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DisabledMistress -> Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/4/2016 3:30:44 PM)

Please read, I need some thoughts/feedback on this. So I was thinking about the subs I've had in the past and in general how these relationships have gone. The majority of My subs have been older men, and while i'm not attracted to older men in general, I find an older sub to be okay (depending on the kink). However, thinking back I've noticed a really disturbing commonality between them, I've done both findomming and general and for the subs I've never met in person (I always intend to) there's always phone calls and video calling, but a lot of them seem to have sick/elderly parents. In agreements where it's been purely financial or online domination, we seem to have one or two sessions before the "sick parents" come up. With at least 4 of these online/subs I've never met, we have agreed to start an arrangement and eventually meet in person, but it never happens. After the first one or two sessions they will bring up their sick family member, saying "Oh i'm looking after my mum or i'm looking after my dad, or "my dad has cancer at the moment" or "i'm dealing with family issues/my dad passed away." Obviously if that's really going on for the person it's super stressful and I can understand not being able to commit. However, like I said it's happened at least 3 or 4 times and it seems like an incredible coincidence that is brought up after the first session or so and not in the initial contact.

Two examples :
1) Posted looking for a sub on craigslist (yes I know okay?) this older guy replied to my ad, and brought up the whole taking care of Me/spoiling Me thing he seemed to even want a poly thing in the future. We talk for a few days over CL email, and he gives Me his personal email address and mobile number. However when I text him, there's no response, a few days pass, and I think oh he's just lost interest. Literally six months lately I get a text asking if I ever ended up finding anyone else from the ad, I didn't so I say no, he asks if i'm still interested, I say yes and ask why he seemed to have vanished, he explains that his mother lives in England and is very sick, and he went and stayed there for a bit to help look after her. I'm sympathetic, and after that we start texting and calling each other regularly, we make plans to meet up. We even pick out the movie we are going to see and where we going to see it. By this point he is texting Me every morning and then a few days before we meet, he stops. I get a text message about two days later after we were supposed to meet saying he was made redundant from his job and was too depressed to go out. Long story short : He vanished again for like a month after we starting talking, (he said it was his mother again) and then again towards the middle of December (This time he said it was himself who became ill, he claimed he had gasteo, and was hospitalised or so he said). Then he vanishes again, My texts to him go unanswered, even the one on Christmas, by this time I am starting to get really fed up. He eventually replies to a Skype message saying he was depressed and "needed to get out of town" as well as "having only wifi because he switched off his phone to avoid talking to friends and family. I ask him to call Me to discuss things and he agrees, to which I tell him i'll be waiting on his call, he replies to that "with I don't need pressure at the moment" and never calls, so fed up, I just send him a text saying I have no idea what's going on with him, but I don't appreciate being stuffed around all time and if he wants to act this way then fine.

2) Meet a sub on a BDSM site in November, he lives interstate so we agree to do an online thing in which he will put a gag in and pay for every hour I ignore him. It goes well, we both enjoy, we arrange to make another time. He tells Me he is looking after his mum, and that before we arrange the next time his mum ends up in hospital and that he doesn't think he is able to continue the arrangement. Yet I still see him on Skype, marked as "available" yet he's ignoring My messages.

I have had subs in real life I've had this sort of arrangement with and it's worked well, (1 ir 2)this seems to happen a lot, like I said, seems an awful confidence that's the reason I keep getting.


I've had a close family member go through cancer twice, and a grandad also pass away from cancer. So I know it can be very stressful, but something seems suss to me and it's a pretty low thing to use such a serious disease as an excuse.

Sorry been thinking about this lengthhadto get it off My chest.

What do you guys think is going on with these guys?




DisabledMistress -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/4/2016 3:34:53 PM)

I feel like I should also add that financial and online play is not the only thing I've engaged in and I've done other things in person, but it seems to be a particular problem in this area.




OsideGirl -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/4/2016 3:42:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DisabledMistress


What do you guys think is going on with these guys?


I think people who do that either aren't who/what they say they are or they're afraid to get past being in the fantasy stage.

There was a woman in our county that always hit up couples looking for poly. She'd make a date for the first meeting and then some emergency would come up. She failed to realize how small the community can be. Among people we knew, we started a pool on her and would keep track of every couple she hit up and what excuse she would use to back out of the meeting.




DesFIP -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/4/2016 4:08:14 PM)

They only want some online play and you're giving them that for free. Probably they're married and never could give you money or spend any free time with you.




angelikaJ -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/4/2016 4:25:24 PM)

I know online can feel very real but until one actually meets, maybe thinking of them as your subs is a little premature?
It sounds like they are much less committed to you than you are to them.




DocStrange -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/4/2016 7:08:34 PM)

Disappearing older online sub with a 21 year Domme is nothing new or disturbing. I would call that the norm. You even state the older subs are not what you are really looking for anyways.

If a relationship is going to last there needs to be some common interest beside play for money. I am not against findommes or ProDommes. But there needs to be a connection between the 2 of you. Why are you playing with older subs if that is not what you are looking for?

The percentage of disappearing subs tends to drop when meeting in person. It even drops further when the sub and Domme have some common interests that meets both people's needs.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/7/2016 8:48:50 AM)

I myself are registered severely disabled fake fukery.and i word that nicely




JanahX -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/7/2016 8:27:25 PM)

You must be new to this - because I would say 90% of these online people are full of shit & just looking for something free to get off to.





DisabledMistress -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/13/2016 1:46:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DocStrange

Disappearing older online sub with a 21 year Domme is nothing new or disturbing. I would call that the norm. You even state the older subs are not what you are really looking for anyways.

If a relationship is going to last there needs to be some common interest beside play for money. I am not against findommes or ProDommes. But there needs to be a connection between the 2 of you. Why are you playing with older subs if that is not what you are looking for?

The percentage of disappearing subs tends to drop when meeting in person. It even drops further when the sub and Domme have some common interests that meets both people's needs.


Sorry for the late replies. On BDSM sites it seems like people My age aren't willing/can't accept the fact I have a physical disability. It's usually only older guys that message Me too. Unfournately people not accepting Me for who I am is nothing new, but I've been luckier then many.




DocStrange -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/13/2016 1:52:43 PM)

If doing pay for play, most 21 year olds do not have money. Older men do. So there is an imbalance of what you seek

Outside of pay for play, finding a submissive is possible. It will not happen overnight. Like anything worth doing it will take time.




Andalusite -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/14/2016 8:21:01 PM)

Well, if they're older (50's or 60's) it isn't surprising if their parents are in their 80's or so and rather frail. I'm doing elder care for an older couple, and I usually bring it up before meeting people in person, but not in the first contact.




longwayhome -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/15/2016 7:59:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

Well, if they're older (50's or 60's) it isn't surprising if their parents are in their 80's or so and rather frail. I'm doing elder care for an older couple, and I usually bring it up before meeting people in person, but not in the first contact.


I'm glad someone else said this.

Whatever bad excuses people come up with to avoid meets, my father did die of cancer and my mother's frailty is a continuing issue in my life. This is a consequence of being in my forties, and I am sure that others will identify with this.

These issues are obviously uncommon for people in their twenties but become more likely the older we get. They can be reasons why some people are not willing for a while to get involved with a new partner or to meet people.

Whether taking extra time to care for a relative is a reason for being unavailable, or just a convenient excuse for cold feet is a matter of judgement. However it is not necessarily an avoidance technique.




sweetieDA -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/15/2016 1:28:22 PM)

I think that they're just not that into you, so are making an excuse so as to avoid a confrontation. Maybe it's because you charge them money and they don't really want to pay you.




MsLadySue -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/15/2016 1:49:12 PM)

I don't know what your online discussions were about, but if the majority was about bdsm activities and what sessions with you would consist of, perhaps that's the problem. I would focus on general conversation as much as possible and tell these people that until you meet in person, and have established that you are comfortable together on a vanilla level, there will be no indepth discussion of bdsm.
Sounds like these 'subs' were using you to get their online fix and had no intention of meeting.




Andalusite -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/15/2016 5:17:44 PM)

Thanks, longwayhome! Even for younger folks, it can still be an issue, actually. I know a lot of 20- and 30-somethings who do elder care part-time for their grandparents. People are also having children later - if the father is 45 and the mother is 40, they'll both be senior citizens when their child is 25.

I've only had the elder care (or similar issues) interfere with meeting someone once. I was helping out a friend whose Grandpa was dying, keeping vigil, cooking for them, helping keep her niece and nephew occupied, etc., then packing up stuff to take to charity or to storage after he passed away. I couldn't really get online during that time, it felt like it'd be crass to go on a BDSM personals site with someone dying in the other room, and the kids were around and wanted to know what I was looking at and whatnot a lot.

I haven't really had issues like the OP describes with flakes. Sometimes a conversation kinda peters out, or we can't seem to get schedules to align (which I figure means we wouldn't be compatible for a relationship anyway, since I want to actually be able to spend time together), but most of the people who've seemed to have a mutual interest have been willing and able to meet in person within 1-3 weeks.

MsLadySue, I sometimes do a bit of discussion of BDSM stuff, but I try not to make it too fantasy-oriented, and talk a lot about vanilla stuff as well.




DisabledMistress -> RE: Noticed a really distrubing trend in the way my relationships with my subs end (1/15/2016 7:07:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

I don't know what your online discussions were about, but if the majority was about bdsm activities and what sessions with you would consist of, perhaps that's the problem. I would focus on general conversation as much as possible and tell these people that until you meet in person, and have established that you are comfortable together on a vanilla level, there will be no indepth discussion of bdsm.
Sounds like these 'subs' were using you to get their online fix and had no intention of meeting.


These subs that I am talking about were ones that messaged Me on fetlife (when I was on fetlife) and requested to serve Me, and also those that have responded to CL ads, and the main content of the initial message they sent was BDSM related and it kind of just went from there, if that makes sense?

Regarding what has been said above re older people needing to look after their parents/their own parents being frail, I can see how and why that happens, but I guess My point is why start something if you've got that kind of commitment in your life already and know that looking after your mum/dad/aunt requires a lot of time? (I know obviously care needs and health and the like can change over time, but still....)




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