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Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 12:34:58 AM   
Greta75


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Status: offline 		For weeks, his been tippy toes and also keep saying it's not Islam, it's the perversion of Islam, blah blah blah. But finally his staying some proper things a Commander in Chief should be saying! Tell them off Obama!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/08/report-some-muslims-found-obama-speech-anti-muslim/

That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. This is a real problem that Muslims must confront, without excuse. Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and al Qaeda promote; to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.

Personally, for Obama who has a Muslim father and Step father. For him to say something like this is very difficult and conflicted, so I applaud him! And for once, I believe his on the side of America in this terrorist business.


“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…


As for this Linda Sarsour person, she got to be kidding. We don't have to ask any faith community to stand up and condemn any acts of violence, BECAUSE often they all rise up together and heavily condemn it like so loudly and incredibly. If someone killed in the name of Christianity, worldwide outrage from Christians will be huge! All Christians condemning the act, quoting verses in the bible to say this was not what Jesus want. We don't even have to ask of them.

It's shameful we have to keep being annoyed why there are so many silent majority about this in the Muslim community. And then wanna get defensive about it, about what has it got to do with them.

I feel like first of all, Obama speech was great, because he has finally acknowledged that, these interpretations does come from the Islamic holy text. But his also saying that, to practice such interpretation is not compatible with modern society.

That's exactly how our government says it. And the difference also is that we have Muslim politicians, so we GET THEM to say it to their own Muslim community, it has more power.

US lacks Muslim representatives in politics to help them really make the message very strong. You will have these fundies accusing them of being traitors and stuffs, but when you empower the moderates to fight the extremists in ideology publicly, we will be getting somewhere, seeing influential moderates explain why ISIS is wrong in their interpretation, widely publicized on their news medias.

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 3:54:25 AM   
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“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…


Oh, this is just precious! This woman is complaining about Muslims being called on "to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by [Muslims] within their groups." And, she has worked "extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement." Isn't the BLM movement also chastised for ignoring black on black violence?

LMMFAO!!


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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 4:07:18 AM   
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Holy fuckballs, Batman!! How rich is this?

Oh, this is just precious! This woman is complaining about Muslims being called on "to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by [Muslims] within their groups." And, she has worked "extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement." Isn't the BLM movement also chastised for ignoring black on black violence?

LMMFAO!!

Once again your self rightous bigotry shows itself.
How is it that you can conflate criminal behaviour with warfare?
Are you really that stupid or is this just you being you, pimping the same old shit?

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 4:22:29 AM   
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Personally, for Obama who has a Muslim father and Step father. For him to say something like this is very difficult and conflicted,

Only morons would believe that.

so I applaud him! And for once, I believe his on the side of America in this terrorist business.

It is pretty clear which side you are on.


As for this Linda Sarsour person, she got to be kidding. We don't have to ask any faith community to stand up and condemn any acts of violence, BECAUSE often they all rise up together and heavily condemn it like so loudly and incredibly.

How many of the christian faith have risen up and condemed abortion clinic bombers?...The silence is deafning...


If someone killed in the name of Christianity, worldwide outrage from Christians will be huge! All Christians condemning the act, quoting verses in the bible to say this was not what Jesus want. We don't even have to ask of them.

Christians are in moslem lands doing that and you have not condemed them...That does seem more than a little two faced.

It's shameful we have to keep being annoyed

Since you claim not to be an american how is this annoying you?


I feel like first of all, Obama speech was great, because he has finally acknowledged that, these interpretations does come from the Islamic holy text.

Perhaps you could point out in the text of what you quoted where he says this? Or...is this what you want it to mean?

But his also saying that, to practice such interpretation is not compatible with modern society.

That's exactly how our government says it. And the difference also is that we have Muslim politicians, so we GET THEM

As you have pointed out that is the nazi way.


to say it to their own Muslim community, it has more power.
You have been given many links to muslim authorities condeming these folks but you ignore them...why?


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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 6:47:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

For weeks, his been tippy toes and also keep saying it's not Islam, it's the perversion of Islam, blah blah blah. But finally his staying some proper things a Commander in Chief should be saying! Tell them off Obama!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/08/report-some-muslims-found-obama-speech-anti-muslim/

That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. This is a real problem that Muslims must confront, without excuse. Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and al Qaeda promote; to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.

Personally, for Obama who has a Muslim father and Step father. For him to say something like this is very difficult and conflicted, so I applaud him! And for once, I believe his on the side of America in this terrorist business.


“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…


As for this Linda Sarsour person, she got to be kidding. We don't have to ask any faith community to stand up and condemn any acts of violence, BECAUSE often they all rise up together and heavily condemn it like so loudly and incredibly. If someone killed in the name of Christianity, worldwide outrage from Christians will be huge! All Christians condemning the act, quoting verses in the bible to say this was not what Jesus want. We don't even have to ask of them.

It's shameful we have to keep being annoyed why there are so many silent majority about this in the Muslim community. And then wanna get defensive about it, about what has it got to do with them.

I feel like first of all, Obama speech was great, because he has finally acknowledged that, these interpretations does come from the Islamic holy text. But his also saying that, to practice such interpretation is not compatible with modern society.

That's exactly how our government says it. And the difference also is that we have Muslim politicians, so we GET THEM to say it to their own Muslim community, it has more power.

US lacks Muslim representatives in politics to help them really make the message very strong. You will have these fundies accusing them of being traitors and stuffs, but when you empower the moderates to fight the extremists in ideology publicly, we will be getting somewhere, seeing influential moderates explain why ISIS is wrong in their interpretation, widely publicized on their news medias.

Yes he finally admitted that there is such a thing as Arab terrorists, and that far from being contained ISIS is a growing threat. Better late than never.

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 9:18:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently, according to a gun store in an article in the newspaper.. every time Obama speaks, gun sales go up.. apparently these new buyers are wanting to "protect themselves".. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than the odds of a terrorist killing you!.. I am not afraid of terrorists or even other people on the street.. I am afraid of idjiot drivers tho... crossing the street is the most dangerous thing imo.. (I have been missed being hit by mere inches several times)..

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 11:39:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
For weeks, his been tippy toes and also keep saying it's not Islam, it's the perversion of Islam, blah blah blah. But finally his staying some proper things a Commander in Chief should be saying! Tell them off Obama!

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/08/report-some-muslims-found-obama-speech-anti-muslim/

That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. This is a real problem that Muslims must confront, without excuse. Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and al Qaeda promote; to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.

Personally, for Obama who has a Muslim father and Step father. For him to say something like this is very difficult and conflicted, so I applaud him! And for once, I believe his on the side of America in this terrorist business.


How is it tough? He's a Christian. He's well aware of extremist religious folks spreading terror and evil onto a population. Or have you forgotten the Klu Klax Klan? Yes, the Klan is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam. Given that Mr. Obama is black and lived in this nation since two years after Hawaii became a state; its not tough to image his viewpoint of history to date. Particularly of racial issues in The South. If we knew then what we know now; people they would have been calling out Christians to take action against Christian extremists (i.e. The Klan).

President Obama has always been on the side of American against terror. Its conservatives, with their demands for lax firearm laws that allow law breakers, criminals and terrorists easy access to arms. Maybe you should focus your fury towards that group of US Citizens? Hold them accountable for their ignorant and foolish decision making skills!

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“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…



This 'piece' comes from breitbart.com. A site....KNOWN....for push conservative ideology onto "The Low Information Voters" in America, i.e. conservative and libertarian voters. Why does the author bring up specifically that Linda Sarsour worked "...extensively..." with the black lives matter movement? Why does that even matter? How about listing all the other organizations she has worked in conjunction with? Because those other organizations are not political 'hot potatoes'. Its used to try to undermine her credibility. That is why the author put the second in. The concept of 'Black Lives Matters' has no direct bearing on Miss Sasour's viewpoint. To put it another way, I need to know from breitbart.com if Miss Sasour likes cake or pie more. Even though cake and pie has nothing to do with her quote, I need to know. Because I like cake....

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As for this Linda Sarsour person, she got to be kidding. We don't have to ask any faith community to stand up and condemn any acts of violence, BECAUSE often they all rise up together and heavily condemn it like so loudly and incredibly. If someone killed in the name of Christianity, worldwide outrage from Christians will be huge! All Christians condemning the act, quoting verses in the bible to say this was not what Jesus want. We don't even have to ask of them.


Like all those abortion clinic bombings? The murdering of doctors and nurses whom performed the surgury? Of prowling and sending threatening calls to these individuals at all hours of the day? Threatening their children even? How about those church members whom had a blind eye while children were raped/molested by priests? Or the 'latest' viewpoint which is to take tax dollars out of social programs meant to help the nation's needy individuals live above the federal poverty level? Yeah, there are plenty of 'christians' doing that; Their in the Republican/Tea Party right now...

Each religion and organization has to always police their own. Otherwise, others will do it.

Recently there was some dude whom invaded a Planned Parenthood clinic armed to the teeth. He injured people. One of the tidbits to come out from all this is Mr. Dear is pro-life. Where are all the pro-life types in condemning this man's actions? Since I do not see them, it must not be happening right? Shortly after 9/11, many Muslims from around the world apologized for the extremists in their ranks. Most Americans did not hear it because they were in the mist of blind rage. Every try to be objective and friendly to someone whom is in the middle of blind rage towards you? Even today, if you asked those conservatives favoring Mr. Trump would have you believe Muslims would never apologize over 9/11.

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It's shameful we have to keep being annoyed why there are so many silent majority about this in the Muslim community. And then wanna get defensive about it, about what has it got to do with them.


Why are Americans silent about lax firearm laws allowing for more mass shootings in the last three years then days on the calendar during the same time frame? Maybe because that vocal minority has more political power than the silent majority? One could find easy parallels between what your asking and the current 'gun culture' in the nation.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
I feel like first of all, Obama speech was great, because he has finally acknowledged that, these interpretations does come from the Islamic holy text. But his also saying that, to practice such interpretation is not compatible with modern society.


Where the fuck have you been for the past seven years? In cave on the planet Mars with a blanket over the whole of your body? Go look up it up in the history books. They guy has been stating it all along....

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That's exactly how our government says it. And the difference also is that we have Muslim politicians, so we GET THEM to say it to their own Muslim community, it has more power.


Just like we have so many 'christian' politicians from the GOP/TP that state we should reduce taxes by reducing social programs meant to help the poor, needy, and vulnerable in society, right? Its Christian to be greedy, selfish, self-centered, bigoted, and hateful, right? Because that's REALLY how those 'christian' politicians behave from the GOP/TP.

There is more power when the influential people without communities state it towards the extremists in each community, of each town/county. Because those are the people whom will be informed by those within the community of someone plotting harm/evil towards others in the nation. Then it is up to those influential people to either take the extremists out of the process or notify law enforcement. Extremists often demand loyalty for this very reason; if one is loyal, they will not snitch or tell the police of their evil campaign of terror and destruction. There are individuals and groups right now that hold very anti-government viewpoints. Two of them created 4/19/95. The Oklahoma City Bombing.

If what you state is true, what are you doing about the problem among conservative extremists?

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
US lacks Muslim representatives in politics to help them really make the message very strong. You will have these fundies accusing them of being traitors and stuffs, but when you empower the moderates to fight the extremists in ideology publicly, we will be getting somewhere, seeing influential moderates explain why ISIS is wrong in their interpretation, widely publicized on their news medias.


Those of the Islamic faith get elected to public office just like everyone else. How many Atheists are in Congress right now? How many of each of the many other faiths (including Jedi) are represented in Congress? Muslims in the nation have stated time and again they are opposed to ISIS. How often does FOX 'news' state the KKK is evil? How often do conservatives running for the GOP nomination state publicly they are opposed to many of the conservative hate groups operating in the nation? Who do you think the American Nazis are more likely to elect if they voted:

A ) Bernie Sanders
B ) Hillary Clinton
C ) Any person elected to the GOP ticket

The hateful in this nation (hateful towards others on the basis of race, creed, sex, etc.) tend to vote Republican and Libertarian right now. They want less laws and systems that are currently in place that make it hard for them to push their ideology.

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 5:49:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
For weeks, his been tippy toes and also keep saying it's not Islam, it's the perversion of Islam, blah blah blah. But finally his staying some proper things a Commander in Chief should be saying! Tell them off Obama!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/08/report-some-muslims-found-obama-speech-anti-muslim/
That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. This is a real problem that Muslims must confront, without excuse. Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and al Qaeda promote; to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.
Personally, for Obama who has a Muslim father and Step father. For him to say something like this is very difficult and conflicted, so I applaud him! And for once, I believe his on the side of America in this terrorist business.

How is it tough? He's a Christian. He's well aware of extremist religious folks spreading terror and evil onto a population. Or have you forgotten the Klu Klax Klan? Yes, the Klan is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam. Given that Mr. Obama is black and lived in this nation since two years after Hawaii became a state; its not tough to image his viewpoint of history to date. Particularly of racial issues in The South. If we knew then what we know now; people they would have been calling out Christians to take action against Christian extremists (i.e. The Klan).


Christians weren't/aren't opposing the KKK? Please cite that.

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President Obama has always been on the side of American against terror. Its conservatives, with their demands for lax firearm laws that allow law breakers, criminals and terrorists easy access to arms. Maybe you should focus your fury towards that group of US Citizens? Hold them accountable for their ignorant and foolish decision making skills!
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…

This 'piece' comes from breitbart.com. A site....KNOWN....for push conservative ideology onto "The Low Information Voters" in America, i.e. conservative and libertarian voters. Why does the author bring up specifically that Linda Sarsour worked "...extensively..." with the black lives matter movement? Why does that even matter? How about listing all the other organizations she has worked in conjunction with? Because those other organizations are not political 'hot potatoes'. Its used to try to undermine her credibility. That is why the author put the second in. The concept of 'Black Lives Matters' has no direct bearing on Miss Sasour's viewpoint. To put it another way, I need to know from breitbart.com if Miss Sasour likes cake or pie more. Even though cake and pie has nothing to do with her quote, I need to know. Because I like cake....


OMFG!!! You are such a partisan, Joether!!! You didn't even read the article!! You and I both know you didn't, else you'd have seen this little snippet:
    quote:

    That has some American Muslims fuming, and complaining that they are being unfairly singled out among other faiths, according to National Public Radio.

    NPR’s Tom Gjelten reports:

      “We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…

      Muslim leaders have heard this before, and some find it a little irritating.


The Breitbart article QUOTES NPR, which is definitely not known for it's rightward lean. Gonna call out NPR for this now, too? LMFAO!!!!

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As for this Linda Sarsour person, she got to be kidding. We don't have to ask any faith community to stand up and condemn any acts of violence, BECAUSE often they all rise up together and heavily condemn it like so loudly and incredibly. If someone killed in the name of Christianity, worldwide outrage from Christians will be huge! All Christians condemning the act, quoting verses in the bible to say this was not what Jesus want. We don't even have to ask of them.

Like all those abortion clinic bombings? The murdering of doctors and nurses whom performed the surgury? Of prowling and sending threatening calls to these individuals at all hours of the day? Threatening their children even? How about those church members whom had a blind eye while children were raped/molested by priests? Or the 'latest' viewpoint which is to take tax dollars out of social programs meant to help the nation's needy individuals live above the federal poverty level? Yeah, there are plenty of 'christians' doing that; Their in the Republican/Tea Party right now...
Each religion and organization has to always police their own. Otherwise, others will do it.
Recently there was some dude whom invaded a Planned Parenthood clinic armed to the teeth. He injured people. One of the tidbits to come out from all this is Mr. Dear is pro-life. Where are all the pro-life types in condemning this man's actions? Since I do not see them, it must not be happening right? Shortly after 9/11, many Muslims from around the world apologized for the extremists in their ranks. Most Americans did not hear it because they were in the mist of blind rage. Every try to be objective and friendly to someone whom is in the middle of blind rage towards you? Even today, if you asked those conservatives favoring Mr. Trump would have you believe Muslims would never apologize over 9/11.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/christians-compared-moderate-muslims-not-speaking-planned-parenthood-shooting/
    quote:

    “Anti-abortion advocates were quick to condemn the shooting” despite the fact that it was “not yet clear what the motives for the attack were and whether Planned Parenthood was the intended target.”


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It's shameful we have to keep being annoyed why there are so many silent majority about this in the Muslim community. And then wanna get defensive about it, about what has it got to do with them.

Why are Americans silent about lax firearm laws allowing for more mass shootings in the last three years then days on the calendar during the same time frame? Maybe because that vocal minority has more political power than the silent majority? One could find easy parallels between what your asking and the current 'gun culture' in the nation.


Ah, yes, a thread, started by someone who might seem to be right-leaning, that actually compliments Obama turns into a gun thread. Nice.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
I feel like first of all, Obama speech was great, because he has finally acknowledged that, these interpretations does come from the Islamic holy text. But his also saying that, to practice such interpretation is not compatible with modern society.

Where the fuck have you been for the past seven years? In cave on the planet Mars with a blanket over the whole of your body? Go look up it up in the history books. They guy has been stating it all along....
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
That's exactly how our government says it. And the difference also is that we have Muslim politicians, so we GET THEM to say it to their own Muslim community, it has more power.

Just like we have so many 'christian' politicians from the GOP/TP that state we should reduce taxes by reducing social programs meant to help the poor, needy, and vulnerable in society, right? Its Christian to be greedy, selfish, self-centered, bigoted, and hateful, right? Because that's REALLY how those 'christian' politicians behave from the GOP/TP.
There is more power when the influential people without communities state it towards the extremists in each community, of each town/county. Because those are the people whom will be informed by those within the community of someone plotting harm/evil towards others in the nation. Then it is up to those influential people to either take the extremists out of the process or notify law enforcement. Extremists often demand loyalty for this very reason; if one is loyal, they will not snitch or tell the police of their evil campaign of terror and destruction. There are individuals and groups right now that hold very anti-government viewpoints. Two of them created 4/19/95. The Oklahoma City Bombing.
If what you state is true, what are you doing about the problem among conservative extremists?


Conservative politicians tend to not think it's the Federal government's duty to provide for all the social programs it does. That doesn't mean they don't support helping the poor, needy and vulnerable. It very easily could mean that they think it's up to private charities and religious institutions to do so.

It's not Congress's job to decide how much money I'm supposed to donate to social welfare programs. That's my right, with my money. It's not charity if it's forced.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75
US lacks Muslim representatives in politics to help them really make the message very strong. You will have these fundies accusing them of being traitors and stuffs, but when you empower the moderates to fight the extremists in ideology publicly, we will be getting somewhere, seeing influential moderates explain why ISIS is wrong in their interpretation, widely publicized on their news medias.

Those of the Islamic faith get elected to public office just like everyone else. How many Atheists are in Congress right now? How many of each of the many other faiths (including Jedi) are represented in Congress? Muslims in the nation have stated time and again they are opposed to ISIS. How often does FOX 'news' state the KKK is evil? How often do conservatives running for the GOP nomination state publicly they are opposed to many of the conservative hate groups operating in the nation? Who do you think the American Nazis are more likely to elect if they voted:
A ) Bernie Sanders
B ) Hillary Clinton
C ) Any person elected to the GOP ticket
The hateful in this nation (hateful towards others on the basis of race, creed, sex, etc.) tend to vote Republican and Libertarian right now. They want less laws and systems that are currently in place that make it hard for them to push their ideology.


I didn't think anyone could make themselves look like a clown as much as you do, Joether. Thank you for providing comic relief.

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 5:58:48 PM   
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How many of the christian faith have risen up and condemed abortion clinic bombers?...The silence is deafning...

I don't expect Christians to protest bombing of abortion clinics because technically, isn't birth control of any kind illegal in Christianity or is it just Catholicism? So to me, it makes sense they don't protest it. I mean abortion is illegal in a catholic country like Philippines, what do ya expect from them about this issue? They don't claim to be pro-abortion. I don't know any pro-abortion christians. I'm like sooo super pro-abortion and I never met a christian who likes abortion. On top of that, Jesus says turn the other cheek, it's glaring obvious that Jesus didn't teach them to bomb abortion clinics.

But Muslims claim to be the Religion of Peace, yet their religious text says otherwise and the people performing atrocities are quoting Quran to justify their actions. Two different matters.

Do abortion clinic bombers quote the bible for their actions? Which verse did they actually use?

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Christians are in moslem lands doing that and you have not condemed them...That does seem more than a little two faced.

Really? Christians in Muslim land are more doing mass genocide of Muslims? No I didn't know that. When did this happen in 2015? A Christian terrorist group in Muslim land destroying Muslims?

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You have been given many links to muslim authorities condeming these folks but you ignore them...why?

Probably because it's not publicised enough to be significant, and not by Muslim people with enough influences. Infact, I wonder why lib medias are more busy condemning anybody on the right to be racist and bigots, than to be making sure they should be publishing every single Muslim authority who condemns terrorism. CNN has alot of power to do that, and they should! Infact, I really want to see more moderates featured on the news, and more open debates about the verses that the terrorists follow. Love to see more moderates openly explaining their version.




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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 8:39:24 PM   
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Seems Carter did something similar to what Trump is proposing. FDR just interned. Hmmmmmmm

And the courts upheld these decisions.


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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 9:07:31 PM   
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Apparently, according to a gun store in an article in the newspaper.. every time Obama speaks, gun sales go up.. apparently these new buyers are wanting to "protect themselves".. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than the odds of a terrorist killing you!.. I am not afraid of terrorists or even other people on the street.. I am afraid of idjiot drivers tho... crossing the street is the most dangerous thing imo.. (I have been missed being hit by mere inches several times)..

In fact, I've had drivers of all stripes tell me it's easier and safer to cross the street in the middle of the block. You only have two directions to worry about. This just weeks after a man did cross just up from a crosswalk, yep...and was killed.

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 9:08:09 PM   
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How many of the christian faith have risen up and condemed abortion clinic bombers?...The silence is deafning...


I don't expect Christians to protest bombing of abortion clinics because technically, isn't birth control of any kind illegal in Christianity or is it just Catholicism?

If you do not know then why open your pie hole? Is it just to spew gysers of ignorant shit?


So to me, it makes sense they don't protest it.

That something makes sense to one who speaks from a position of ignorance is typical of the moronic ass felching you do on a regular bassis.


I mean abortion is illegal in a catholic country like Philippines,

Even a low grade moron would understand I am speaking of the usa...please pull your head out of your ass and read what I post not what you feel you can disagree with.



what do ya expect from them about this issue? They don't claim to be pro-abortion. I don't know any pro-abortion christians.

You do not get out much do you?


I'm like sooo super pro-abortion and I never met a christian who likes abortion. On top of that, Jesus says turn the other cheek, it's glaring obvious that Jesus didn't teach them to bomb abortion clinics.

Jesus beat the shit out of the money changers did he not?


Do abortion clinic bombers quote the bible for their actions? Which verse did they actually use?

Thou shalt not kill...it is one of their commandments.

Christians are in moslem lands doing that and you have not condemed them...That does seem more than a little two faced.

I have one it long loud and again...even a dumbass who needs a grown-up to help them with the big words should have noticed


Really? Christians in Muslim land are more doing mass genocide of Muslims? No I didn't know that. When did this happen in 2015? A Christian terrorist group in Muslim land destroying Muslims?

Usa military is doing a pretty good job of killing muslims dontchathimk?

You have been given many links to muslim authorities condeming these folks but you ignore them...why?







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RE: Good on Obama - 12/9/2015 9:28:11 PM   
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Jesus beat the shit out of the money changers did he not?

Really, he physically personally beat the shit out of them? I never knew Jesus could fight at all.

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Do abortion clinic bombers quote the bible for their actions? Which verse did they actually use?

Thou shalt not kill...it is one of their commandments.

Abortion clinic bombers quotes "thou shan't not kill" and then kill people in abortion clinics.
Muslim Terrorists quote, "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" And they bomb non-muslims locations.

Which one should we have more concern about?

US military goal is to kill all Muslims? Are you kidding? Obama been defending Muslims all these while!

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/10/2015 12:46:33 AM   
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How many of the christian faith have risen up and condemed abortion clinic bombers?...The silence is deafning...

I don't expect Christians to protest bombing of abortion clinics because technically, isn't birth control of any kind illegal in Christianity or is it just Catholicism? So to me, it makes sense they don't protest it. I mean abortion is illegal in a catholic country like Philippines, what do ya expect from them about this issue? They don't claim to be pro-abortion. I don't know any pro-abortion christians. I'm like sooo super pro-abortion and I never met a christian who likes abortion. On top of that, Jesus says turn the other cheek, it's glaring obvious that Jesus didn't teach them to bomb abortion clinics.
But Muslims claim to be the Religion of Peace, yet their religious text says otherwise and the people performing atrocities are quoting Quran to justify their actions. Two different matters.
Do abortion clinic bombers quote the bible for their actions? Which verse did they actually use?


Abortion clinic bombers are overwhelmingly pro life (which is ironic as they have decided to show their support by taking lives). Birth control is banned by Catholicism, but that might be less Scriptural than now. I think the ban goes back to the idea that the more Catholics there are, the more $$ comes in. They might reference that Jesus said to go forth and multiply (not sure if that's the exact phrase used, or which version of the Bible it's from, but, at the very least, it's a paraphrase), but even that doesn't mean you can't ever use birth control.

You don't have to be pro-abortion to oppose and condemn violence against abortion clinics or those that work in them. You just have to be against violence, killing, or "vigilante justice," or supportive of the rule of law, or self-determination. I wouldn't choose abortion if I got a female pregnant (there'd have to lots of 'splainin' as I've been snipped and can't procreate), but I certainly don't believe it's within my authority to decide that for you, or any other woman. This last guy has demonstrated that he's opposed to abortion, rule of law, and self-determination, and in favor of vigilantism, violence, and killing.

Someone who is truly "Pro Life," can't support taking the lives of abortion clinic workers. That's a contradiction. They can support damaging a clinic or protesting in front of a clinic without it being contradictory.

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You have been given many links to muslim authorities condeming these folks but you ignore them...why?

Probably because it's not publicised enough to be significant, and not by Muslim people with enough influences. Infact, I wonder why lib medias are more busy condemning anybody on the right to be racist and bigots, than to be making sure they should be publishing every single Muslim authority who condemns terrorism. CNN has alot of power to do that, and they should! Infact, I really want to see more moderates featured on the news, and more open debates about the verses that the terrorists follow. Love to see more moderates openly explaining their version.


Blood and violence make headlines. It won't sell as many papers or get more "clicks," if it's moderates explaining why the extremists are wrong, using their interpretations of the same text. At the same time, getting in front of a camera and telling the audience that the extremists are wrong in their interpretations doesn't actually stop the terrorists. Until Muslims determine that Islam is actually a religion of peace and that fundamental teaching permeates the Islamic sects, you will continue to have violent Islamic terrorists killing in the name of Islam. I don't think it's a widespread belief, among non-Muslims, that Islam is a religion of violence and that all (or even a majority of) Muslims are bad.

No sane person was calling for attacking all followers of Islam after 9/11. There was a call to go after al Qaeda and bin Laden. The Taliban wasn't deposed for being Islamic, but because they were preventing us from entering Afghanistan to get al Qaeda and bin Laden, or deliver bin Laden to us.

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/10/2015 2:53:45 AM   
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For weeks, his been tippy toes and also keep saying it's not Islam, it's the perversion of Islam, blah blah blah. But finally his staying some proper things a Commander in Chief should be saying! Tell them off Obama!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/08/report-some-muslims-found-obama-speech-anti-muslim/
That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. This is a real problem that Muslims must confront, without excuse. Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and al Qaeda promote; to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.
Personally, for Obama who has a Muslim father and Step father. For him to say something like this is very difficult and conflicted, so I applaud him! And for once, I believe his on the side of America in this terrorist business.

How is it tough? He's a Christian. He's well aware of extremist religious folks spreading terror and evil onto a population. Or have you forgotten the Klu Klax Klan? Yes, the Klan is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam. Given that Mr. Obama is black and lived in this nation since two years after Hawaii became a state; its not tough to image his viewpoint of history to date. Particularly of racial issues in The South. If we knew then what we know now; people they would have been calling out Christians to take action against Christian extremists (i.e. The Klan).


Christians weren't/aren't opposing the KKK? Please cite that.


Its a curious understanding. The relationship between an extremist group and religion as it relates to both Christianity and Islam. ISIS has power and influence because there is not a powerful enough government in place to break down their organization. The KKK have in the past few decades been cut down by law enforcement. From their communications to recruitment. The level of power they once had over towns/counties and even states; was systemically destroyed. ISIS had to deal with a weak or....limited....government in their area of operation(s). Reducing that government to one that works for them and their ideals was not to tough.

However Christians did not see the KKK (before the 1970's) in the same context as we see ISIS to Islam in 2015. If they had, I guess they would have dealt with the KKK swiftly and decisively. Even as the KKK were being demolished, other hate groups were forming. Some of them even hide their 'evils' by calling themselves Militias. They even hijacked the NRA to make it easier for lawbreakers, criminals and terrorists to gain easy access to arms. Helps to spread fear in society....

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President Obama has always been on the side of American against terror. Its conservatives, with their demands for lax firearm laws that allow law breakers, criminals and terrorists easy access to arms. Maybe you should focus your fury towards that group of US Citizens? Hold them accountable for their ignorant and foolish decision making skills!
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“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…

This 'piece' comes from breitbart.com. A site....KNOWN....for push conservative ideology onto "The Low Information Voters" in America, i.e. conservative and libertarian voters. Why does the author bring up specifically that Linda Sarsour worked "...extensively..." with the black lives matter movement? Why does that even matter? How about listing all the other organizations she has worked in conjunction with? Because those other organizations are not political 'hot potatoes'. Its used to try to undermine her credibility. That is why the author put the second in. The concept of 'Black Lives Matters' has no direct bearing on Miss Sasour's viewpoint. To put it another way, I need to know from breitbart.com if Miss Sasour likes cake or pie more. Even though cake and pie has nothing to do with her quote, I need to know. Because I like cake....


OMFG!!! You are such a partisan, Joether!!! You didn't even read the article!! You and I both know you didn't, else you'd have seen this little snippet:
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    That has some American Muslims fuming, and complaining that they are being unfairly singled out among other faiths, according to National Public Radio.


Your a partisan hack too DS. Did you bother to read the NPR article? Let's look at what BreitBart.com stated:

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NPR’s Tom Gjelten reports:

“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…

Muslim leaders have heard this before, and some find it a little irritating.


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"We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups," said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. "The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can't accept."

In his Sunday-night message, the president did say Muslims should not be treated differently, but administration officials say they are looking to the American Muslim community for some particular assistance. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson took that request personally Monday to the All Dulles Area Muslim Society mosque in Sterling, Va.

"I will continue to speak out against the discrimination, vilification and isolation that American Muslims face in these challenging times," Johnson said.

But then came the appeal.

"Now, I have an ask," he said. "It is an ask of the people in this room and all Muslims across the country. Terrorist organizations overseas have targeted your communities. They seek to pull your youth into the pit of violent extremism. Help us to help you stop this."

Muslim leaders have heard this before, and some find it a little irritating.


Notice anything wrong? Breitbart.com deleted sections to push an agenda. Yes, when viewed out of context it does appear like NPR's author is being racist. Yet when viewed in context, the two subject matters are easily explained.

Before you attack someone DS, make sure your 100% sure on the the quote's origins. I'm not even going to post where the article comes from. You can do the search yourself!

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The Breitbart article QUOTES NPR, which is definitely not known for it's rightward lean. Gonna call out NPR for this now, too? LMFAO!!!!


No, they did not. They deleted sections to make it look like what they wanted: That NPR was being racists. Yes, NPR might be dull and boring to listen/read; but they do have journalistic ethics, unlike Breibart.com! What you have trouble with DS, is that anything left of left of extreme right, is extreme left. Reality is there is quite a bit of distance between NPR and say, MSNBC.

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As for this Linda Sarsour person, she got to be kidding. We don't have to ask any faith community to stand up and condemn any acts of violence, BECAUSE often they all rise up together and heavily condemn it like so loudly and incredibly. If someone killed in the name of Christianity, worldwide outrage from Christians will be huge! All Christians condemning the act, quoting verses in the bible to say this was not what Jesus want. We don't even have to ask of them.

Like all those abortion clinic bombings? The murdering of doctors and nurses whom performed the surgury? Of prowling and sending threatening calls to these individuals at all hours of the day? Threatening their children even? How about those church members whom had a blind eye while children were raped/molested by priests? Or the 'latest' viewpoint which is to take tax dollars out of social programs meant to help the nation's needy individuals live above the federal poverty level? Yeah, there are plenty of 'christians' doing that; Their in the Republican/Tea Party right now...
Each religion and organization has to always police their own. Otherwise, others will do it.

Recently there was some dude whom invaded a Planned Parenthood clinic armed to the teeth. He injured people. One of the tidbits to come out from all this is Mr. Dear is pro-life. Where are all the pro-life types in condemning this man's actions? Since I do not see them, it must not be happening right? Shortly after 9/11, many Muslims from around the world apologized for the extremists in their ranks. Most Americans did not hear it because they were in the mist of blind rage. Every try to be objective and friendly to someone whom is in the middle of blind rage towards you? Even today, if you asked those conservatives favoring Mr. Trump would have you believe Muslims would never apologize over 9/11.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/christians-compared-moderate-muslims-not-speaking-planned-parenthood-shooting/
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    “Anti-abortion advocates were quick to condemn the shooting” despite the fact that it was “not yet clear what the motives for the attack were and whether Planned Parenthood was the intended target.”



Not clear on the guy's motivates? He had guns, was pro-life, went on a shooting spree at Planned Parenthood, had anti-government viewpoints in his apartment. How much more evidence does one need to define a motive here? But dont worry, he's an 'Honest and Law Abiding' gun owner currently going through the justice system on his way to trial. Until he is found guilty either by admitting so before a judge or found guilty by jury; he's an "Honest and Law Abiding" Gun Owner. Not something gun owners want to be lumped in with; but then, the NRA isn't known from its long-term-planning of phrases....

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It's shameful we have to keep being annoyed why there are so many silent majority about this in the Muslim community. And then wanna get defensive about it, about what has it got to do with them.

Why are Americans silent about lax firearm laws allowing for more mass shootings in the last three years then days on the calendar during the same time frame? Maybe because that vocal minority has more political power than the silent majority? One could find easy parallels between what your asking and the current 'gun culture' in the nation.


Ah, yes, a thread, started by someone who might seem to be right-leaning, that actually compliments Obama turns into a gun thread. Nice.


Its called 'Making an analogy'. Its were we compare one thing to another in a better context. That way the first item is not so mystifying to understand. That you thought I was pushing a gun thread shows you did not get the subtle action I was making.

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I feel like first of all, Obama speech was great, because he has finally acknowledged that, these interpretations does come from the Islamic holy text. But his also saying that, to practice such interpretation is not compatible with modern society.

Where the fuck have you been for the past seven years? In cave on the planet Mars with a blanket over the whole of your body? Go look up it up in the history books. They guy has been stating it all along....
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That's exactly how our government says it. And the difference also is that we have Muslim politicians, so we GET THEM to say it to their own Muslim community, it has more power.

Just like we have so many 'christian' politicians from the GOP/TP that state we should reduce taxes by reducing social programs meant to help the poor, needy, and vulnerable in society, right? Its Christian to be greedy, selfish, self-centered, bigoted, and hateful, right? Because that's REALLY how those 'christian' politicians behave from the GOP/TP.
There is more power when the influential people without communities state it towards the extremists in each community, of each town/county. Because those are the people whom will be informed by those within the community of someone plotting harm/evil towards others in the nation. Then it is up to those influential people to either take the extremists out of the process or notify law enforcement. Extremists often demand loyalty for this very reason; if one is loyal, they will not snitch or tell the police of their evil campaign of terror and destruction. There are individuals and groups right now that hold very anti-government viewpoints. Two of them created 4/19/95. The Oklahoma City Bombing.
If what you state is true, what are you doing about the problem among conservative extremists?


Conservative politicians tend to not think it's the Federal government's duty to provide for all the social programs it does. That doesn't mean they don't support helping the poor, needy and vulnerable. It very easily could mean that they think it's up to private charities and religious institutions to do so.


Yeah, because if that was true, they (the Republican/Tea Party) wouldn't be trying to defund the Affordable Care Act 50+ times, right? In fact, they would not only take the ACA but argue to make it work better for Americans and not the filthy rich corporations, right?

Private charities and religious institutions can not handle the enormous problem this nation has with concerns of the poor, ill, old, young, and vulnerable. They simply do not have the 'Scale of Economies' that the United States of America can leverage. Nor can they make laws, thereby granting better abilities of those in need with better resources. Ever heard of the concept 'buying in bulk'? That's the simpleton understanding of the 'Scale of Economies'. Take any 50 charities on the political right and stack them up against the buying power of the United States of America; who do you think can bring more help to those that need it?

Or have you not notice what happens immediately after all those hurricanes that damage the East Coast? The US Government can drop a cool $15 billion without blinking an eye on the budget. Can the top 100 Republican/Tea Party oriented charities/religious groups funnel that much money, so easily, towards to many people in need? No they can not. They do not have the systems, logistics, or infrastructure to handle the many tasks that FEMA and other agencies handle. Yes, the US Government is not perfect, but do a better job than the individual charities/religious organizations any day of the year!

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It's not Congress's job to decide how much money I'm supposed to donate to social welfare programs. That's my right, with my money. It's not charity if it's forced.


Actually it *IS* Congress's job to determine how much money you might donate to social welfare programs. A tax is simply a 'forced donation'. Your 'right' with your money? Last I checked all the bills printed in the United States that are US Dollars are the property of the government, not you! Therefore your merely holding on to a concept in place of a good when making transactions with another entity. Yes, currency replaced the barter system a long time ago; try to get with the times DS!

See there are people that have a different viewpoint from you: They think all people, should pay a level of tax according to how much they earn in a given year. Currently those people out number the group of people that think "limited government is better for America" by a wide margin. You have as much 'say' in how the US Government uses the money; you even have a representative to bitch at!

By your way of thinking, you would spread more misery to a greater section of Americans; never realizing until its to late how wrong you have been in the viewpoint. Question is, would you be able to 'man up' to everyone on your thought process? Or simply slink back into the shadows?

BTW how do you know your tax dollars went to paying for social programs? For all you know, it went to buying toilet paper so some black guys can wipe their asses while serving aboard a US Carrier?

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US lacks Muslim representatives in politics to help them really make the message very strong. You will have these fundies accusing them of being traitors and stuffs, but when you empower the moderates to fight the extremists in ideology publicly, we will be getting somewhere, seeing influential moderates explain why ISIS is wrong in their interpretation, widely publicized on their news medias.

Those of the Islamic faith get elected to public office just like everyone else. How many Atheists are in Congress right now? How many of each of the many other faiths (including Jedi) are represented in Congress? Muslims in the nation have stated time and again they are opposed to ISIS. How often does FOX 'news' state the KKK is evil? How often do conservatives running for the GOP nomination state publicly they are opposed to many of the conservative hate groups operating in the nation? Who do you think the American Nazis are more likely to elect if they voted:
A ) Bernie Sanders
B ) Hillary Clinton
C ) Any person elected to the GOP ticket
The hateful in this nation (hateful towards others on the basis of race, creed, sex, etc.) tend to vote Republican and Libertarian right now. They want less laws and systems that are currently in place that make it hard for them to push their ideology.


I didn't think anyone could make themselves look like a clown as much as you do, Joether. Thank you for providing comic relief.


A clown for stating truth in an effort to correct another person's viewpoints?

Since if its being a clown to make a good argument in an effort to sway other people's viewpoints on something; then you just insulted the whole of humanity trying to make the world a better place. To the dumb down the words to a level you'll understand better: you just stated that the Founding Fathers are all clowns for creating the concept of the United States of America.

The only clown here is you DS. For not stopping and thinking on what you were saying. What you stated did in no way sway opinion or viewpoint. Since much of your 'arguments' in this piece were based on falsehoods and uninformed understandings.

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/10/2015 8:35:54 AM   
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Apparently, according to a gun store in an article in the newspaper.. every time Obama speaks, gun sales go up.. apparently these new buyers are wanting to "protect themselves".. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than the odds of a terrorist killing you!.. I am not afraid of terrorists or even other people on the street.. I am afraid of idjiot drivers tho... crossing the street is the most dangerous thing imo.. (I have been missed being hit by mere inches several times)..

In fact, I've had drivers of all stripes tell me it's easier and safer to cross the street in the middle of the block. You only have two directions to worry about. This just weeks after a man did cross just up from a crosswalk, yep...and was killed.

I have done both but one of the crosswalks I have almost been killed at recently was an All-stop (4-way stop) crosswalk, the idiot stopped for traffic, waited his (or her) turn, then stepped on the gas turning left almost hitting me, he then stopped a 100 feet away after realizing he almost killed me.. FFS, he stopped, saw other cars, waited and then didnt notice me??? Thats a problem with drivers all over the place, they come out of a parking lot and dont even think there could be pedestrians, or they are looking only one direction the entire time cuz thats where there other cars are coming from but the idjiots dont think about pedestrians (or cyclists)..

About crossing in the middle of the street, I do that a lot too but i wait until I time the traffic both directions.. what absolutely bugs the arse off me is the driver that sees me and stops!!! in the middle of the street impeding other drivers and making it much more dangerous for me to cross (due to impatient, unaware drivers behind him and in other lanes).. gawd that bugs the arse off me..

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RE: Good on Obama - 12/10/2015 3:00:00 PM   
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For weeks, his been tippy toes and also keep saying it's not Islam, it's the perversion of Islam, blah blah blah. But finally his staying some proper things a Commander in Chief should be saying! Tell them off Obama!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/08/report-some-muslims-found-obama-speech-anti-muslim/
That does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread within some Muslim communities. This is a real problem that Muslims must confront, without excuse. Muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like ISIL and al Qaeda promote; to speak out against not just acts of violence, but also those interpretations of Islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect, and human dignity.
Personally, for Obama who has a Muslim father and Step father. For him to say something like this is very difficult and conflicted, so I applaud him! And for once, I believe his on the side of America in this terrorist business.

How is it tough? He's a Christian. He's well aware of extremist religious folks spreading terror and evil onto a population. Or have you forgotten the Klu Klax Klan? Yes, the Klan is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam. Given that Mr. Obama is black and lived in this nation since two years after Hawaii became a state; its not tough to image his viewpoint of history to date. Particularly of racial issues in The South. If we knew then what we know now; people they would have been calling out Christians to take action against Christian extremists (i.e. The Klan).

Christians weren't/aren't opposing the KKK? Please cite that.

Its a curious understanding. The relationship between an extremist group and religion as it relates to both Christianity and Islam. ISIS has power and influence because there is not a powerful enough government in place to break down their organization. The KKK have in the past few decades been cut down by law enforcement. From their communications to recruitment. The level of power they once had over towns/counties and even states; was systemically destroyed. ISIS had to deal with a weak or....limited....government in their area of operation(s). Reducing that government to one that works for them and their ideals was not to tough.
However Christians did not see the KKK (before the 1970's) in the same context as we see ISIS to Islam in 2015. If they had, I guess they would have dealt with the KKK swiftly and decisively. Even as the KKK were being demolished, other hate groups were forming. Some of them even hide their 'evils' by calling themselves Militias. They even hijacked the NRA to make it easier for lawbreakers, criminals and terrorists to gain easy access to arms. Helps to spread fear in society....


Aaaaand, no citation for the drivel you posted.

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President Obama has always been on the side of American against terror. Its conservatives, with their demands for lax firearm laws that allow law breakers, criminals and terrorists easy access to arms. Maybe you should focus your fury towards that group of US Citizens? Hold them accountable for their ignorant and foolish decision making skills!
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“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…

This 'piece' comes from breitbart.com. A site....KNOWN....for push conservative ideology onto "The Low Information Voters" in America, i.e. conservative and libertarian voters. Why does the author bring up specifically that Linda Sarsour worked "...extensively..." with the black lives matter movement? Why does that even matter? How about listing all the other organizations she has worked in conjunction with? Because those other organizations are not political 'hot potatoes'. Its used to try to undermine her credibility. That is why the author put the second in. The concept of 'Black Lives Matters' has no direct bearing on Miss Sasour's viewpoint. To put it another way, I need to know from breitbart.com if Miss Sasour likes cake or pie more. Even though cake and pie has nothing to do with her quote, I need to know. Because I like cake....

OMFG!!! You are such a partisan, Joether!!! You didn't even read the article!! You and I both know you didn't, else you'd have seen this little snippet:
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    That has some American Muslims fuming, and complaining that they are being unfairly singled out among other faiths, according to National Public Radio.

Your a partisan hack too DS. Did you bother to read the NPR article? Let's look at what BreitBart.com stated:
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NPR’s Tom Gjelten reports:
“We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups,” said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. “The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can’t accept.”…
Muslim leaders have heard this before, and some find it a little irritating.

Now for NPR's author:
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"We would never ask any other faith community to stand up and condemn acts of violence committed by people within their groups," said Palestinian-American activist Linda Sarsour, who has worked extensively with the Black Lives Matter movement and other minority groups. "The fact that this is only directed at the Muslim community is something that I personally can't accept."
In his Sunday-night message, the president did say Muslims should not be treated differently, but administration officials say they are looking to the American Muslim community for some particular assistance. Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson took that request personally Monday to the All Dulles Area Muslim Society mosque in Sterling, Va.
"I will continue to speak out against the discrimination, vilification and isolation that American Muslims face in these challenging times," Johnson said.
But then came the appeal.
"Now, I have an ask," he said. "It is an ask of the people in this room and all Muslims across the country. Terrorist organizations overseas have targeted your communities. They seek to pull your youth into the pit of violent extremism. Help us to help you stop this."
Muslim leaders have heard this before, and some find it a little irritating.

Notice anything wrong? Breitbart.com deleted sections to push an agenda. Yes, when viewed out of context it does appear like NPR's author is being racist. Yet when viewed in context, the two subject matters are easily explained.
Before you attack someone DS, make sure your 100% sure on the the quote's origins. I'm not even going to post where the article comes from. You can do the search yourself!


LMAO!!! Push an agenda? You claimed Breitbart had no reason to bring up the woman's work with BLM. It was you that said the author put it in to undermine Sarzour's credibility. Yet, it wasn't Breitbart that brought it up, but NPR. Now, you go on some rant about the way Breitbart editing the quote to make the NPR person look racist. WTF?!? You were just blaming Breitbart about bringing it up, making it seem like they were being racist for bringing it up, but once you found out they were quoting NPR? It's no longer racist, but just Breitbart trying to make it look like the NPR host is racist.

It's racist of Breitbart for even bringing it into the article, until it wasn't Breitbart bringing it in, and then, it's racist of Breitbart for trying to portray the NPR host as racist for bringing it in.

Waffle much?

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The Breitbart article QUOTES NPR, which is definitely not known for it's rightward lean. Gonna call out NPR for this now, too? LMFAO!!!!

No, they did not. They deleted sections to make it look like what they wanted: That NPR was being racists. Yes, NPR might be dull and boring to listen/read; but they do have journalistic ethics, unlike Breibart.com! What you have trouble with DS, is that anything left of left of extreme right, is extreme left. Reality is there is quite a bit of distance between NPR and say, MSNBC.


So, the reason Breitbart quoted NPR at all, was to make NPR look racist?!? LMFAO!!! Nowhere was racism being brought about by anyone... except you.

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As for this Linda Sarsour person, she got to be kidding. We don't have to ask any faith community to stand up and condemn any acts of violence, BECAUSE often they all rise up together and heavily condemn it like so loudly and incredibly. If someone killed in the name of Christianity, worldwide outrage from Christians will be huge! All Christians condemning the act, quoting verses in the bible to say this was not what Jesus want. We don't even have to ask of them.

Like all those abortion clinic bombings? The murdering of doctors and nurses whom performed the surgury? Of prowling and sending threatening calls to these individuals at all hours of the day? Threatening their children even? How about those church members whom had a blind eye while children were raped/molested by priests? Or the 'latest' viewpoint which is to take tax dollars out of social programs meant to help the nation's needy individuals live above the federal poverty level? Yeah, there are plenty of 'christians' doing that; Their in the Republican/Tea Party right now...
Each religion and organization has to always police their own. Otherwise, others will do it.
Recently there was some dude whom invaded a Planned Parenthood clinic armed to the teeth. He injured people. One of the tidbits to come out from all this is Mr. Dear is pro-life. Where are all the pro-life types in condemning this man's actions? Since I do not see them, it must not be happening right? Shortly after 9/11, many Muslims from around the world apologized for the extremists in their ranks. Most Americans did not hear it because they were in the mist of blind rage. Every try to be objective and friendly to someone whom is in the middle of blind rage towards you? Even today, if you asked those conservatives favoring Mr. Trump would have you believe Muslims would never apologize over 9/11.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/christians-compared-moderate-muslims-not-speaking-planned-parenthood-shooting/
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    “Anti-abortion advocates were quick to condemn the shooting” despite the fact that it was “not yet clear what the motives for the attack were and whether Planned Parenthood was the intended target.”

Not clear on the guy's motivates? He had guns, was pro-life, went on a shooting spree at Planned Parenthood, had anti-government viewpoints in his apartment. How much more evidence does one need to define a motive here? But dont worry, he's an 'Honest and Law Abiding' gun owner currently going through the justice system on his way to trial. Until he is found guilty either by admitting so before a judge or found guilty by jury; he's an "Honest and Law Abiding" Gun Owner. Not something gun owners want to be lumped in with; but then, the NRA isn't known from its long-term-planning of phrases....

So, the quote that "Anti-abortion advocates were quick to condemn the shooting" even before motive was known (so, no one could actually go into an abortion clinic to say, kill a cheating lover? The only reason someone shoots up an abortion clinic is to protest abortions? Seriously? Just so we're clear, I"m not saying this guy wasn't a nutcase anti-abortion terrorist. What I am saying is the article was quoted as saying that anti-abortion activists condemn the shooting even before it was known why this guy went on the rampage. The quote is counter to your claims.

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It's shameful we have to keep being annoyed why there are so many silent majority about this in the Muslim community. And then wanna get defensive about it, about what has it got to do with them.

Why are Americans silent about lax firearm laws allowing for more mass shootings in the last three years then days on the calendar during the same time frame? Maybe because that vocal minority has more political power than the silent majority? One could find easy parallels between what your asking and the current 'gun culture' in the nation.

Ah, yes, a thread, started by someone who might seem to be right-leaning, that actually compliments Obama turns into a gun thread. Nice.

Its called 'Making an analogy'. Its were we compare one thing to another in a better context. That way the first item is not so mystifying to understand. That you thought I was pushing a gun thread shows you did not get the subtle action I was making.


There was no need to bring a gun analogy into it, and you know it. The only reason you do that is because it's one of your few strategies: racism, "did you even read the ACA?," GOP/TP/Libertarians/Conservatives/anyonewhodisagreeswithme is evil, GUNS!!!, etc.

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I feel like first of all, Obama speech was great, because he has finally acknowledged that, these interpretations does come from the Islamic holy text. But his also saying that, to practice such interpretation is not compatible with modern society.

Where the fuck have you been for the past seven years? In cave on the planet Mars with a blanket over the whole of your body? Go look up it up in the history books. They guy has been stating it all along....
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That's exactly how our government says it. And the difference also is that we have Muslim politicians, so we GET THEM to say it to their own Muslim community, it has more power.

Just like we have so many 'christian' politicians from the GOP/TP that state we should reduce taxes by reducing social programs meant to help the poor, needy, and vulnerable in society, right? Its Christian to be greedy, selfish, self-centered, bigoted, and hateful, right? Because that's REALLY how those 'christian' politicians behave from the GOP/TP.
There is more power when the influential people without communities state it towards the extremists in each community, of each town/county. Because those are the people whom will be informed by those within the community of someone plotting harm/evil towards others in the nation. Then it is up to those influential people to either take the extremists out of the process or notify law enforcement. Extremists often demand loyalty for this very reason; if one is loyal, they will not snitch or tell the police of their evil campaign of terror and destruction. There are individuals and groups right now that hold very anti-government viewpoints. Two of them created 4/19/95. The Oklahoma City Bombing.
If what you state is true, what are you doing about the problem among conservative extremists?

Conservative politicians tend to not think it's the Federal government's duty to provide for all the social programs it does. That doesn't mean they don't support helping the poor, needy and vulnerable. It very easily could mean that they think it's up to private charities and religious institutions to do so.

Yeah, because if that was true, they (the Republican/Tea Party) wouldn't be trying to defund the Affordable Care Act 50+ times, right? In fact, they would not only take the ACA but argue to make it work better for Americans and not the filthy rich corporations, right?


Hey, dipshit, if it's not within the Federal government's duty to provide for health insurance, then, yes, they'd be working to repeal Obamacare. Der....

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Private charities and religious institutions can not handle the enormous problem this nation has with concerns of the poor, ill, old, young, and vulnerable. They simply do not have the 'Scale of Economies' that the United States of America can leverage. Nor can they make laws, thereby granting better abilities of those in need with better resources. Ever heard of the concept 'buying in bulk'? That's the simpleton understanding of the 'Scale of Economies'. Take any 50 charities on the political right and stack them up against the buying power of the United States of America; who do you think can bring more help to those that need it?


How do you know charity can't keep up? Got any proof?

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Or have you not notice what happens immediately after all those hurricanes that damage the East Coast? The US Government can drop a cool $15 billion without blinking an eye on the budget. Can the top 100 Republican/Tea Party oriented charities/religious groups funnel that much money, so easily, towards to many people in need? No they can not. They do not have the systems, logistics, or infrastructure to handle the many tasks that FEMA and other agencies handle. Yes, the US Government is not perfect, but do a better job than the individual charities/religious organizations any day of the year!


It doesn't matter, Joether. Can't you see that? If someone doesn't believe it's within the government's authority, then they're not going to be all gung ho about government doing it.

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It's not Congress's job to decide how much money I'm supposed to donate to social welfare programs. That's my right, with my money. It's not charity if it's forced.

Actually it *IS* Congress's job to determine how much money you might donate to social welfare programs. A tax is simply a 'forced donation'. Your 'right' with your money? Last I checked all the bills printed in the United States that are US Dollars are the property of the government, not you! Therefore your merely holding on to a concept in place of a good when making transactions with another entity. Yes, currency replaced the barter system a long time ago; try to get with the times DS!


It's not donating, if it's forced, Joether. I'm with the times, Joether. I use currency, whether it be digital or material. And, yes, Joetehr, it is MY money to spend how I choose. I understand, acknowledge, and agree there is a price to be paid for the services of government, and I don't have a problem with being taxed for that. I do have a problem with government taxing me for services I don't believe government has the authority to provide.

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See there are people that have a different viewpoint from you: They think all people, should pay a level of tax according to how much they earn in a given year. Currently those people out number the group of people that think "limited government is better for America" by a wide margin. You have as much 'say' in how the US Government uses the money; you even have a representative to bitch at!
By your way of thinking, you would spread more misery to a greater section of Americans; never realizing until its to late how wrong you have been in the viewpoint. Question is, would you be able to 'man up' to everyone on your thought process? Or simply slink back into the shadows?
BTW how do you know your tax dollars went to paying for social programs? For all you know, it went to buying toilet paper so some black guys can wipe their asses while serving aboard a US Carrier?


It all goes into and out of the same pot, Joether. And, why did you have to bring up an example of a black man? I work with black males, black females, Hispanic males, hispanic females, white males, white females, and an Asian woman. I get along with everyone, and have no issue with anyone based on their skin color. I have issues with the blacks, Hispanics, and whites who have shitty work ethiscs. Best man at my wedding was a black man. Been my best friend or one of my two best friends since I was in 7th grade. But, I'm a Conservative and self-labeled Libertarian, so I must be a racist, right?

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US lacks Muslim representatives in politics to help them really make the message very strong. You will have these fundies accusing them of being traitors and stuffs, but when you empower the moderates to fight the extremists in ideology publicly, we will be getting somewhere, seeing influential moderates explain why ISIS is wrong in their interpretation, widely publicized on their news medias.

Those of the Islamic faith get elected to public office just like everyone else. How many Atheists are in Congress right now? How many of each of the many other faiths (including Jedi) are represented in Congress? Muslims in the nation have stated time and again they are opposed to ISIS. How often does FOX 'news' state the KKK is evil? How often do conservatives running for the GOP nomination state publicly they are opposed to many of the conservative hate groups operating in the nation? Who do you think the American Nazis are more likely to elect if they voted:
A ) Bernie Sanders
B ) Hillary Clinton
C ) Any person elected to the GOP ticket
The hateful in this nation (hateful towards others on the basis of race, creed, sex, etc.) tend to vote Republican and Libertarian right now. They want less laws and systems that are currently in place that make it hard for them to push their ideology.

I didn't think anyone could make themselves look like a clown as much as you do, Joether. Thank you for providing comic relief.

A clown for stating truth in an effort to correct another person's viewpoints?
Since if its being a clown to make a good argument in an effort to sway other people's viewpoints on something; then you just insulted the whole of humanity trying to make the world a better place. To the dumb down the words to a level you'll understand better: you just stated that the Founding Fathers are all clowns for creating the concept of the United States of America.
The only clown here is you DS. For not stopping and thinking on what you were saying. What you stated did in no way sway opinion or viewpoint. Since much of your 'arguments' in this piece were based on falsehoods and uninformed understandings.


The uninformed understandings were yours, and so were the falsehoods. My arguments weren't based on them, they were opposed to them. You are a clown, Joether.

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What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
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