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MuscleBoundDom -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/21/2015 5:02:31 PM)

@LadyConstanze

So as I understand it, any research done on prostitution that contradicts your opinion is full of shit. I only listed 3 but there are 100's more. You are telling me that I need to "broaden my scope." So all these community and university research studies need to "broaden their scope" too? And you're personal experience happens to be the "broadened scope?"

The Prostitution Project: Community-Baed Research on Sex Trading in North Minneapolis
http://uroc.umn.edu/documents/prostitution-project_community-based-research.pdf

Understanding and Applying Research on Prostitution
http://www.nij.gov/journals/255/pages/prostitution_research.aspx

Prostitution Research & Education
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/Prostitution%20Quick%20Facts%2012-21-12.pdf

Please educate me.



Wayward5oul -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/21/2015 5:19:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

@LadyConstanze

So as I understand it, any research done on prostitution that contradicts your opinion is full of shit. I only listed 3 but there are 100's more. You are telling me that I need to "broaden my scope." So all these community and university research studies need to "broaden their scope" too? And you're personal experience happens to be the "broadened scope?"

The Prostitution Project: Community-Baed Research on Sex Trading in North Minneapolis
http://uroc.umn.edu/documents/prostitution-project_community-based-research.pdf

Understanding and Applying Research on Prostitution
http://www.nij.gov/journals/255/pages/prostitution_research.aspx

Prostitution Research & Education
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/Prostitution%20Quick%20Facts%2012-21-12.pdf

Please educate me.

The difference is you are talking about prostitution as an illegal activity vs legal activity. In the US. yes there is exploitation of all kinds. But outside of the US, in places where prostitution is legal, sex workers can actually rely on the laws for protection from exploitation. Apples and oranges.



stef -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/21/2015 6:35:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

pardon stef and your slobbering nonsense.

Before I begin deconstructing your pathetic existence on this site and all you have misled…granted few of my kind versus vast expanses of your kind though.

I am a sock because you are cheat liar non genuine full of shitery and mislead all..tis the genuine you have mislead over all these years I feel sorry for …is this correct.

And you are a non sock because?


Can you try this again in English? I don't speak fucking idiot.



TNDommeK -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/21/2015 9:09:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

Exchanging sex for money is prostitution. A prostitute may also be a Pro Domme, or a bus driver, or a shipping clerk.

Interestingly, I saw an article about a ruling in Norway. Apparently there it is illegal to offer sex in exchange for driving lessons, but it is not illegal to offer driving lessons in exchange for sex. Go figure.


Completely agree, which is why I defend myself when idiots think all pro Dommes are prostitutes.



CountessDionysus -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/21/2015 9:29:43 PM)

I agree, having sex with the creatures and trolls that come to serve MYSELF and MY household is totally taboo. I DO NOT allow it, not even a hand job. The only time MY gloved hand touches that piece of dead flesh between their legs is to either cage it, rope it , clip it, spank it, pinch it or sound it! I was mentored by a strict Domina in Europe and to this day I respect and in turn teach the rules taught to ME. Sex with a slave or submissive takes on an entirely new dimension. On the other hand male Doms will engage in many forms of sex with their charges. Fortunately OUR (Dominas) brain is not located between OUR legs. And yes, I/WE have many clients, domestic and international.

Countess Dionysus



OsideGirl -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/21/2015 9:49:22 PM)

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LadyPact -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/21/2015 11:54:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic
Exchanging sex for money is prostitution. A prostitute may also be a Pro Domme, or a bus driver, or a shipping clerk.

Precisely.




stef -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 12:02:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic
Exchanging sex for money is prostitution. A prostitute may also be a Pro Domme, or a bus driver, or a shipping clerk.

Precisely.



That makes far too much sense. I'm sure WickedSock can come up with something a bit more bizarre.



DarkSteven -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 12:17:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

Whenever someone says they are paying a prostitute, for what some people consider a low price, many women say, "Well, a Pro-Domme charges at least $200.00" and give reasons why.

My argument is that when a Pro-Domme starts having sex with her clients, for money, she is no longer a Pro-Domme, but a prostitute. A lot of women on this site are disagreeing with this argument.

I would like to hear your input.



Your contention is that you're negotiating with hookers on their rates, and they justify their rates by claiming that another profession altogether, that invest in dungeons, equipment, outfits, and training - they charge $XX and that this justifies higher rates.

Sounds like a complete line of bullshit to me. But I don't use hookers, let alone haggle the bargain rate ones. So I'm not really an authority.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 12:24:39 AM)

They charge what the market will bear................what they consider their services are worth.............same as a painter, plumber, electrician etc. It's not a controlled price MuscleHeadDope, so if you disagree with the price, go elsewhere !! Basically though, who really gives a shit ? If you contact them as a Domme, ask them if they allow sex too ? If the answer is yes, base your response on what you want.



LadyConstanze -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 1:45:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom

@LadyConstanze

I'm not saying I'm against prostitution. If they want to legalize it, fine. But I'm not going to contribute to it.

Just because you had a choice to make and you chose to have sex for money, many women don't have that choice. Many women are forced into it.
To answer your question, if a man answers a Backpage listing where she agrees to fondle his penis for sexual gratification, for money, she is a prostitute.

I don't know what else to say. If you believe that people in narcotics anonymous are not telling the truth, if the research done is full of shit, any article found on google that contradicts your personal experience is a lie, these women who are coming forth saying they are Pro-Dommes and don't even touch the penis are not telling the truth, what else can I say? I still say you are sugar coating the profession.



Are you deliberately DENSE? I said I did NOT have sex for money, repeatedly, your reading comprehension can't be THAT bad, I said if I stuck a needle into genitals, did some CBT or tied up genitals, I touched a guy there and it doesn't make me better than a woman who decides to have sex for money.

And you also didn't answer my question, you decided to answer something I didn't ask. Since you were so gung ho about Dommes, I asked you loud and clearly if in your jurisdiction there is a difference if somebody fondles a penis or touches the penis to cause pain - you'll find that the law isn't interested why just that you do. Btw I think the same goes for instruments. The laws in the US regarding that are usually deliberately vague, if they want to book somebody they can, even if it is just a spanking, assault... Remember Boston and "Spoons aren't assault weapons..."

Now if you are going on about narcotics anonymous, I am pretty sure that there are not just prostitutes, plenty of people have drug problems, should I deduct that because a lot of students dabble with drugs all students are forced to study and unhappy and exploited so they are using drugs. You find plenty of drug use in the music business, you are telling me that some very very rich and famous musicians feel exploited and pimped out? For a while coke was the drug of choice in the fashion industry, obviously Kate Moss must have felt exploited and pimped out...



LadyConstanze -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 2:00:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CountessDionysus

I agree, having sex with the creatures and trolls that come to serve MYSELF and MY household is totally taboo. I DO NOT allow it, not even a hand job. The only time MY gloved hand touches that piece of dead flesh between their legs is to either cage it, rope it , clip it, spank it, pinch it or sound it! I was mentored by a strict Domina in Europe and to this day I respect and in turn teach the rules taught to ME. Sex with a slave or submissive takes on an entirely new dimension. On the other hand male Doms will engage in many forms of sex with their charges. Fortunately OUR (Dominas) brain is not located between OUR legs. And yes, I/WE have many clients, domestic and international.

Countess Dionysus


And that will count as prostitution in most jurisdictions in the US, the law doesn't give a damn why you touch it, money is exchanged and there is a contact with the genitals... In case you use a strapon or a dildo, same thing. While it is not sex for you or me, the law takes a very different view on it. To believe they can't arrest you for it is a bit odd, remember a few years back when they kept busting dungeons in NYC? None of them had sex, however they were asked if they do CBT by an undercover cop, they said yes, it was enough. In another case strapon was offered, they closed that place claiming it's the same as a prostate massage.

This whole thinking of "Oh but I am not doing sex, nothing can happen to me" is just pulling the wool over your eyes, if they want to throw the book at you, they will, the fact that you don't engage in sex (your and my definition of sex) doesn't protect you in the least. Nor do gloves.



ToyHartaDIdiots -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 3:10:15 PM)

Good evening,

I'M affraid in My country, there is increasing the number of self-called pro-domme (global economy's problems reach everywhere) I'Ve being living My alikes more than 20 years (in Europe and in America)... independently IF they have sexual (skin or gloves) contacts/penetrations/masturbations/etcetera...when someone pay for a SERVICE.. is the One who ORDERS... when you pay, you pay for what you want to get otherwise you do NOT pay nor goback (which for Me it clearly marks that the pro-domme does NOT do what they really want to do but what they are EXPECTED to do for the money they get).

This are SEXUAL alikes.. even if there exist or NOT any kind of touching/penetrating/teasing/etcetera... to practice BDSM alikes for money is what it is... Now if they want to call it.. pro-domme/prostitute/tributation/financial... the name does NOT change what it is..a SERVICE in exchange for money, that has just ONE real name and is ruled in each Country by their laws.

I Do not have anything against them.. is a work as any other work... BUT, when they try to indicate or "sell" the idea that they are real Domme as Us , living BDSM... I must say THAT is NOT BDSM.



maleservicemaid -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 4:29:09 PM)

Simple question. Does Revenue and customs recognise Pro Domme as a profession? and do Pro Domme's Fill in tax returns stating that as their profession and claim the tax back on the purchase of the tools of their trade?



LadyConstanze -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 4:46:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: maleservicemaid

Simple question. Does Revenue and customs recognise Pro Domme as a profession? and do Pro Domme's Fill in tax returns stating that as their profession and claim the tax back on the purchase of the tools of their trade?



Tax doesn't give a damn what you give as a profession, most dommes will just fill it as adult entertainment and they are happy with it, some don't fill it at all but that is playing with fire



Dvr22999874 -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 4:55:33 PM)

Same in Australia Lady Constanze..................Best bet is not to declare it all but just enough that by the time they have taken their deductions out, they pay little or no tax. Pay no tax at all and somebody in the A.T.O. is going to smell a rat and then the audits start.



LadyConstanze -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 5:13:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

Same in Australia Lady Constanze..................Best bet is not to declare it all but just enough that by the time they have taken your deductions out, they pay little or no tax. Pay no tax at all and somebody in the A.T.O. is going to smell a rat and then the audits start.



In most parts of Europe it is legal and you put Domme in there and you can actually deduct whips and all that, in the US they put adult entertainment... I know somebody in Sydney and she also declares BDSM, not an issue, I think in Oz it depends a bit where you are.

I might be a bit odd, I don't really mind paying tax, I live in a society, I benefit from all the advantages (roads, health care, police, etc) it seems only fair to contribute to all those things, been ages since I did some pro domming (and even then only part time so I was never dependent on it), I'm just floored by all the prejudices and how people lie to themselves about what they do, even if you don't have "sex sex" it's still part of the sex industry and believing the law can't touch you in a oountry with laws that are so deliberately vague as the US, that's just lying to yourself, then the weird thinking that a woman who has sex for money is somehow lower than a woman who gives pain or domination for money - the guys who go for that are just as sexually titillated as the guys who go to an escort for a BJ or sex. I mean I have not once ever heard a guy say that he went to a domme because he found her unattractive, most of the allure is that he does find her attractive but knows there will never be sexual intimacy...

If somebody feels better by believing they are "above" others, well good luck, especially when being busted.

This whole idea that going to narcotics anonymous and deducting that if you only target one group of them they all have a problem is ridiculous, the amount of lawyers, surgeons and cops with substance problems is huge, they aren't forced to do their jobs by pimps or are sexually exploited, pressures of the job might do it. I'm not claiming every prostitute is a happy hooker, but then again not everybody enjoys their job, I work in PR, pays damned well but hell do I deal with a lot of *****



Dvr22999874 -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 5:24:12 PM)

By googling narcotics anonymous, wouldn't the enquirer basically only be targeting one group ? Those who indulge in narcotics ? By doing that, you could basically prove that all prostitutes, judges, pop-stars, nurses et al, are junkies.

Maybe it would be possible to google 'sex-workers anonymous' which we had over here for years by the acronym of SQISI, or SQWISI, I believe. It would possibly then be possible to prove that theory in reverse......................all junkies are sex-workers, judges, pop-stars, nurses et al.



LadyConstanze -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 5:28:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

By googling narcotics anonymous, wouldn't the enquirer basically only be targeting one group ? Those who indulge in narcotics ? By doing that, you could basically prove that all prostitutes, judges, pop-stars, nurses et al, are junkies.

Maybe it would be possible to google 'sex-workers anonymous' which we had over here for years by the acronym of SQISI, or SQWISI, I believe. It would possibly then be possible to prove that theory in reverse......................all junkies are sex-workers, judges, pop-stars, nurses et al.



That's basically the flaw I tried to tell the OP about, but hey, he is deaf on that ear and if he doesn't like some other stuff you say, he'll just claim you said something else... Tunnel vision



Dvr22999874 -> RE: When A Pro-Domme Starts Having Sex (for money) With A Client, Is She Still Considered a Pro-Domme? (12/22/2015 5:36:20 PM)

If I want to know about sex-workers, I google 'sex workers'.
If I want to know about junkies, I google 'Narcotics Anonymous.
If I want to know about something entirely different, I look for a title that will fit it, NOT one that I can make it fit.

That tunnel vision is more like funnel vision...............up the spout and down the gurgler



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