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jlf1961 -> RE: Big Oil repeatedly claims that global warming is psuedoscience... (1/3/2016 8:14:36 AM)
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ORIGINAL: bounty44
this might be a good place to go back and carefully read my post in #4, observe what has happened since, see what you are doing, and really really let the content of my post sink in.
or go back and read any of the other "global warming/climate change" threads here from the past couple years...
I might consider your statement, but for one little point.
The 'scientist' that led the debunkers was the same man that led the tobacco campaign to prove that tobacco use was not harmful in the slightest.
Secondly, of the op eds and articles posted debunking global climate change, the majority that wrote them either 1) were not specialists in the field or B) not actual scientists are researchers, or C) and most importantly, refused to allow review of their procedures.
The proven points are simple:
1) Since WW2, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has risen at a rate that is unprecedented in planet history
2) In the last thirty years, global temperatures have also risen at a rate dramatically higher than in the planet's history, with the exception of two periods, a) the epoch of the siberian pit lava flows and b) the period during which the Deccan traps were erupting lasting 30,000 years
Now, since there has been no massive increase in volcanic activity, nor have we had a massive increase in solar radiation, there has to be a reason for these two facts.
The absolutely hilarious fact is that when 97% of earth scientists are saying the same thing, people are still insisting they are all wrong because of the few that are saying something different.
I call this the "Custer Syndrome."
You see, at the battle of Little Big Horn, Col. Custer was told be every one of his Indian scouts that the Cheyenne/Lakota Sioux camp was bigger than his officers were telling him, and the camp was not just old men, women and children.
Well, Custer decided they were all cowards and liars, and the rest is history.
The simple fact is that the global climate is changing, and there are no historic models to explain it. Looking at the past cycles of heating and cooling, and the frequency of Ice Ages, combined with the eccentricities of the earth's orbit, the planet should be cooling.
Instead it is warming.
Now, since there has not been a large enough celestial body move through the solar system to change earth's orbit, nor has there been a large enough impact to account for the changes.
I will go one step further, according to some, none of the increased carbon emissions would have had near the impact except for one factor, the depletion of the rain forests.
From personal observations, I have seen the longest drought in history in the Southwest, when I was a child, the rockies were snow capped even in summer (they arent now) and lake Mead and lake powell were always full to capacity, with enough over flow that the Colorado actually reached the ocean.
Now, over the last 30 years snow fall in the Rockies has dropped to the point where the spring melt no longer fills the rivers.
Let you in on another shocking secret.
Deserts world wide are expanding at a rate that defies explanation. In point of fact, the Sahara, again looking at geological/ botanical records, should actually be shrinking. It seems that the Sahara has over the past few million years gone from desert to savanah at regular intervals, roughly coinciding to the periods when the earth moves a bit further from the sun in its orbit.
Instead, the Sahara is getting larger.
Again, with no object large enough to change the orbit of the planet, care to explain why this is happening? The main difference is the amount of green house gases in the atmosphere.
Lastly, the man that started the "climate change denial" science program had another misinformation campaign to his credit, besides tobacco, and that was the trying to prove that ozone depletion was not happening.
Now, if you want to throw out what 97% of accredited earth science researchers have stated as fact, with the support of every major scientific agency on the planet, that is fine, you are free to do so.
However, trying to tell those of us who tend to believe the majority that all those agencies and scientists are part of some great conspiracy to cost people, businesses and governments trillions is pushing it.
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