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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And btw, in my state we will tell you not to smoke in public and if you do not like it don't come here.. too many people here already.

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As for asthma…what a hoot. Most, and I’m really thinking all, the people I have known that have asthma smoke. I find it ludicrous to even suggest that second hand smoke caused it and I don’t know any that are blaming an attack on it.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
My son's asthma attacks when around cigarettes are all in my head.. yeah right.. and I was a smoker at the time and I had to go outside and indulge in heat and cold.. yeah, I just did that to make a point for anti-smokers and make myself uncomfortable for no reason... ok, that is your belief and I doubt all the blue children in the world will change your mind

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And btw, in my state we will tell you not to smoke in public and if you do not like it don't come here.. too many people here already.

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ORIGINAL: Estring

twicehappy, you should know better than to confuse people with facts. They would rather react emotionally. Shame on you.

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ORIGINAL: Tamerofwild1s


you mean disproving the supposed facts of a person placed their by a political party with monetary agendas . yes . certainly I will believe this person ... NOT[/quote]

Gee you mean those selfsame individuals who i know must be right when they tell me i really really need to wear a helmet?

But they are elected officials...................

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Can we get a list or at least a menu where people can check off the Freedoms they are willing to relinquish versus the ones they want to fight for?

Smoking
Seat Beats
MC Helmets
Riding in the back of pick-up trucks
BDSM websites
Nudity
(feel free to add more)

How about a ban on pompous asses who need to use profanity in an attempt to make a strong point with a weak mind? Can we make a law to outlaw them?

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

Also from the CDC here is this combined table representing all asthma cases and percentage of smokers in the USA; you will notice California is the only state to reach 2 million asthma cases followed by New York and Texas in the one million range. Yet it has the second least number of smokers preceded only by Utah. But Alabama and Alaska had almost the same percentage of smokers but a huge difference in the number of asthma cases.

State            % of smokers            No. of asthma cases

Alabama                24.9                  280,500
Alaska                   23.9                    42,500
Arizona                 18.6                   316,200
Arkansas              25.7                   162,600
California              14.8                2,268,300
Colorado               20.1                   143,400
Connecticut         18.1                    215,900
Delaware               24.5                     79,800
Florida                  20.4                    863,900
Georgia                 20.1                      76,300
Hawaii                   15.9                      73,100
Idaho                    17.5                       86,100
Illinois                  22.2                     795,200
Indiana                 25.0                     398,400
Iowa                      20.8                     190,100
Kansas                 19.8                     174,900
Kentucky             27.6                     232,800
Louisiana             23.6                     265,500
Maine                   21.0                       80,300
Maryland             19.7                     307,300
Massachusetts   18.5                     401,000
Michigan             23.4                     642,300
Minnesota           20.7                     318,600
Mississippi          24.6                     167,900
Missouri              24.1                      189,200
Montana              20.4                        61,000
Nebraska              20.3                      112,100
Nevada                 23.2                        72,000
New Hampshire   21.8                        75,500
New Jersey          18.9                       540,400
New Mexico         20.3                      121,700
New York              20.0                   1,236,200
North Carolina     23.2                       447,200
North Dakota       19.9                         43,600
Ohio                       25.9                       172,900
Oklahoma              26.1                       191,700
Oregon                  20.0                       225,900
Pennsylvania        22.7                       800,900
Rhode Island        21.3                         64,400
South Carolina     24.5                       228,600
South Dakota       20.3                         51,000
Tennessee            26.9                       391,900
Texas                     20.6                    1,175,100
Utah                      10.5                        141,200
Vermont                20.5                          39,500
Virginia                 20.9                         403,400
Washington         19.2                        391,900
West Virginia       26.9                        108,600
Wisconsin            22.0                        350,800
Wyoming              21.7                        129,800

21.7% of Wyoming's population is 3200 I think.  

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ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash

Wow..what a serious case of mass happy bullshit. This is a bit out of character for me, but I am going on a rampant rant because I am simply tired of hearing this crap!
 
For the anti-s who keep stating the term "facts", sorry to say, but your information is just as erroneous and staged as anything else you read. The surgeon general's latest smoke and mirrors (no pun intended) scam has already been unraveled as well. http://www.smokersclubinc.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3394
http://www.smokersclubinc.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2327 
There is no evidence that second hand smoking does a damned thing except maybe make your clothes smell bad (to you, not me). All of the exaggerated claims, most notably the ones that state that some nasty ass medical condition will happen within minutes of being around a smoker are quite simply, big lies. The biggest liars are in "fact" the antismoking organizations, there is your "fact". In the absence of legitimate information, they simply make up, or exaggerate any medical findings they can find. If you want links, I can provide literally hundreds, just ask. If you always believe what you read, bear in mind that a lot of the information you are reading is brought to you by the same administration that is bringing you the Iraq War, based on the pretence of eliminating the invisible weapons of mass destruction.
 
I smoke because I want to. I don’t try to quit, because I like to smoke. I won’t try to compare it to any other unhealthy practice…everything is unhealthy in one way or another. I don't say it's healthy or unhealthy. I don’t purposely blow smoke in someone’s face, although I would a few on here to maybe wake them up, but then again I don’t feel pity for anyone to the extent that I will give up my right to do as I please. If you don’t like smoke in a restaurant, don’t go in, but don’t tell me or the restaurant owner that there has to be segregation or banning. If I come upon a restaurant that does not allow smoking, I leave, I will not eat there…it works both ways people, if you don’t like it, exercise your right to turn tail and go somewhere else. My honest attitude is if you want fresh air, go outside. Making the smokers go outside is about as backwards of a gesture as I have ever seen. As for asthma…what a hoot. Most, and I’m really thinking all, the people I have known that have asthma smoke. I find it ludicrous to even suggest that second hand smoke caused it and I don’t know any that are blaming an attack on it. Fix your own genetics, that’s a more likely cause and a lot more plausible than trying to blame it on something else. Even if it's trigger for some, it certainly didn't cause it. Someone else mentioned that genetics is a cause for cancer, which is reasonably correct. If you have a family that has cancer running in it, I don’t know how to politely tell you this, but you can avoid tobacco or anything else you want, all you want, but you are likely going to die of cancer. If you happen to have a clean genetic trail, well then do what you want because your risk is minimal at best. As for its effect on the poor innocent little lungs of the youngins. Perhaps your memories are rusty, but youngins will do things 100 times worse to themselves before reaching adulthood than a wisp of smoke will. I grew up around smokers and have no ill effects and have outlived many a poor soul that I watched have dirt thrown on their casket.
 
This whole secondhand smoke masquerade is just like religion, it’s a belief, so believe what you want, because there are no facts to back you up either way! By the same token, don’t push your beliefs on me and try to restrict my behavior to conform…cornered even the most passive life form will strike back.
In other words, for the very verbal anti-smokers who are talking bullshit, don’t try to blow smoke up my ass….just kindly blow it out yours (and I bet I won’t suffer any ill effects), because you being all noble and trying to save the world is just pissing a bunch of us off.

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

And btw, in my state we will tell you not to smoke in public and if you do not like it don't come here.. too many people here already.

I would like to beg the moderators indulgence on this one the graphs from the CDC are extremely important to the post.

Here is a link to California's air quality information pages, it seems to me that second had smoke is the least of California's air quality issues, especially considering the number of days California exceeded the EPA's standards in numerous types of air pollution in any given year.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/adam/cgi-bin/db2www/adamtop4b.d2w/branch?sel_AirBasin=SD&Year1=2003&Year2=2004&Year3=2005&Flag=Y&Measure_No=5&sel_SummaryType=basin

Also from the CDC here is this combined table representing all asthma cases and percentage of smokers in the USA; you will notice California is the only state to reach 2 million asthma cases followed by New York and Texas in the one million range. Yet it has the second least number of smokers preceded only by Utah. But Alabama and Alaska had almost the same percentage of smokers but a huge difference in the number of asthma cases.

(my apologies for the curving of the stats, cm would not post them in columns.) 

State            % of smokers            No. of asthma cases

Alabama                24.9                  280,500
Alaska                   23.9                    42,500
Arizona                 18.6                   316,200
Arkansas              25.7                   162,600
California              14.8                2,268,300
Colorado               20.1                   143,400
Connecticut         18.1                    215,900
Delaware               24.5                     79,800
Florida                  20.4                    863,900
Georgia                 20.1                      76,300
Hawaii                   15.9                      73,100
Idaho                    17.5                       86,100
Illinois                  22.2                     795,200
Indiana                 25.0                     398,400
Iowa                      20.8                     190,100
Kansas                 19.8                     174,900
Kentucky             27.6                     232,800
Louisiana             23.6                     265,500
Maine                   21.0                       80,300
Maryland             19.7                     307,300
Massachusetts   18.5                     401,000
Michigan             23.4                     642,300
Minnesota           20.7                     318,600
Mississippi          24.6                     167,900
Missouri              24.1                      189,200
Montana              20.4                        61,000
Nebraska              20.3                      112,100
Nevada                 23.2                        72,000
New Hampshire   21.8                        75,500
New Jersey          18.9                       540,400
New Mexico         20.3                      121,700
New York              20.0                   1,236,200
North Carolina     23.2                       447,200
North Dakota       19.9                         43,600
Ohio                       25.9                       172,900
Oklahoma              26.1                       191,700
Oregon                  20.0                       225,900
Pennsylvania        22.7                       800,900
Rhode Island        21.3                         64,400
South Carolina     24.5                       228,600
South Dakota       20.3                         51,000
Tennessee            26.9                       391,900
Texas                     20.6                    1,175,100
Utah                      10.5                        141,200
Vermont                20.5                          39,500
Virginia                 20.9                         403,400
Washington         19.2                        391,900
West Virginia       26.9                        108,600
Wisconsin            22.0                        350,800
Wyoming              21.7                        129,800

But the first site, number one on the list when i googled Nirvana CA is listed below. So i guess whether or not they ask you to leave depends on what you are smoking.

California Orange Bud Seeds from Nirvana - Marijuana Seeds Review
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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

http://www.sho.com/site/ptbs/prevepisodes.do?episodeid=s1/shs

Watch the video and learn ppl. The EPA came up with a study back in 1993 only to admit that it was a bogus report in 1998. But what do all the anti second hand smoke people do, they go only care about the 1993 study.

Most of these studies today ran by anti smokers usually start them off like this:

"Q: Do you have a lung, heart, or breathing problem?

A: Yes

Q: Are you or were you ever around anyone that smoked?

A: Yes

Well there you go, that's what caused the problem."

Hell people, with studies like that, I can say that bras cause breast cancer.

"Q: Mamm, have you had breast cancer?

A: Yes.

Q: Mamm, have you worn or continue to wear bras?

A: Yes

Well there you go, that's what caused your cancer.

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

There seem to be smokers, non smokers....and then there are anti smoking fanatics. The whole issue is getting ridiculous. Companies can now fire you for smoking...or refuse to hire you in the first place based upon your smoking status. People are losing custody of their children because they are smokers. There are towns that are trying to become smoke free...so it won't even be legal to smoke inside your own home.

To the fanatics that are behind and pushing these movements....I would suggest you use caution. Right now it's smoking. The next item on the agenda is obesity. (Gosh I sure hope none of you anti smoking fanatics are carrying a few extra pounds) Soon there could come a day when you could walk back into your job after lunch and be fired because you were seen eating at Burger King. Not given a position because you didn't match the numbers on the height/weight ratio scale.

If we keep allowing our rights to be stripped from us...it won't be long before we don't have any left to fight for.