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Greta75 -> Freedom of Religion (12/16/2015 5:51:28 AM)
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There is a popular moderate Muslim site called "answering christianity", it's suppose to be the GO TO site, to debunk all the misconception about Islam and prove that Islam is indeed the Religion of Peace.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/apostates.htm
So anyway, I was just curious about what moderate muslims nowadays come up with to try to say to justify why so many Muslims countries criminalise Muslims from leaving Islam.
This is what I found.
First of all, to be fair, they found this wonderful verse in the Quran which says, "Let there be no compulsion in religion.", but it's quite funny because what comes right after is how those who do not believe are gonna rot and burn in hell! Haha! Okay fine! That's just like Christians. Punishment after death. Sounds good to me!
After making me feel happy there is hope that there is such a verse in there for modernization. He completely destroys it by saying this:
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Some group of Muslims believe in killing apostates because they follow a Hadith (Saying) from Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him regarding the apostates. While Islam was weak and still growing among Jews, Christians and Pagans, Muslims did not have the full and complete religion that they needed. Some Jews and Christians wanted to take advantage of such situation to destroy Islam. They had a plan to adopt Islam first and then desert it, thus creating the impression that Islam was not a religion worth adopting.
Let us look at Noble Verse 3:72 "A section of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) say: Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers (Muslims), but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may (themselves) turn back (from Islam)." To protect Islam from such Satanic attempts done by a group of the people of the book (Jews and Christians), Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him ordered the death of those who enter Islam and leave it. This temporary law that was put by our Prophet had stopped the hypocrites from the People of the Book who carried so much hatred toward Islam to enter Islam and desert it afterwards.
First of all, he thinks Muhammad is perfectly just and right in ordering the killing of pagans, christians and jews, who falsely entered Islam, just to leave the religion to encourage mass leaving of the religion?? He feels there is absolutely nothing wrong with this????? Did those Jews, Pagans, Christians physically attack the Muslims? No. They were peaceful. They did it in a peaceful manner. They were simply convincing people that his ideology is not the right ideology to follow. What's wrong with that?
Am I gonna kill anybody who convince my followers to turn away from the religion I created? How is this acceptable? It looks like according to him, I should be killed according to Muhammad. Since here I am convincing Muslims to leave Islam. And I have been doing that. So I sure hell ain't supporting a religion that is advocating death to me, just because I actively verbally convince Muslims to leave. I've even been a fake christian before, gosh, I should be thankful Christians didn't slaughter me for it!
BIG FAIL here! On moderate arguments! He really cannot deny that Hadith though, that's the problem. Even if it's not written in the Quran, Hadith is seen as authentic as the Quran for clearer information.
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As we clearly see from the Noble Verses above, apostates are no longer to be killed in Islam. I am not here promoting apostates, but there is no reason to kill someone who doesn't deserve to be killed. Certainly if the apostate is hostile toward the Muslims and joins the enemy in a war against them, or tries to corrupt the Muslims in the Muslim lands by trying to convert them to his/her new deviant religion, then the matter becomes different. But if a Westerner today for instance embraces Islam for a while and then changes his position due to the overwhelming false anti-Islamic media, then certainly killing that person would be a grave sin and a big mistake.
This was his final conclusion, that he does not advocate killing of apostates, UNLESS they try to corrupt Muslims in Muslims land by converting them. I mean, fair enough, if they physically attack you, and want to physically hurt you, do defend yourself. But to go after those who want to verbally spread their religion in their lands? Come on! That's not Freedom of Religion. We allow Muslims to spread Islam in our lands and convert our people.
On top of this, he specifically mentioned, it's okay for western people to join Islam and then choose to leave. Why only specifically mention western people? What about born Muslims in Muslim countries? He didn't dare confirm that they could leave without consequences.
I am still not convinced there is freedom of religion in Islam. For me, on top of all their anti-women policies which will always rub me wrong being a woman, this is the worst part of their religion, is when people can't leave if they want to.
So if I am a bigot towards a religion like this. Then anybody who hates KKK and Nazis are bigots too. Fine. All 3 religions do not believe in freedom.
BTW, I thought I added a fundie Muslim website, and here they explain why "There is no compulsion in Religion" is abrogated in the true interpretation of the Quran in comparison to the moderate explanations which they try to debunk. I always like reading all sides of the argument. I think everyone should.
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