a public call to jihad, and they didn’t target it.”
There’s just one problem with that, though: It has been proven to be completely untrue.


FBI: 'No evidence' Calif. shooters supported jihad on social media.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/263448-fbi-no-evidence-san-bernardino-shooters-supported-jihad-on


The FBI said on Wednesday that suspected San Bernardino, Calif., shooters Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik did not express their support for jihad publicly on social media, potentially undercutting efforts to ramp up surveillance of foreign travelers’ online presences.

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FBI Director James Comey told reporters that there was “no evidence of a posting on social media by either of them" to reflect that they had been radicalized.
The communications instead were “direct, private messages,” the FBI head said during a news conference in New York.

“I’ve seen some reporting on that and that’s a garble.”

Comey’s comments appear to undercut calls from national security hawks for U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials to ramp up their scrutiny of social media accounts of people coming into the country through various visa programs.

During Tuesday evening’s Republican presidential debate, multiple candidates dinged the Obama administration for reports indicating that officials had been barred from screening foreigners’ social media accounts because of privacy concerns.

“It's not a lack of competence that is preventing the Obama administration from stopping these attacks. It is political correctness,” Sen Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said.

“We didn't monitor the Facebook posting of the female San Bernardino terrorist because the Obama DHS [Department of Homeland Security] thought it would be inappropriate. She made a public call to jihad, and they didn't target it.”

Also on Tuesday, 25 Democratic senators sent a letter to the DHS calling social media postings “critical background information” and urging officials to review it for people coming not the country.

If Malik’s messages were private, however, it likely would have been impossible for the government to screen them without obtaining permission from the social networking company.

Criticism about the government’s search of migrants’ and travelers’ social media accounts spiked after reports that Malik had posted her support for Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi on Facebook. The criticism intensified after an ABC News report this month indicating that Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson decided against ending a secret policy prohibiting immigration officials from reviewing social media posts.....




how many will believe it..?

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/18/2015 6:58:35 AM   
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He may have said in one case maybe that guy who was hostilely yelling at him brought it upon himself, but many moderate muslims also say islamic terrorism is caused by the west, victim blaming. Both are not right in saying that.


You have an odd sense of "victim blaming". Victims do not have armies of occupation in foreign countries. Victims don't have any kind of military presence in foreign countries. The victims are those who are forced to live under a hostile foreign military occupation, not those doing the occupying.

One need only look at Iraq since the Western invasion to see the direct causal connection between hostile foreign military occupations and terrorism. If that doesn't convince, look at Occupied Palestine. It is well known that the most efficient generator of terrorism is a hostile foreign military occupation.

It is arguable that Islamist terrorism in the West would not be happening if there was no Western military presence in their countries. It is widely accepted that one of Islamist terrorism's most effective recruiting mechanisms is the Western military adventures in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/18/2015 8:19:33 AM   
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Actually democrat Jimmy Carter banned all Iranians from entering the country as well as deported Iranian students during the Iranian hostage crisis. In ww2 Japanese and Germans were barred from entering the country and the ones already here were detained for investigation. Considering the fact that the Muslim world has become increasingly unstable there is no telling who is radical and who is not. Proof lies with the recent attacks on France and the states. Two were confirmed Syrian refugees that entered Europe through greece which coincidentally is also the country in which a large shipping container full of automatic weapons and explosives were seized at a shipping port. If any one knows anything about warfare you would also note that the only way a militarily in superior nation could invade a country like france, Germany and England is by mass migration under the guise of refuge. All the footage and pictures I've seen have one thing in common. They all show mostly men of fighting age and wery few women, children and elderly. Now considering that Isis and Iran have made it clear that they would conquer the western world. Not necessarily by force but by mass immigration. They also said the would take western women as their wives and convert us from within. The terror attacks are not going to stop they are a mere distraction of what is really going on. Why feed and house all these men when we could tell them to fight for their own country? Why are no Muslim countries accepting refugees? Why don't refugees stay at the port of entry usually one of the Balkan nations, greece or turkey but instead push on to the most powerful European nations such as germany, England and France? It's a textbook Trojan horse that most are to blind to see.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/18/2015 8:46:17 AM   
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If its one thing you don't get its the fact that Isis did not become relevant until Obama pulled troops from iraq which enabled Isis to gain strength. And your there would be no terrorism if we weren't present in the middle East is complete and utter horse shit. Muslims have been attacking Christian and jewish nations since they came to existence about 1500 years ago. If the holy Land is anyone's its the Jews since Muslims nor Christians existed at the time the Jews established their nation. Entire countries such as turkey that used to be a Christian/ Jewish nation are now primarily Islamic. Not that I care about religion I do care about what laws I live under and it won't ever be shariah. As an atheist I would not survive long living under Muslim law. In most Muslim countries any other religion is forced to pay a extra tax and they are constantly persecuted. Muslims can't even get along with each other what makes you think they will play nice once they are the majority in the western world? Europeans and Americans have birthrate of 2.0 or less while Muslims have one of 7.0 and higher. The koran tells them to have many children in order to conquer the world. There have been numerous unprovoked attacks in the past 50 years. The only way to stop that is to occupy the most volitile regions and divide control amongst the super powers just like the allies and Russia did to Germany. If we would of left Germany in a big pile of rubble after we kicked Hitler's ass someone else possibly more derranged would of taken control. That's exactly what happened when Obama pulled out of iraq. He left behind a limping government that couldn't stand up to isis.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/18/2015 9:13:39 AM   
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Thompsonx,

I'm not sure where you get your information from but I can guarantee you that the US is not first in GDP. Our school system is set up to let people fail. The no child Left behind act is absolutely ridiculous. The fact that all testing is multiple choice instead of being asked a question and writing out the answer only proves that the student is capable of guessing. America has a huge drop out rate compare to most European countries. Hell there are people that can't even pass the GED.
When I joined the army I had to take the Asvab which is extremely easy compared to other tests I've been given in Germany. I was in a room with about 100 people taking the test and only about 60 passed the mandatory minimum. The bar is set extremely low to get in the army. It depends on your Asvab score what mos (military occupational skill) you can perform. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to join the army but some jobs do require brain functionality which many applicants seem to lack.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/18/2015 10:09:16 AM   
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Actually democrat Jimmy Carter banned all Iranians from entering the country as well as deported Iranian students during the Iranian hostage crisis. In ww2 Japanese and Germans were barred from entering the country and the ones already here were detained for investigation.


These were nationalities and not people of a certain faith. The problem with dividing up faith is, there are so many different sections of it. If we were to turn away the Muslim Curds and other sects of the Muslim faith then we are leaving many of them to an almost certain death.

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Considering the fact that the Muslim world has become increasingly unstable there is no telling who is radical and who is not. Proof lies with the recent attacks on France and the states. Two were confirmed Syrian refugees that entered Europe through greece which coincidentally is also the country in which a large shipping container full of automatic weapons and explosives were seized at a shipping port.


The shipping container was on its way to the port of Misrata in Libya and not to ISIS but to "Libya Dawn." It was not on its way to Europe as you seem to be implying here.
Considering ISIS hatred of the West, very little has happened on our own shores. Germany has taken over a million Syrians and have so far been without incident. All but one of the French terrorists were European home grown.

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If any one knows anything about warfare you would also note that the only way a militarily in superior nation could invade a country like france, Germany and England is by mass migration under the guise of refuge. All the footage and pictures I've seen have one thing in common. They all show mostly men of fighting age and wery few women, children and elderly. Now considering that Isis and Iran have made it clear that they would conquer the western world. Not necessarily by force but by mass immigration. They also said the would take western women as their wives and convert us from within. The terror attacks are not going to stop they are a mere distraction of what is really going on. Why feed and house all these men when we could tell them to fight for their own country? Why are no Muslim countries accepting refugees? Why don't refugees stay at the port of entry usually one of the Balkan nations, greece or turkey but instead push on to the most powerful European nations such as germany, England and France? It's a textbook Trojan horse that most are to blind to see.


This is when you start to sound paranoid. I do know quite a bit about warfare and I certainly don't think the way you do. Why would ISIS send valuable men on sinking boats or walking thousands of kilometres across desert when they can ship them in on a business visa? They don't need to ship in radicals because the radicals are already here, they were born here.
There really isn't a lot more men than women entering our lands but unfortunately that's how our right wing press want to portray it. Also keep in mind that these people have had to travel long distances across desert with only their feet to carry them. Children, the sick and the elderly often die on-route.

Why would Greece and Turkey agree to take all these refugees?


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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/18/2015 10:23:06 AM   
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Actually democrat Jimmy Carter banned all Iranians from entering the country as well as deported Iranian students during the Iranian hostage crisis. In ww2 Japanese and Germans were barred from entering the country and the ones already here were detained for investigation. Considering the fact that the Muslim world has become increasingly unstable there is no telling who is radical and who is not. Proof lies with the recent attacks on France and the states. Two were confirmed Syrian refugees that entered Europe through greece which coincidentally is also the country in which a large shipping container full of automatic weapons and explosives were seized at a shipping port. If any one knows anything about warfare you would also note that the only way a militarily in superior nation could invade a country like france, Germany and England is by mass migration under the guise of refuge. All the footage and pictures I've seen have one thing in common. They all show mostly men of fighting age and wery few women, children and elderly. Now considering that Isis and Iran have made it clear that they would conquer the western world. Not necessarily by force but by mass immigration. They also said the would take western women as their wives and convert us from within. The terror attacks are not going to stop they are a mere distraction of what is really going on. Why feed and house all these men when we could tell them to fight for their own country? Why are no Muslim countries accepting refugees? Why don't refugees stay at the port of entry usually one of the Balkan nations, greece or turkey but instead push on to the most powerful European nations such as germany, England and France? It's a textbook Trojan horse that most are to blind to see.

He banned iranians.... not muslims. BIG difference.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/18/2015 10:58:16 AM   
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If its one thing you don't get its the fact that Isis did not become relevant until Obama pulled troops from iraq which enabled Isis to gain strength.


1. Obama HAD to pull troops from Iraq due to a treaty signed by one G.W. Bush during that summit when he had a shoe thrown at him.

2. ISIS had their start under Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, and have been on the map ever since. When Assad attacked his own people they moved into Syria from Iraq to aid in helping the Sunni there. The USA, seeing a possible opportunity to get rid of Russias last ally in the region, and to get rid of Russias only airbases and naval base in the region supplied them with TOW missiles and other equipment. They kind of got worse from then on.

To blame Obama for the situation in Iraq after the whole Bush/Blair/Cheney/Rumsfeld comedy beggars belief.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/18/2015 1:48:57 PM   
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Thompsonx,

I'm not sure where you get your information from

It was in the link supplied..world bank, united nations, international monitary fund ya know those guys who don't know shit




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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/19/2015 4:20:23 AM   
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Put as much mascara on that pig as you choose but it is still a bribe and it shows what a scumbag punk he is. The briber is no different than the bribed. Both are punkassmotherfuckers.


It's not a bribe. It was blackmail.

For those too ignorant to even understand what they post a bribe is what is paid to a blackmailer.



He blackmailed the US to fund his country for free, and threatened to release more sensitive information about their dark deeds to show them not to mess with him. US is so powerful and big and could have turn around and told him to fuck off.


How much did the usa make off of the sale of more than 50 usa built f 15 fighters at 35 million each, more than 60 usa built f 16 fighters at about 20 million each, 75 of the f 35b at $251 million each?
If you cannot do the math ask a grown up to help you.



But they didn't and paid him. Why? What hideous secrets are they afraid of? As our leader, he did a pretty good job. His job is to do whatever is best for the country. So his done his job. End of the day, every single cent went into improving poverty.

That must be why that third world fascist shithole has nearly 30% of their people living below the povety level.

So to me, his done great!

What sort of moron thinks that nearly 30% of their people living below the poverty level is a good thing?

As he said, the true measurement of how effective a government is, how much have the standard of living of his people improve since his rule.


When 17% of the population are millionaires nearly 30% live below the poverty level and an average income of s$3500 a month of which more than half is confiscated by the nazi in charge you are happy...how kewel for you and the rest of the nazis.

And I agree. I want to see results, improvement in people's life, eradicating poverty, those are my priority of good what good governance is.

"Chin music" and nothing more.

If our current ruling party stop delivering improvements, we will vote them out. Currently, they are still delivering.



Where does the money for these war toys come from?*smile*



Dude, I know it blows your mind that our country is actually one of the richest countries in the world.

Not according to the imf, the world bank and the united nations which rate it at #36.#38 and #36


Our government is 300 billion in surpluses every year. How they make our money grow?

By theft as has been documented


I don't know,

That is quite obvious to the most casual observer.



Money also come from fines, other taxes, like GST, Road Tax, Erp, etc. 17% of our country are millionaires, I guess 20% of their income, is bringing us good money too. Cars bring in alot of good money too. It cost 80k to buy a car license to own a car for 10 years. So we got shitloads of cars,

No you do not. You only have about a million cars in a country of five million.


Plain clothes officers everywhere.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/19/2015 7:55:35 AM   
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Let's put it short and sweet for you libtarded fuckers out there. If France which is a very liberal country isn't letting the fucks in anymore why the hell should we? No Muslim country is taking in refugees why the fuck should we? The more Muslims the more no go zones! There are several in france, Belgium, Germany,England and Holland that I know of. The pandemic is real. I will not vote for some moron trying to make the same mistakes Europe made! Would you jump from a bridge because someone else did?

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/19/2015 8:10:38 AM   
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Let's put it short and sweet for you libtarded fuckers out there. If France which is a very liberal country isn't letting the fucks in anymore why the hell should we?
Im sorry what part of 30,000 syrian refugees going to france over the next two years dont you understand.
Across the Atlantic, amid reports that one of the Paris attackers entered Europe as part of the wave of Syrians fleeing civil war, French President Francois Hollande declared war on ISIS, but reiterated his country's "humanitarian duty" to welcome 30,000 refugees over the next two years.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/world/paris-attacks-us-france-refugees/
French President Francois Hollande Welcomes Refugees Despite Paris Attack
http://abcnews.go.com/International/french-president-francois-hollande-welcomes-refugees-paris-attack/story?id=35274658

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

The more Muslims the more no go zones! There are several in france, Belgium, Germany,England and Holland that I know of. your personal anecdote proves nothing.
The pandemic is real. I will not vote for some moron trying to make the same mistakes Europe made! Would you jump from a bridge because someone else did?

given your worldview, you only have morons to vote for. Im sorry for you.

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May be true but all the weapons supplying started in the Obama administration. Because he's a "pussy" and doesn't like to get his hands dirty. And what treaty is there to honor if the region isn't even stable? Treaty with who? Fucking England? Like the colonel said Obama bin laden is a pussy, and he's purposely letting Isis take control. He's a fucking muzzie and probably in bed with Isis! Syria can keep their fake ass refugees and I hope they all enjoy the french and Russian ass fucking they are receiving. First time I can say the french aren't pussies and everyone knows Putin is a bad ass! Hillary, Obama and his whole cabinet should be hung for treason. What happened in Benghazi is unacceptable I don't even know how Hillary is allowed to run for president especially not after she lied about her private email server and tried to hide evidence! At least trump says it like it is, I don't need sugar coated political correctness, Muslims are a threat and until we can sort things out I don't think they should be allowed to come here. And someone said the FBI can't confirm ties to terrorists with that burkah bitch that shot up a CHRISTMAS party... Trained people will not use their computer at home to converse with known terrorists. Also a large number of pipe bombs were found in the home and at the scene. Oh man I'm mad at my coworkers lets take out a 25k loan, buy a few fully automatic assault rifles, go to home depot and buy materials to build a bunch of pipe bombs, go home and build them and then go shoot up my work honey. And her husband says sure that sounds like fun lets do that? How fucking stupid are you people really? If you call that work place violence instead of calling it what it is then I hope you are the next victim of your so called work place violence! The reason the FBI didn't find direct ties is because she was staying under the radar. She was on the terror watchlist! What normal husband and wife know how to build pipe bombs that were set not to kill co workers but first responders? That's classic textbook terrorism! On face book I saw a bunch of libtarded assholes put that french flag thing up just like you did when gays were allowed to get married (which I'm totally cool with BTW, equal rights...) You called it what it is then! Terror! But when shit happens here its blame the gun and workplace violence! I didn't see a single american flag on the Facebook profiles hell some still had the french flag up! Fuck all you assholes and your political correctness! This isn't a time to be a pussy like Obama its time to stand up to that bullshit! Let the Muslim world know once and for all that either they play nice or we will come and take their shit! They will be occupied just like the Germans were until peace finally settled into their thick skulls or they are all dead. I'm sick of all this holywar jihaad bs! It's time to end it! I'm an atheist and even I can see Muslims are up to no good!

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/19/2015 8:48:57 AM   
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LOL. You just keep posting stupid shit upon stupid shit. Thats fucking cretinous a to z.

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RE: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Enterin... - 12/19/2015 9:02:02 AM   
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lmao he is entitled to his opinion, even when he is hoping posters die in an attack...its just a shame that facts and he are utter strangers.

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You wanna see fear campaign? There ya go, here's your " religion of Peace"! A brief view of our friendly neighbors in the last 1400 years! If this doesn't open your eyes I don't know what will! Perhaps we should raid some mosques like Belgium did! Guess what they found?


https://youtu.be/rK7MYvliSnk

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I think the voices in your head are having a mutiny.

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You have no valid facts! Your interpretation of FBI charts seemed to prove that. One minute its 100k then 30k then 6k dead due to guns you still haven't answered which! I've proved that legal drugs kill more people than guns! I proved that car crashes kill more than guns! And guns only kill a tiny fraction of people that heart disease kills! How about we ban burgers you idiots!

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I think you're to stupid to realize what's happening. And I didn't see you prove the FACTS in the last vid I posted wrong! I'd love to see what dumb excuse you make for your muzzie buddies!

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