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servantforuse -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 5:10:12 PM)
It is very hard for good cops to respect others when they have no respect for the cops.

LadyConstanze -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 5:35:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse It is very hard for good cops to respect others when they have no respect for the cops. Would you want to try that again in English? My original message was quote: I honestly never really had trouble with the police and have a lot of respect for most of them, however this was a pretty shitty case and there were a lot of cases where I think they definitely went way way overboard, in my eyes, it's a bad thing because it diminishes the good cops who really joined because they want to do what's right. I'm kinda surprised that there isn't more of a movement from within the police force to clear those things up and regain trust and respect. So what were you trying to say? Let me clarify, I think the majority of cops do a great job, therefore they should be interested in not having bad apples who give all of them a bad name.

BamaD -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 6:44:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Yep. Pretty much waiting to see the reaction in the city. A lot of people tried to make sure the prior demonstrations were peaceful or kept peaceful. We'll see. But they weren't, remember the give them room to destroy orders.

BamaD -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 6:48:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I honestly never really had trouble with the police and have a lot of respect for most of them, however this was a pretty shitty case and there were a lot of cases where I think they definitely went way way overboard, in my eyes, it's a bad thing because it diminishes the good cops who really joined because they want to do what's right. I'm kinda surprised that there isn't more of a movement from within the police force to clear those things up and regain trust and respect. I think the cops in the van, unless there has been even more evidence withheld, screwed up big time. Negligent homocide seems reasonable, but murder 2? They must have changed something in the Baltimore Dept. considering how crime has skyrocketed since the Freddy Grey case came up.

JVoV -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 6:56:11 PM)
I really don't see much hope for more than one or two convictions of the six charged. I'm thinking the prosecutor expected one of them to testify against all of the others, or some other TV court show drama. By overcharging, the juries will all be confused. Go to court with charges you can prove without a reasonable doubt, even if you can only get one or two on even manslaughter. Civil court would be much different, but then it will be the City on trial.

LadyConstanze -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 7:15:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I honestly never really had trouble with the police and have a lot of respect for most of them, however this was a pretty shitty case and there were a lot of cases where I think they definitely went way way overboard, in my eyes, it's a bad thing because it diminishes the good cops who really joined because they want to do what's right. I'm kinda surprised that there isn't more of a movement from within the police force to clear those things up and regain trust and respect. I think the cops in the van, unless there has been even more evidence withheld, screwed up big time. Negligent homocide seems reasonable, but murder 2? They must have changed something in the Baltimore Dept. considering how crime has skyrocketed since the Freddy Grey case came up. I honestly don't know enough about the case, I recall I was in LA when it happened and found it shocking (there were several reports about police brutality at the same time) I was visiting a friend and he had a family member there, retired quite high ranking ex military guy, we were all shocked. I believe the parents were middle class and (pardon my French) it seemed dodgy as **** Didn't they taser him and then just threw him into the paddy wagon without securing him and due to being restrained he sustained the injuries that lead to him dying? At least that's how I remember it. I don't know enough about what charges can be brought on but here it would be reckless endangerment resulting in loss of life, which is pretty much like manslaughter due to negligence.

BamaD -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 7:17:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JVoV I really don't see much hope for more than one or two convictions of the six charged. I'm thinking the prosecutor expected one of them to testify against all of the others, or some other TV court show drama. By overcharging, the juries will all be confused. Go to court with charges you can prove without a reasonable doubt, even if you can only get one or two on even manslaughter. Civil court would be much different, but then it will be the City on trial. The prosecutor has acted more like the head of a lynch mob than a prosecutor. If she isn't careful any misconduct of the officers will get lost in her misconduct. But really charging people who were never in the van and never had contact with Grey. Makes the whole thing look like a witch hunt and may end up providing cover for anyone who actually did anything wrong.

LadyConstanze -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 7:27:48 PM)
I don't know if I am a cynic, but is the prosecutor trying to appease the masses and possibly aiming for a political career, hence going way overboard?

BamaD -> RE: hung Jury (12/17/2015 9:17:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I don't know if I am a cynic, but is the prosecutor trying to appease the masses and possibly aiming for a political career, hence going way overboard? It looks that way. Which is not to say that none of the cops did anything wrong. They failed to follow procedure, it requires them to put prisoners in seat belts. It certainly seems that the officers in the van were at least negligent. I think to the point of criminality. But other than playing to the mob I can see no reason for charging everyone who got near the van.

LadyConstanze -> RE: hung Jury (12/18/2015 6:08:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I don't know if I am a cynic, but is the prosecutor trying to appease the masses and possibly aiming for a political career, hence going way overboard? It looks that way. Which is not to say that none of the cops did anything wrong. They failed to follow procedure, it requires them to put prisoners in seat belts. It certainly seems that the officers in the van were at least negligent. I think to the point of criminality. But other than playing to the mob I can see no reason for charging everyone who got near the van. By going overboard they are actually harming the case, it's actually stupid unless there is something going on in the background to give the guilty parties as little legal punishment as possible by deliberately effing up, which could be another angle, while appearing to be all gung ho about the case... I think it might be pretty hard to find evidence that they wanted to deliberately hurt or harm the prisoner unless they'd admit to it, but he got harmed while being in their custody and due to their "neglect", I think that should be serious enough to throw the book at them.

tweakabelle -> RE: hung Jury (12/18/2015 6:43:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Let me clarify, I think the majority of cops do a great job, therefore they should be interested in not having bad apples who give all of them a bad name. Yes. One would think that this is common sense, that the vast majority of clean cops have as much to gain by ridding the force of the bad ones as the rest of society does. But it never seems to pan out that way in practice does it? The standard response by police forces everywhere to criticism is to close ranks, there seems to be a culture of denial, whistleblowers get treated like dirt and are forced out in ignominy. The prevailing impression is that many police resent being made accountable to the public they are supposed to serve and protect.

BamaD -> RE: hung Jury (12/18/2015 10:11:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I don't know if I am a cynic, but is the prosecutor trying to appease the masses and possibly aiming for a political career, hence going way overboard? It looks that way. Which is not to say that none of the cops did anything wrong. They failed to follow procedure, it requires them to put prisoners in seat belts. It certainly seems that the officers in the van were at least negligent. I think to the point of criminality. But other than playing to the mob I can see no reason for charging everyone who got near the van. By going overboard they are actually harming the case, it's actually stupid unless there is something going on in the background to give the guilty parties as little legal punishment as possible by deliberately effing up, which could be another angle, while appearing to be all gung ho about the case... I think it might be pretty hard to find evidence that they wanted to deliberately hurt or harm the prisoner unless they'd admit to it, but he got harmed while being in their custody and due to their "neglect", I think that should be serious enough to throw the book at them. Yes, police misconduct, criminal negligence, quite likely even negligent homocide. But they are going overboard and can blow the whole thing. We don't need another Garner case.

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