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How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 7:14:02 PM   
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So there is this guy who I intellectually connect with, and am considering a casual night of sexual fun with him.

But something bothers me.

First of all, when we spoke detailedly about our sexual preferences, we are world's apart.

So I said to him, what fun are you gonna have with me at all? You're gonna do everything you don't enjoy and get absolutely zero pleasure back from me?

He claims, his really enjoying my intellectual company, so his happy to go along with whatever I want, just to meet me.

And then he said, "Anyway, I've always had no problems getting women to do exactly what I want in bed. Women seem to do anything the guy wants to please him, thinking that will keep her man with her, even though that's usually not true."

I kinda raise an eyebrown on that!

Am I over sensitive? I feel like there is something I should be interpreting from that, but not sure exactly what. I am on the fence about meeting this guy now, after that statement ha!

I think, the thing is, why is he talking down about women who would do anything to please him in bed? Isn't that a good thing? He should appreciate them more!

I'm like a novelty experience now? Spend a night, doing nothing he wants in bed?

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 7:34:46 PM   
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Might it be possible to meet for coffee and/or dinner, deferring the question of carnal fun till you have a sense of whether there's any chemistry?

Good luck!

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 7:39:00 PM   
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FR

Might it be possible to meet for coffee and/or dinner, deferring the question of carnal fun till you have a sense of whether there's any chemistry?

Good luck!

I am not worried about sexual chemistry. I give a man a blue print on how to pleasure me. It's easy for any man to pleasure me. So if he says his willing to follow instructions, he will naturally do a good job in bed even though there is no natural chemistry. The other thing is. All my sexcapades always starts off with dinner. That's a given. I don't meet someone for the first time in a non-public area, and do ice-breaking in a private area.



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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 8:14:19 PM   
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You say your sexual interests are worlds apart. Does this mean his sexual interests are hard limits for you? Things you find distasteful? Or simply things that don't do anything for you and you have no personal interest in?

I ask, because he seemed to imply he had expectations of getting what he wanted anyway, despite your sexual incompatibilities.
That would be my main concern, as someone ignoring hard limits can have some pretty serious consequences.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 8:17:50 PM   
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Never expect anyone to change for you... If you want a lasting relationship change should not be the basis for it.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 8:21:43 PM   
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kd....................that's why the divorce rate is so high......................both sides want to change the other partner.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 8:40:43 PM   
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His statement made me think red flag! I feel you should follow your gut instinct and give this guy a pass.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 9:09:17 PM   
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You say your sexual interests are worlds apart. Does this mean his sexual interests are hard limits for you? Things you find distasteful? Or simply things that don't do anything for you and you have no personal interest in?

He has normal sexual interests. I'm the one with abnormal sexual interests. He wants to go down on a woman and french kiss. I don't do any of that. Hate those things, don't enjoy it, rather not have sex at all, than to tolerate those awful things! So those things are banned in any sexual experience with me. Maybe the only other less than common, but quite common in bdsm, is anal play and sex, which is also banned in any sexual experience in me too.

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I ask, because he seemed to imply he had expectations of getting what he wanted anyway, despite your sexual incompatibilities.
That would be my main concern, as someone ignoring hard limits can have some pretty serious consequences.

Yea, I think this would be a concern too, if he means it that his gonna respect my limits. And my limits are limits that most men would balk at, understandably. But as I said, my limits are like normal stuffs that people do, so even if he trespass, I just get angry, and go off. That would be the end of it. Nothing that would cause me serious harm.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 9:10:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
So there is this guy who I intellectually connect with, and am considering a casual night of sexual fun with him.

But something bothers me.

First of all, when we spoke detailedly about our sexual preferences, we are world's apart.

So I said to him, what fun are you gonna have with me at all? You're gonna do everything you don't enjoy and get absolutely zero pleasure back from me?

He claims, his really enjoying my intellectual company, so his happy to go along with whatever I want, just to meet me.

And then he said, "Anyway, I've always had no problems getting women to do exactly what I want in bed. Women seem to do anything the guy wants to please him, thinking that will keep her man with her, even though that's usually not true."

I kinda raise an eyebrown on that!

Am I over sensitive? I feel like there is something I should be interpreting from that, but not sure exactly what. I am on the fence about meeting this guy now, after that statement ha!

I think, the thing is, why is he talking down about women who would do anything to please him in bed? Isn't that a good thing? He should appreciate them more!

I'm like a novelty experience now? Spend a night, doing nothing he wants in bed?

Umm, no. Just no, Greta. It isn't even about trying to change the other person to suit yourself, which is bad enough. We've all Been There, Done That to one extent or another and/or had it done to us.

Personally, I would never put myself in a position where I might get intimate with somebody who is sexually incompatible with me. Unknowingly, perhaps, but not knowingly, in any event.

You have not found this to be a recipe for disaster up until now, I shall presume, since you later declared that "I am not worried about sexual chemistry. I give a man a blue print on how to pleasure me. It's easy for any man to pleasure me. So if he says his willing to follow instructions, he will naturally do a good job in bed even though there is no natural chemistry."

Okay, I'm going to go there. This man sees you as a challenge, as a sexual conquest. You don't enjoy oral. That's a challenge for him to put you in a position of forced oral receiving. You will only give your Master oral, so you HAVE done it before willingly and enjoyed doing it to him; therefore, the precedent has already been set in that particular case.

You are an anal virgin. You are also open and blunt when it comes to discussing your sexuality, so he probably already knows that you are a submissive-in-waiting for the next Master Right to come along.

Most vanillas are totally clueless about D/s and see it unfolding as actual, non-consensual slavery with a slave-Owner Master. If you have been "enslaved" before, then you can be "enslaved" again. Simple.

Most vanillas are clueless about the consensuality of BDSM (or about honoring mutual consensuality with respect to a whole shitload of situational issues, which is my biggest beef with vanilla life interactions as commonly engaged in).

What little they've gleaned has to do with extreme Bondage,
Discipline as corporal punishment meted out by Big, Bad Sadistic Psycho-Mofos on poor, itty-bitty, pathetic *creatures* being "forced" into becoming masochistic victims because they are too weak-willed, helpless, and powerless (by being physically restrained and overpowered) to fend for themselves.

Heaps of Humiliation tossed about liberally for good measure filled with acts of Degradation, Debasement, Depersonalizing Objectification, and Dehumanization.
Such is what draws renegade fringe elements like a moth to a flame dancing (playing) around in the devil's playground.

Run, girl, run the opposite direction as fast as your legs can carry you. Don't Walk. Don't Stop to Collect $200 as you pass GO.

Dodge this bullet!


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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 9:13:04 PM   
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You have not found this to be a recipe for disaster up until now, I shall presume, since you later declared that "I am not worried about sexual chemistry. I give a man a blue print on how to pleasure me. It's easy for any man to pleasure me. So if he says his willing to follow instructions, he will naturally do a good job in bed even though there is no natural chemistry."

My longest standing regular FB of 3 years, who adores the hell out of me, has nothing in common with me sexually too. But we intellectually connect so well. That we still have sex and hang out regularly and talk daily anyway. He can go to other women for things I don't give him. So I mean, it has worked out to very good FB relations yes.

That's why I am considering this one, precisely because of intellectual connection.

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You are an anal virgin.

I am not an anal virgin. My x-husband and my x-dom both had anal sex with me. I hated it with both of them. Anal plug, ass play, rimming, experienced them all. I gave them a chance to make me like it. They didn't manage to prove to me that anal is enjoyable.

And yea, this dude isn't from here, his vanilla so not a bdsm dude. The sex will be very very vanilla.

Just trying to figure out if his gonna turn out to be a good guy or bad guy.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 9:19:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Never expect anyone to change for you... If you want a lasting relationship change should not be the basis for it.

Butch

Guys, this is just one night of casual sex.
Why are you guys talking about changing?
Nobody is changing anybody.
I told him everything I don't do to give him a chance to reject me.
I usually do that, as it's good for a man to have sex with me, with his eyes wide open, what he will encounter and also so he won't do the usual things that will make me get up and leave if he chose to carry on ahead.



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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 9:23:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

His statement made me think red flag! I feel you should follow your gut instinct and give this guy a pass.

Yea, shitty thing about gut feeling. I am forming this conclusion too.
But on some ends, he is perfectly nice. He told me even if I didn't want to have sex with him. Come out for dinner and give him a chance. He said his a big boy and can take a no, if I decide I still don't like him after dinner. He said he will even pick me up and send me home.

So on this end, his perfectly gentlemanly. And I feel mentally stimulated by him. I mean, I have had met great sex but I feel not connected with mentally.

It's only because of that strange comment he made about women that would do anything for him in bed, yet, he spoke of them with disdain that bothers me.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 10:01:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

His statement made me think red flag! I feel you should follow your gut instinct and give this guy a pass.

Yea, shitty thing about gut feeling. I am forming this conclusion too.
But on some ends, he is perfectly nice. He told me even if I didn't want to have sex with him. Come out for dinner and give him a chance. He said his a big boy and can take a no, if I decide I still don't like him after dinner. He said he will even pick me up and send me home.

So on this end, his perfectly gentlemanly. And I feel mentally stimulated by him. I mean, I have had met great sex but I feel not connected with mentally.

It's only because of that strange comment he made about women that would do anything for him in bed, yet, he spoke of them with disdain that bothers me.



If he picks you up and sends you home then he will know where you live.
For all you know this guy is a very charming predator/rapist.

And even though he gave you a context ("Women seem to do anything the guy wants to please him, thinking that will keep her man with her, even though that's usually not true.") what he preceded that with is a huge red flag: "Anyway, I've always had no problems getting women to do exactly what I want in bed."

Ignoring your gut is usually a recipe for disaster.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 10:04:27 PM   
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I thought one mounted and pumped a woman's pussy when in bed with her myself?

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 10:12:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
If he picks you up and sends you home then he will know where you live.
For all you know this guy is a very charming predator/rapist.

This part is fine, because I will have him pick me and drop me near my home somewhere but not exactly where I live.


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And even though he gave you a context ("Women seem to do anything the guy wants to please him, thinking that will keep her man with her, even though that's usually not true.") what he preceded that with is a huge red flag: "Anyway, I've always had no problems getting women to do exactly what I want in bed."

I am glad I share it over here, because, you looked at it in another angle I wasn't looking at. That, that could really signal that his looking for non-consensual happenings. But the other thing is, I know where he works, his company, his been very open about where he lives, where he works, and I check it on the internet, there are articles about him, so he has a very public profile. For him to put himself at risk for rape, would be more jeopardizing for him than for me, and all I can say, in my country, as a foreigner misbehaving, they always treat you harsher than if a local was doing the same thing, his whole life will be ruin. That's why I thought, I was over-thinking this.

I was very focus on, why is he going for someone who completely doesn't want to do anything he wants to do when he says he has no problems getting women who wants to do what he wants to do and then saying it in a manner like that's a bad thing.

Further confused by a very successful FB relationship I have that really has no sexual compatibility but just immense intellectual connection. And I am feeling similar intellectual chemistry and mutual admiration for each other's minds.



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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/5/2016 10:14:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: royalarchmason
I thought one mounted and pumped a woman's pussy when in bed with her myself?

As I delve into the crazy sexual universe, I have met several men where penetration is not even important to them at all.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/6/2016 12:02:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75
First of all, when we spoke detailedly about our sexual preferences, we are world's apart.

There's your problem right there.
Give him a pass.


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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/6/2016 5:35:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
If he picks you up and sends you home then he will know where you live.
For all you know this guy is a very charming predator/rapist.

This part is fine, because I will have him pick me and drop me near my home somewhere but not exactly where I live.


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And even though he gave you a context ("Women seem to do anything the guy wants to please him, thinking that will keep her man with her, even though that's usually not true.") what he preceded that with is a huge red flag: "Anyway, I've always had no problems getting women to do exactly what I want in bed."

I am glad I share it over here, because, you looked at it in another angle I wasn't looking at. That, that could really signal that his looking for non-consensual happenings. But the other thing is, I know where he works, his company, his been very open about where he lives, where he works, and I check it on the internet, there are articles about him, so he has a very public profile. For him to put himself at risk for rape, would be more jeopardizing for him than for me, and all I can say, in my country, as a foreigner misbehaving, they always treat you harsher than if a local was doing the same thing, his whole life will be ruin. That's why I thought, I was over-thinking this.

I was very focus on, why is he going for someone who completely doesn't want to do anything he wants to do when he says he has no problems getting women who wants to do what he wants to do and then saying it in a manner like that's a bad thing.

Further confused by a very successful FB relationship I have that really has no sexual compatibility but just immense intellectual connection. And I am feeling similar intellectual chemistry and mutual admiration for each other's minds.






That you have his information will not do you any good if you are dead.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/6/2016 7:24:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

So there is this guy who I intellectually connect with, and am considering a casual night of sexual fun with him.

But something bothers me.

My two cents? There's your answer, we're done here.

K.

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RE: How should I perceive this message? - 1/6/2016 9:27:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

So there is this guy who I intellectually connect with, and am considering a casual night of sexual fun with him.

But something bothers me.

First of all, when we spoke detailedly about our sexual preferences, we are world's apart.

So I said to him, what fun are you gonna have with me at all? You're gonna do everything you don't enjoy and get absolutely zero pleasure back from me?

He claims, his really enjoying my intellectual company, so his happy to go along with whatever I want, just to meet me.

And then he said, "Anyway, I've always had no problems getting women to do exactly what I want in bed. Women seem to do anything the guy wants to please him, thinking that will keep her man with her, even though that's usually not true."

I kinda raise an eyebrown on that!

Am I over sensitive? I feel like there is something I should be interpreting from that, but not sure exactly what. I am on the fence about meeting this guy now, after that statement ha!

I think, the thing is, why is he talking down about women who would do anything to please him in bed? Isn't that a good thing? He should appreciate them more!

I'm like a novelty experience now? Spend a night, doing nothing he wants in bed?

he intellectual connects with you??? maybe he is just agreeing with everything you say and telling you what you want to hear to get you to meet him.. basically just a yes man..

and how exactly does he get women to do what he wants in bed??? maybe he uses drugs to knock them out so they "consent".. look how long Cosby got away with that..

well, if we dont hear from you again, we will know it didnt go the way you expected..

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