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Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 10:20:43 AM   
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I have been conversing with a women here in collarspace. She appears decent enough but mentions things she misses from the old country. I have asked her to explain but she say's that she does not know. Below are the words and phrases concerned.
Chip Butty, Egg Sarny, gobble the goose, watcha cock,
Adam and Eve it, Dog and Bone, Old Bill, Cock o the North, Slimy Ivy, Toad in the Hole, Frogspawn Pudding, Yackidah, Pigs Trotters, Manicunian, Flowery Dell, Peas Pudding, Half a Crown, Cockaleeky Soup, Licorice allsorts, Everton Mints, Blackpool Rock, Eccles Cakes, Mud Pie, Snagging, Ena's Hairnets, Wack and Judy, Kerb Crawler, Fairy Liquid, Mars Bar Fritters, Knickers, Jellied Eals, Toerag, Goonhilly Downs, Jodrell Bank, Jam Rags, Sassenach Bastard, Bogwood, Knuckle Sandwich, Five Bob, Suffer, Roozer,Brazen Hussey, The smoke, Tin Pan Alley, Slave Ranger, Mutton Chef, Knocker Bockers. There are more but my mind has gone numb. Does anyone have any familiarity which such unusual colloquialisms?
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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 10:22:01 AM   
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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 10:27:04 AM   
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Lol OK but I do not think she meant that organ but was talking of something other than matters of sexual pleasure at the time.

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 10:34:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WHIPPEDHERMIT

I have been conversing with a women here in collarspace. She appears decent enough but mentions things she misses from the old country. I have asked her to explain but she say's that she does not know. Below are the words and phrases concerned.
Chip Butty, Egg Sarny, gobble the goose, watcha cock,
Adam and Eve it, Dog and Bone, Old Bill, Cock o the North, Slimy Ivy, Toad in the Hole, Frogspawn Pudding, Yackidah, Pigs Trotters, Manicunian, Flowery Dell, Peas Pudding, Half a Crown, Cockaleeky Soup, Licorice allsorts, Everton Mints, Blackpool Rock, Eccles Cakes, Mud Pie, Snagging, Ena's Hairnets, Wack and Judy, Kerb Crawler, Fairy Liquid, Mars Bar Fritters, Knickers, Jellied Eals, Toerag, Goonhilly Downs, Jodrell Bank, Jam Rags, Sassenach Bastard, Bogwood, Knuckle Sandwich, Five Bob, Suffer, Roozer,Brazen Hussey, The smoke, Tin Pan Alley, Slave Ranger, Mutton Chef, Knocker Bockers. There are more but my mind has gone numb. Does anyone have any familiarity which such unusual colloquialisms?



The ones I highlighted (and a couple of others. It got tedious) are all dishes I've had from the UK. I would caution that some of them date back long enough to be from the UK Colonial period so they might be heard/known in Australia and Canadia, as well.

Also, the UK and Aussie Land and Canadia have some pretty easy (by American standards) immigration rules (or, they did, anyway) so, this person could be from one of these places and living in another.



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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 11:40:51 AM   
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ok...from memory. I could be wrong, since I havent lived in the UK for donkeys years.
but here goes.
Chip Butty= English chips, fries) in between two slices of bread and butter.
Egg Sarny = Fried egg between two slices of bread.
watcha cock= Hello friend, mate( wotcha cock is the right spelling)
Adam and Eve it= Believe it (as in "would you adam and eve it", =would you believe it
Dog and Bone= Phone=cockney slang
Old Bill= police,
Toad in the Hole= Sausages in batter...quite yummy with gravy and veggies.
Frogspawn Pudding= tapioca pudding in creamy sauce, tiny looks like frogspawn.
Yackidah= something welsh people are supposed to say a lot.
Pigs Trotters=the end of pigs legs
Manicunian= I think you mean mancunian, someone from manchester.
Peas Pudding= pease pudding, lentil like side dish, usually comes with ham if you are lucky
Half a Crown= 2 shillings and sixpence in old english money, worth 12 and a half pence, before 1972
Cockaleeky Soup= A soup with leeks and chicken broth, usually of a scottish recipe
Licorice allsorts= licorice candy in colourful and tasty colours
Everton Mints= round mint candys in black and white, named for the football club I think.
Blackpool Rock= hard boiled candy that is made with the name of a seaside town running thru the center of it. about 12 inches long and an inch wide, altho you can get smaller and larger.. Best is the mint, but they come in many flavours. Blackpool being a rather awesomely tacky seaside town in the north of england. Had some fun there growing up.
Eccles Cakes= a hand held flaky pastry that is sweet and full of raisins, comes from a town called eccles.
Snagging= now the spelling on this im guessing, is either snogging(kissing) or shagging (fucking) if it IS snagging, then Ive been away from home for too long.
Ena's Hairnets= ENa sharples was a charachter on coronation street who was always shown wearing a hairnet to keep her curlers in place.
Wack and Judy= I would think this is a northern version of punch and judy, a puppet show thru the ages. violent puppets
Kerb Crawler= a drunk using the curb to get home, or where he/ she wants to go.
Fairy Liquid=A dish soap
Mars Bar Fritters= Deep fried mars bar
Knickers= panties, underwear,
Jellied Eals= Eels(the long slippery ones), in gelatin
Toerag= no good piece of shit....you bloody toerag.
Jam Rags= menstrual pads.
Sassenach Bastard=English bastard from a scots point of view
Knuckle Sandwich= punch in the face with five knuckles
Five Bob= Five shillings, a crown, or 25pence. in uk money
Suffer= really what it means... "you think Im a bitch?...suffer"(I dont give a shit)
Roozer=Rozzer? policeman.
Brazen Hussey= victorian term for woman of free virtue
The smoke= London
Tin Pan Alley, not an english term, its american
Slave Ranger= is that possibly sloan ranger? If so its an 80s term for a yuppie
Mutton Chef= mutton jeff or deaf...rhyming slang
Knocker Bockers= knicker bockers? long pantaloons..bloomers. Or knicker bocker glory is a LOT of icecream

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 12:45:29 PM   
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Thank you very much that was most informative. Tin Pan Alley she said was some little side street off Charing cross Road near Oxford Street were Elton John worked in a Guitar Store after he left School.

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 12:47:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WHIPPEDHERMIT

I have been conversing with a women here in collarspace. She appears decent enough but mentions things she misses from the old country. I have asked her to explain but she say's that she does not know. Below are the words and phrases concerned.
Chip Butty, Egg Sarny, gobble the goose, watcha cock,
Adam and Eve it, Dog and Bone, Old Bill, Cock o the North, Slimy Ivy, Toad in the Hole, Frogspawn Pudding, Yackidah, Pigs Trotters, Manicunian, Flowery Dell, Peas Pudding, Half a Crown, Cockaleeky Soup, Licorice allsorts, Everton Mints, Blackpool Rock, Eccles Cakes, Mud Pie, Snagging, Ena's Hairnets, Wack and Judy, Kerb Crawler, Fairy Liquid, Mars Bar Fritters, Knickers, Jellied Eals, Toerag, Goonhilly Downs, Jodrell Bank, Jam Rags, Sassenach Bastard, Bogwood, Knuckle Sandwich, Five Bob, Suffer, Roozer,Brazen Hussey, The smoke, Tin Pan Alley, Slave Ranger, Mutton Chef, Knocker Bockers. There are more but my mind has gone numb. Does anyone have any familiarity which such unusual colloquialisms?

I don't know if you are pulling our chain on a wind-up or if the woman is giving you the runaround.
A lot of these words are typically UK slang terms but are scattered all over the UK so it doesn't make any local sense. Some are typically Scottish, some are northern, some are a rip-off of cockney rhyming slang.
Some are from the US.
Some are dead obvious to most people unless you've been living under a rock all your life.
The last two I just don't know.

Most of this was easily available on Google search or the Urban Dictionary.
But I may be able to translate a lot of it for you......

Food
Chip Butty: Fries in a sandwich.
Egg Sarny (it's actually sarnie): Egg, usually fried and often 'sunny side up', in a sandwich.
Toad in the Hole: Sausages cooked in a Yorkshire Pudding type batter in the oven.
Frogspawn Pudding: Tapioca baked in the oven with milk like rice. We don't usually say the 'pudding' part.
Pigs Trotters: Exactly like it says... Pigs feet. Usually roasted or boiled.
Peas (Pease) Pudding: Yellow split peas, soaked overnight, boiled for a few hours and blitzed to a pulp.
Cock a leeky Soup: Chicken and leek soup. Traditionally from Scotland.
Licorice (Liquorice) allsorts: Assorted liquorice sugar candies sold as a mixture (Bassets & Co).
Everton Mints: The Everton Mint is a traditional British mint best known for its distinctive black and white colouring. The mints were first produced in a Liverpool sweet shop close to Goodison Park, home of football club Everton FC – hence the name.
Blackpool Rock: Sweet candy confectionery first sold in Blackpool and was rock hard.
Eccles Cakes: A small, round cake filled with currants and made from flaky pastry with butter.
Mud Pie: Mississippi mud pie is a chocolate-based dessert pie that is likely to have originated in the U.S. state of Mississippi.
Mars Bar Fritters: a Mars bar (chocolate confectionery) dipped in batter and deep-fried. Originated in Manchester, a north-western city of the UK.
Jellied Eals: Chopped eels boiled in a spiced stock that is allowed to cool and set, forming a jelly. It is eaten cold.

Items and Places
Dog and Bone: Phone.
Old Bill: The Rozzers. Police.
Roozer: Did you mean 'Rozzer'?? If not, it's a miniature horse with a big heart from Kansas City.
Cock o the North: Has a number of meanings but usually refers to a single malt whiskey.
Slimy Ivy: Not common but can be used to describe a despicable character.
Manicunian: Mancunian - someone born or from Manchester, UK.
Flowery Dell: Not one I know, but it's a holiday place in Yorkshire.
Half a Crown: Old UK money, not used since 1971. Value was half of a 'crown' coin, 5 shillings.
Five Bob: Five old UK shillings. As a single coin was a 'crown'.
Ena's Hairnets: The hair nets once worn by a character from the UK Soap 'Coronation Street' many years ago.
Wack and Judy: Another name for the old seaside beach puppet show called 'Punch and Judy'.
Fairy Liquid: Old UK brand of washing-up liquid/detergent.
Knickers: Women's underwear.
Toerag: An insult meaning 'scoundrel'.
Goonhilly Downs, Jodrell Bank: Jodrell Bank is the name of where the biggest collection of radio telescopes are situated. The location is Goonhilly Downs.
Jam Rags: Tampons or sanitary towels.
Bogwood: Exactly what it says - waterlogged wood collected from bogs or mangroves.
The smoke: A slang nickname for London.
Tin Pan Alley: The name Tin Pan Alley was originally given to an area in New York which had a number of music publishers and songwriters in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century.
Knocker Bockers: Another name for the old 80's toys known as click-clacks or clackers.

Names and Sayings
watcha cock: Hello.
Adam and Eve it: Would you believe it.
Yackidah (Yaki Dah): Welsh for Cheers!
Sassenach Bastard: Derogatory term used by the Scots for someone not originally of Scottish birth/descent.
Knuckle Sandwich: A bunch'o'fives. A full-on punch in the mouth.
Brazen Hussey: Pretty obvious - a woman who wants to attract sexual attention.
Mutton Chef (Jeff): Slang for Deaf or extremely hard of hearing.

Actions
gobble the goose: Oral sex on a man.
Snagging: Snagging is a slang expression used within the building industry in the UK and Ireland. It is used to describe the process of defect identification and resolution.
Kerb Crawler: Not a colloquialism, it's exactly what it says - someone cruising to pick up a hoe/street prostitute.

Don't Know
Suffer: Unkown. Never heard of it other than a standard word.
Slave Ranger: Don't know this one either.

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 12:47:29 PM   
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maybe, he was also the chairman of a local football(soccer) club back in the late 70s early 80s.



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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/16/2015 1:22:39 PM   
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Thank you once again. There was a longer list but it was too boring to write. It is good to know the origins of such sayings though. To be honest I never checked Google because I believed such was too trivial for them to have any real information on. Amazing how diverse the English Language Slang is.

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/18/2015 12:37:03 PM   
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Not Scottish, not even remotely

It's referred to as cockney rhyming slang. I understand none of it nor do i wish to do so,

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/18/2015 7:20:52 PM   
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Not Scottish, not even remotely

It's referred to as cockney rhyming slang. I understand none of it nor do i wish to do so,

Only two in the list are cockney rhyming slang.
Two are Scottish in origin.
Most are just plain English slang or not slang at all.


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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/18/2015 7:37:25 PM   
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Flowery Dell is a prison cell. There Was a street in the Soho area that was called 'Tin Pan Alley' but it's real name escapes me....................might have been Argyle Street ? I know it was off Wardour Street though.
Knicker-Bocker-Glory was a sort of sundae in a tall glass, consisting of different ice creams, fruits and jellies.................I think it was originally invented by Rossi's the ice cream parlour chain in the east of London. Cost half a crown and worth every penny !!!
Snagging could also mean 'trying to hook up with'.........................."I'm going to try and snag a bird (girl) tonight"

It sounds like she may have been from either the east or south-east of London, ( maybe East Ham or Canning Town)depending on her age ..................and what in the name of the million gods was she putting all these old fashioned terms on you for ????

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/18/2015 8:11:38 PM   
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Me an a coupla mates were caught by old bill nicking motors. They had us bang to rights, so we copped it sweet and they took us down the local nick, kept us in a flowery for the night and then charged us wiv feevin' and running a chop-shop; so anyway, we goes up before the beak the next day and he remanded us to the Bailey where we all ended up doin' porridge. It was only a year though and we were expectin' a lagging, so not too bad. Two of the boys got banged up in the Ville and I was sent to Scrubs. I never saw so many innocent blokes in one place. Every bloody lag there swore on a stack that he had been fitted by the filth !!!

Get her to translate that for you *smile*

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/18/2015 9:36:29 PM   
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True story;)


Amusing ..anecdote...well to me at least. Criminal records going back a few hundred years, were recently put online to search at the old bailey site. So i had a look for the family name for any crims i didnt know about. Back in the mid 1700, a guy with my family name showed up as the aggrieved party in a robbery committed by someone with my husbands last name.

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/18/2015 9:52:11 PM   
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A lot of the slang used in and around London today dates back to the 18th century..........some has obviously fallen into disuse. Stuff like 'Being turned off ' ( Hung) or 'The Last Drop' (the last drink before being turned off) ...............that was drunk at a pub near Edgware Road called' The First and Last' ..................I used to run a shop near the Óld Tyburn Tree' (Public Gallows) which is now a Building Society I believe.

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/19/2015 4:31:17 AM   
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Flowery Dell is a prison cell. There Was a street in the Soho area that was called 'Tin Pan Alley' but it's real name escapes me....................might have been Argyle Street ? I know it was off Wardour Street though.
Knicker-Bocker-Glory was a sort of sundae in a tall glass, consisting of different ice creams, fruits and jellies.................I think it was originally invented by Rossi's the ice cream parlour chain in the east of London. Cost half a crown and worth every penny !!!
Snagging could also mean 'trying to hook up with'.........................."I'm going to try and snag a bird (girl) tonight"

It sounds like she may have been from either the east or south-east of London, ( maybe East Ham or Canning Town)depending on her age ..................and what in the name of the million gods was she putting all these old fashioned terms on you for ????

He didn't say 'knicker-bocker-glory' but 'knocker-bocker'. Big difference.
One is a multi-layered ice cream (yummy!), the other is a toy from the 80's (I had several).

As for 'Tin-Pan Alley', it originated in New York in the US.
We did get an equivalent in London on a much smaller scale in Denmark Street.
According to Wiki: Denmark Street is a street on the edge of London's West End running from Charing Cross Road to St Giles. It is near St Giles in the Fields Church and Tottenham Court Road station. The street was developed in the late 17th century and named after Prince George of Denmark. Since the 1950s it has been associated with British popular music, first via publishers and later by recording studios and music shops. A blue plaque was unveiled in 2014 commemorating the street's importance to popular music.

The street was originally residential, but became used for commercial purposes in the 19th century. At first, metalwork was a popular trade but it became most famous as Britain's "Tin Pan Alley" housing numerous music publishers' offices.


Snagging and Flowery Dell are quite good. I can imagine they were slang from London.
Not something used around here and I'm not far from east London.

I was wrong about the Mars Bar fritters - they were invented in Scotland, apparently.
According to Wiki: The dish is said to have been created in 1995 in the Haven Chip Bar (now the Carron) in Stonehaven, near Aberdeen on Scotland's northeast coast.


But like you, I'm a tad surprised at the number of very old-fashioned terms used.
Quite a lot of what he mentioned were not even specifically London or even based particularly in the south.
Which is why I thought he was giving us a run up the garden path or the lady in question was not-so-young or giving him the proverbial runaround just for the hell of it to put him off.

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/19/2015 5:14:07 AM   
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as he was relaying his understanding of what the words were, I took them as an attempt to spell them...
snagging I though was snogging, or it chould have been shagging, as I had never heard of snagging.
Flowery dell is more a crims term that was popular in london HM holiday camps, ironic as london prisons have very little flowery about them. Not that they should
The one I always remember is the term "black as newgates knocker" regarding black clouds of bad weather. of course newgate being cast as the height of shitty prisons, black holes
There used to be a stone in the middle of a field just outside hemel hempstead that was the site of a gallows, but I cant remember the history without looking it up.
PS IM surprised you had to reference google.


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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/19/2015 5:30:55 AM   
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Nice ass lucylastic! Can mount you from the rear and put a large one inside you then ejeculate that nice warm sticky grey colored stuff inside you please?

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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/19/2015 5:37:49 AM   
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only in your dreams pal...have fun...


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RE: Can some bright spark of intellect help me please? - 12/19/2015 6:02:53 AM   
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Dang. If that didn't read like "somebody needs a few more lessons at charm school," I don't know what does.


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