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Greta75 -> Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/18/2015 2:09:17 AM)
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/yazidi-woman-begs-u-n-security-council-wipe-223109391.html These poor guys due to their non-mainstream Sufism interpretation of Islam, has been practically culled in like almost any Muslim country they exist in. Indonesia, any Muslims groups who follow Sufism also gets persecuted. They could get extinct. Why do these people get to stay in camps in middle east? They will never be accepted by Muslims. At least they believe in some Christianity and Pagan. They were persecuted since Saddam Hussein started the genocide on them too! Think this is the type of groups we should let in as refugees and protect them. The United Nations has said that Islamic State may have committed genocide in trying to wipe out the Yazidi minority and has urged the U.N. Security Council to refer the issue to the International Criminal Court for prosecution. Islamic State militants consider the Yazidis to be devil-worshippers. The Yazidi faith has elements of Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Islam. Most of the Yazidi population, numbering around half a million, remains displaced in camps inside the autonomous entity in Iraq's north known as Kurdistan. Of around 5,000 Yazidi men and women captured by the militants in the summer of 2014, some 2,000 have managed to escape or been smuggled out of Islamic State's self-proclaimed caliphate, activists say. The rest remain in captivity.

MariaB -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/18/2015 2:30:01 AM)
Clearly not all Muslims are behaving the same way and depending on what type of orthadox or none orthodox Muslim you are, you are either with ISIS or against ISIS Shafi Shia Bahá'ís Sufis Mevlevi Naqshbandi Bektashi Chisti and others are not the sort of Muslims (though IS wouldn't call them that) ISIS want in their back yard; so should we let these people in along with the the Yazidi?

Staleek -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/18/2015 3:07:56 AM)
You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS. Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity.

Greta75 -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/18/2015 3:12:43 AM)
But that's exactly what most countries are doing. They pick and choose which refugees they will allow in and which refugees they put in camps. Every country has picked and chose their refugees, so why don't they choose more wisely. Syrians get to enter by the millions to Germany for free, while Yazadis now pay illegal smugglers to illegally smuggle them in from Iraq to Germany.

BamaD -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/19/2015 8:26:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS. Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity. No, she is saying that one group of people are at greater risk than others.

joether -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/19/2015 10:10:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS. Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity. No, she is saying that one group of people are at greater risk than others. What is the metrics used to determine whom is at greater risk? We have people fleeing drug lords in Central America and people fleeing a warzone in Syria. Which of those two is at "...greater risk"?

BamaD -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/19/2015 10:20:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS. Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity. No, she is saying that one group of people are at greater risk than others. What is the metrics used to determine whom is at greater risk? We have people fleeing drug lords in Central America and people fleeing a warzone in Syria. Which of those two is at "...greater risk"? The drug lords promote violence and caos, ISIS is engaged in genocide, I think genocide counts as the greater risk. Should those of us in civilized parts of the country (not PROM of course) be taking chigagoians as refugees?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/19/2015 10:29:04 AM)
I would like to think that we haven't lost our humanity and compassion, I recently saw a comment somewhere that the Syrian refugees only take women and children along for "sympathy reasons", like parents rather risk that they and their kids drown instead of leaving them in an environment where it means rape, torture and death? Remember that famous ship full of Jews that no country allowed in, most of them perished in the Holocaust... We're lucky to be born in countries that have some stability, we didn't do anything for it, it just happened, it could easily be different and we'd be in that situation, then we'd be damned glad if somebody would help us. Btw Steve Job's dad was a Syrian refugee...

BamaD -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/19/2015 10:58:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze I would like to think that we haven't lost our humanity and compassion, I recently saw a comment somewhere that the Syrian refugees only take women and children along for "sympathy reasons", like parents rather risk that they and their kids drown instead of leaving them in an environment where it means rape, torture and death? Remember that famous ship full of Jews that no country allowed in, most of them perished in the Holocaust... We're lucky to be born in countries that have some stability, we didn't do anything for it, it just happened, it could easily be different and we'd be in that situation, then we'd be damned glad if somebody would help us. Btw Steve Job's dad was a Syrian refugee... As the Ca terrorist attack showed we don't properly vet people, we have to fix our vetting or we are just asking for more of them same. If we bring them in before doing so we would have to put them in camps like we did the Cuban "boat people" in the 70's.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/19/2015 11:14:14 AM)
Actually I don't know if you are familiar with Jose Vigoa, robbed a bunch of casinos in Vegas, he was one of the boat people. What happened then was that Castro just emptied his prisons, I think the situation in Syria is remarkably different. I think we discussed this before, before I got the whole VISA sorted and even after that, I really had a ton of trouble whenever I entered, I tend to work a lot in the US, but I always combine it with taking care of an American citizen who had a heart transplant, I had the full documentation of properties in Europe, the letter from the Sinai Cedars (the subject of my PhD made me ideal as a care giver as I spent 2 years translating cardiologic research regarding side effects of anti-rejection drugs and steroids) owning a company, hubby, pets, family, the guy was my former boss and I had green card previously, so I was vetted several times, I was still treated like a criminal, accused of "sneaking in" (yeah with a VISA and standing in line to show my passport, that's sooooo sneaky), some friends contacted their Senators, including the guy's brother who went from military service to the Pentagon (I didn't ask details and I doubt I would have got them...) and they are so polite now, in fact I regularly get asked if I don't want to apply for citizenship. Thinking about it from an economical point of view, a lot of American industries spend millions to attract visitors from abroad, the process at most US airports is "unpleasant", I understand that you don't want illegals, but people bringing money into your country, just treating them with some decency and respect, you can ask questions without yelling at them...

MercTech -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/20/2015 8:31:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MariaB Clearly not all Muslims are behaving the same way and depending on what type of orthadox or none orthodox Muslim you are, you are either with ISIS or against ISIS Shafi Shia Bahá'ís Sufis Mevlevi Naqshbandi Bektashi Chisti and others are not the sort of Muslims (though IS wouldn't call them that) ISIS want in their back yard; so should we let these people in along with the the Yazidi? Hmm, that list seems to mix political entities with religious denominations of Islam (Suni, Shia, and Sufi are the main three I think) with tribal affiliations. It is hard to keep the tribal and ethnic categories straight when you aren't part of the boots on the ground.

BamaD -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/20/2015 8:42:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Actually I don't know if you are familiar with Jose Vigoa, robbed a bunch of casinos in Vegas, he was one of the boat people. What happened then was that Castro just emptied his prisons, I think the situation in Syria is remarkably different. I think we discussed this before, before I got the whole VISA sorted and even after that, I really had a ton of trouble whenever I entered, I tend to work a lot in the US, but I always combine it with taking care of an American citizen who had a heart transplant, I had the full documentation of properties in Europe, the letter from the Sinai Cedars (the subject of my PhD made me ideal as a care giver as I spent 2 years translating cardiologic research regarding side effects of anti-rejection drugs and steroids) owning a company, hubby, pets, family, the guy was my former boss and I had green card previously, so I was vetted several times, I was still treated like a criminal, accused of "sneaking in" (yeah with a VISA and standing in line to show my passport, that's sooooo sneaky), some friends contacted their Senators, including the guy's brother who went from military service to the Pentagon (I didn't ask details and I doubt I would have got them...) and they are so polite now, in fact I regularly get asked if I don't want to apply for citizenship. Thinking about it from an economical point of view, a lot of American industries spend millions to attract visitors from abroad, the process at most US airports is "unpleasant", I understand that you don't want illegals, but people bringing money into your country, just treating them with some decency and respect, you can ask questions without yelling at them... Yes Castro emptied his prisons and mental institutions. The problem today is that ISIS brags about slipping terrorists in among the refugees. That combined with the fact that CA proved that our vetting process sucks. If we could vet them with any confidence in catching terrorists I would look at it differently. As it is it seems that we need to either secure them till we can properly vet them or not let them in at all. I think that securing them is by far the more human.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/21/2015 5:55:10 AM)
If the securing can be done in a way that isn't like a concentration camp, I'd have little objection, but do you really think that would help much? A lot of European countries have taken in a lot of refugees and so far the only crimes that have risen are hate crimes committed by extremists who are NOT refugees. ISIS has a lot of interest to discourage every country to take in refugees, their main target are actually the very people who are trying to flee. I wouldn't put it past them to try and infiltrate with terrorists, but I would think a terrorist in the middle of refugees who absolutely hate ISIS, the other refugees would be the best to expose them, if they wouldn't rip the terrorist to shreds first. Imagine a bunch of people who lost everything, including loved ones to terrorists... Plus they know their environment and all that, they would be possibly much more astute than "our" lot in vetting.

blnymph -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/21/2015 6:30:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 But that's exactly what most countries are doing. They pick and choose which refugees they will allow in and which refugees they put in camps. Every country has picked and chose their refugees, so why don't they choose more wisely. Syrians get to enter by the millions to Germany for free, while Yazadis now pay illegal smugglers to illegally smuggle them in from Iraq to Germany. I guess you do not know at all that most Yezidis have Syrian passports ... and among those Syrians that arrived here in Germany was a overproportionate number of Yezids

Termyn8or -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/21/2015 7:32:57 AM)
Take in nobody. Period. However, we should stop creating refugees. The US' enemies would not have been able to recruit enough to gain critical mass if not for the oil companies meddling in their affaris over there. They were not quite civilized to start with and the fucking motherfuckers in the oil companies and their employees in the government and military have done nothing to teach them. That is because they are animals and have nothing to teach, they just know how to wear a suit and tie. Years ago I said quit fucking with them and they might quit fucking with us, but nobody listened. And now we got two fucking billion enemies. Beam me up Scotty. T^T

Politesub53 -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/23/2015 3:41:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 But that's exactly what most countries are doing. They pick and choose which refugees they will allow in and which refugees they put in camps. Every country has picked and chose their refugees, so why don't they choose more wisely. Syrians get to enter by the millions to Germany for free, while Yazadis now pay illegal smugglers to illegally smuggle them in from Iraq to Germany. Have you a link for any of this bullshit ? .. Dont worry, it wasnt a question as I know the awnser. [8\|]

Politesub53 -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/26/2015 5:02:23 PM)
Three days on and no Link from Greta backing up her bullshit assertion. I cant say I am shocked.

thompsonx -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/26/2015 6:25:04 PM)
ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Three days on and no Link from Greta backing up her bullshit assertion. I cant say I am shocked. Has anyone ever got a link from the idiot from idaho?

CreativeDominant -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/29/2015 12:10:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze If the securing can be done in a way that isn't like a concentration camp, I'd have little objection, but do you really think that would help much? A lot of European countries have taken in a lot of refugees and so far the only crimes that have risen are hate crimes committed by extremists who are NOT refugees. ISIS has a lot of interest to discourage every country to take in refugees, their main target are actually the very people who are trying to flee. I wouldn't put it past them to try and infiltrate with terrorists, but I would think a terrorist in the middle of refugees who absolutely hate ISIS, the other refugees would be the best to expose them, if they wouldn't rip the terrorist to shreds first. Imagine a bunch of people who lost everything, including loved ones to terrorists... Plus they know their environment and all that, they would be possibly much more astute than "our" lot in vetting. Authorities have discovered images of ISIS flags and severed heads on the cellphones of hundreds of asylum seekers crossing into Norway, highlighting concerns about terrorists exploiting the migrant crisis to infiltrate jihadists into Europe. Nettavisen reports that an “explosion” of refugees crossing into the country in recent months meant that the Police Immigration Service (PU) had to register the migrants quickly. According to the report, after searching luggage and mobile phones belonging to migrants, police have logged “hundreds” of examples of “photos and videos of executions and brutal punishments, such as images of people holding up severed heads or hands.” Authorities also discovered numerous examples of ISIS flags and symbols belonging to other terrorist organizations. Erik Haugland, head of Norway’s asylum program, said that the images may be on the phones for innocent reasons, but that some individuals had likely downloaded the photos because they supported or were affiliated with terrorist groups. Illustrating the concerns of many that some of the refugees arriving in the west have ties to jihadists, a recent poll found that an astounding 21 per cent of Syrians support ISIS. Earlier this month, a newly uncovered ISIS manifesto bragged about how the terror organization was planning on exploiting the refugee program to infiltrate jihadists into Europe and set up radicalized Muslim ghettos in major cities. At least three individuals who posed as “refugees” have now been connected to the November 13 Paris attacks, including the mastermind behind the plot, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, who brazenly revealed how he exploited the migrant red carpet to plot bloodshed. Earlier this month, an 18-year-old asylum seeker was also arrested in the Netherlands after he reportedly told other refugees that he fought alongside Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

joether -> RE: Instead of Syrians, why not take in Yazidis? (12/29/2015 12:31:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Staleek You are substituting one form of discrimination for another. You are implying that one group of humans are more worthy of life than another, which, if true, would put you into pretty much the same camp as ISIS. Here's a counter proposal; why don't free and prosperous nations take in any refugees from anywhere, as mandated by international law as well as by anyone with any sort of humanity. No, she is saying that one group of people are at greater risk than others. What is the metrics used to determine whom is at greater risk? We have people fleeing drug lords in Central America and people fleeing a warzone in Syria. Which of those two is at "...greater risk"? The drug lords promote violence and caos, ISIS is engaged in genocide, I think genocide counts as the greater risk. Should those of us in civilized parts of the country (not PROM of course) be taking chigagoians as refugees? LOL.... You really did not stop and understand the question, did you? It was a trick question. Both groups are in considerable 'harms way' (paraphrasing from the government's metrics). Killing people, regardless of the reason, is putting people in 'harms way'. Therefore, we as a FREE NATION, should not only accept them, but bring more in! Put some down in Alabama with ya!

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