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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/11/2016 12:33:16 PM

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And just because you are too lazy too research my accusations doesn't mean everyone else here won't spend 3 minutes doing a Google search.

I don't have to quote blogs because of the truth of what I quote, therefore making the information easily verified. Remember, truth is forever, words are wind

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/11/2016 5:52:42 PM

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Lmao, you get funnier all get time Fido. You know that the fiber optic backbone was laid during the 90s and the government limited access to it to drive programmers to increase efficiency. So limited access to available resources drove innovation. Imagine if the government did the same to oil, we'd have alternate energy, cleaner manufacturing and more research

Yeah? I laid a bunch of fiber in the 90's. Funny, I didn't seem to get that memo about limited access.

Got any cites to support your distorted world views?

http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Ask_this.view&askthisid=186

You ever meet a Nobel prize winner? Because I have. My SATs placed me well above average for schools like Harvard and MIT, the former of which is a joke as I've been told by family members who attended there; Harvard is ok, but it's career altering nature relies upon the contacts you make through them, not from the quality of education.

But I digress, you were calling someone a hillbilly Fido? Next time you try to prey on someone's stupidity, make sure they are not smarter than you

So hill billy - let me give you a quote from your own source.

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The United States once led the world in Web technology. What happened?

The answer is, the merger of the phone companies that control the phone networks decreased competition.

- See more at: http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Ask_this.view&askthisid=186#sthash.Dcx7egVw.dpuf

Echoing EXACTLY what I said earlier. The cause of stop in internet performance wasn't "restricted access". It was decreased competition caused by government policy. The government encouraged / allowed the consolidation of internet services into a handful of giant utilities....

By the way - didn't find any support for your statement

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government limited access to it to drive programmers to increase efficiency

By the way - how ironic of you to quote Bruce Kushnick. Perhaps you've never read his article - 'Net Neutrality is now just 'Net Ridiculous'. Ironic.

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But I digress, you were calling someone a hillbilly Fido? Next time you try to prey on someone's stupidity, make sure they are not smarter than you

I am. My SAT's were perfect, and my family member attended MIT not Harvard. As you noted - Harvard is great for contacts, but well.. you know. And perhaps you should look up what CCIE means. Because in my case, it means I went to school with the architect of the verizon network. So, yanno..

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Next time you try to prey on someone's stupidity, make sure they are not smarter than you.....

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 6:22:09 AM

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MIT, because not everyone can go to caltech. You got all 800s and still act the fool here? And why were you laying down fiber optics?

Ok, let me explain quickly. By having lower bandwidth, it meant things like video had to be compressed. By needing to compress data, it drove innovation, just not for Internet providers. Now can you argue against that concise statement?

I understand there was lack of innovation in the provider side, it was the hardware and programming that innovated. I wrote a paper on this 6 years ago. Maybe you are just catching on, but the rest of the tech world has know on for a long time now

And the CCIE thing is nice. Did you design everything right with him? Maybe you should become a patent clerk

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 7:08:57 AM

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 8:17:18 AM

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Because in my case, it means I went to school with the architect of the verizon network. So, yanno..

No, you didn't there was no architect of the verizon network embodied in one person or even 1000 persons.

I did the e911 for verizon. (just as much as any architect, even more actually, since I had to tell Vinny, Bob and I don't remember his name how to do what they wanted to do). IBMers and Bell Atlantics, Rochester Tel, NY Tel, NYNEX and all that jazzz at the different times.

And definitely not their wireless, that was done by Bell Labs Nortel et al.

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 10:56:12 AM

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Believe what you wish.

Curious. Were you before or after 4ess?

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 1:14:36 PM

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And why were you laying down fiber optics?

Meh - different seasons, different reasons. Did a few hundred miles for CEBIT. Other times was doing intra-campus communications; Other times doing repair work at a NAP. DMV in the Nederlands.

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Ok, let me explain quickly. By having lower bandwidth, it meant things like video had to be compressed. By needing to compress data, it drove innovation, just not for Internet providers. Now can you argue against that concise statement?

Certainly.

Your original statement was:

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and the government limited access to it to drive programmers to increase efficiency.

In point of fact, the government allowed the bells et.al to have higher rates of return, based on the promise that these returns would be plowed into infrastructure - as promised.

What actually happened, however, is a little bit more complicated.

First, the bells et.al lobbied and bribed and got the PSU's to accept 786 K as high speed broadband, allowing them to fulfill their obligation to roll out high speed internet.

Second, the US passed laws requiring internet access to rural areas, at a cost of more than $17000 per mile.

But the point of this - is the government did none of this to drive programmers to increase efficiency. You have it back asswards. Government regulators in return for for donations allowed competition to be thwarted through consolidation; they thwarted the idea of ULEC's; they enshrined the ILEC's last mile monopoly;

The net effect of this was reduced bandwidth - which as you noted spawned compression. But it was a result, not a cause.

Your memory says the repubicans gutted it - my memory says the republicans were the one that deregulated the telcoms and pushed for greater competition, and expanded services.

Still, I'd be interested in your paper.

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And the CCIE thing is nice. Did you design everything right with him?

Your sarcasm to the contrary, I had a pretty good grasp of core and edge routers; bgp, traffic shaping; packetization and prioritization of cell traffic - but this guy lived it.

As a final aside - I called you hill billy because you're wearing what looks to be hill billy clothes in your picture. Only lefties would thereby I assume I thought you were stupid.

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 1:52:00 PM

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Look, suffice it to know exactly what is really going on here. What we see in cable, video and the Internet is falling behind other advanced industrialized nations, is and was neither govt. policy or so-called leftist's desire to tax and regulate.

What was necessary is on the books, regulations were/are there to ensure competition and what happened ? The same thing that always happens. Govt. was bribed, lied to or otherwise refused to act on existing codes and liability by the parties involved. I do not know the technology and don't care. What I do know is greed, avarice and the whole regime of wretched human nature in an unregulated capitalist society.

For example, what better than to get $300,000/yr working for the industry in how to game the system or $90,000/yr as an enforcer of regulations negotiated to ensure competition and performance of the providers ?

What better than to say we will have comp. in telecom, then to watch corrupt govt. acquiescence and see consolidation of markets, [its] share and prices skyrocket ? What better than say we will have comp. in Internet, broadband and video content then to see the various players and end users pay through the nose for it.

When are the American people who even bother to think about and debate these issues going to realize, whether it is Obamacare, or fossil fuel energy, or health care in general, everything in America, is...all about the fucking money.

Sports, land use, water now, ethanol, agric. banking, speculators (banking) war and war materiel, the MIComplex, moves to restrict competition from car sales to car rides, all of it, now becomes only right or left politically in direct proportion to their dependence on and serve the interests in, getting...more fucking money.

America means business. America is a done deal. You live shorter lives than in other countries because of money. You work longer hours beyond quitting time and take billion$ less in vacation time, because of money. Capitalism is the holy grail of a search for more money in a forever, for-profit, rent-seeking society.

It is unsustainable on about every level and we see the signs right before our eyes and do what ? Nothing. Bernie Sanders simply wants to truly yet legitimately regulate and more evenly tax business and labor and he's called a fucking communist. Ridiculous beyond the pale, so we get a racist, misogynist, neo-nazi, demagogue like Trump. America the beautiful.

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 2:17:11 PM

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It is unsustainable on about every level and we see the signs right before our eyes and do what ? Nothing. Bernie Sanders simply wants to truly yet legitimately regulate and more evenly tax business and labor and he's called a fucking communist. Ridiculous beyond the pale, so we get a racist, misogynist, neo-nazi, demagogue like Trump. America the beautiful.

Bernie wants to tax things more "fairly" where he defines fair.

No thanks. I'll be voting for the racist, mosogynist nazi, thank-you very much.

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 2:33:18 PM

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Believe what you wish.

Curious. Were you before or after 4ess?

After 4ESS and during 5ESS. Ivan the poleclimbers time plus before and after.
And I believe the truth, Verizon has 1000s * 10s of network architects.

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 2:56:05 PM

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i work a lot Phydeaux; I'm generally tired and editing text on a phone. Are you saying you got on my case because while editing I switched to drive with which drove? Even if I did, it still supports a theory which has been bouncing around for over a decade anyway. I wrote that paper so long ago idk if bush was president or Obama had taken office

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 3:06:52 PM

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No thanks. I'll be voting for the racist, mosogynist nazi, thank-you very much.

He wont be on the ballot

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 3:29:27 PM

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No thanks. I'll be voting for the racist, mosogynist nazi, thank-you very much.

He wont be on the ballot

I was speaking of Hillary. But you may be right. She may have an indictment in her future.

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 3:30:44 PM

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yeah and im the shah of iran

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 3:44:43 PM

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That picture was a couple years back when I could still walk to all the places I needed. Half the engineers I worked with dressed blue collar. Combine that with the fact that temperatures get below freezing her and I could be under machinery meant that as long as there wasn't a meeting with an outside firm, shaving and button down shirts were optional. It's interesting that the utilitarian nature of simple clothing plays into your xenophobia, especially in regards to your stances between socioeconomic classes. Buddhism describes much of the underlying psychology and sin behind the republican agenda.

Phydeaux, your analysis that the government is corrupt is true. Trump said he cannot be bribed but used money to manipulate politics. How can you support someone who has pretty much admitted to bribing politicians. Thing is that republicans wanting a balanced budget and smaller government is false. Spending sky rocketed during the bush era, and anything that is considered classified is still being payed for, just not spoken about. All classified privatized military work does not make it into the budget as disclosed to the people. They destroyed the constitution through Guantanamo and the patriot act while profiteering from the war in multiple ways. How can you support the party that destroyed the constitution, expanded the government, profited on wars started on lies and destroyed not just the American economy but the world economy twice in a decade while still believing in libertarian philosophy

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 4:04:03 PM

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i work a lot Phydeaux; I'm generally tired and editing text on a phone. Are you saying you got on my case because while editing I switched to drive with which drove? Even if I did, it still supports a theory which has been bouncing around for over a decade anyway. I wrote that paper so long ago idk if bush was president or Obama had taken office

Meh.
The question of compression - I would argue more or less, that compression invariably fails in an environment where Moore's law is operative.
The last mile, is of course not one of those areas.

No question that low bandwidth slowed down development. But there's also no question that technology leapfrogged law, and entrenched stake holders.

I guess my point would be this: the best circumstance would be competing services, with a disinterested regulator. Net Neutrality turns the intenret into a utility. If a company is behaving badly, you can go to a different company, or complain to the regulatory authority.

If a government utility is behaving badly - you have zero recourse. The entire internet revolution after NSFNET/Darpanet the government has been a generation behind, and has been a drag on things.

I seriously dont' think you can't make the case that the government intended to push compression - they didn't have the foresight. But I've said my piece. I've actually enjoyed talking to you. I suspect I would enjoy talking to otter if he ever wanted to get beyond "nutsacker"

If I got on your case it was for the assumption that because I had a different point of view I didn't know what I was talking about; no experience; no education; dumb etc.

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 4:06:30 PM

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Redacted in attempt for civil conversation Phydeaux

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 4:16:33 PM

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That picture was a couple years back when I could still walk to all the places I needed. Half the engineers I worked with dressed blue collar. Combine that with the fact that temperatures get below freezing her and I could be under machinery meant that as long as there wasn't a meeting with an outside firm, shaving and button down shirts were optional. It's interesting that the utilitarian nature of simple clothing plays into your xenophobia, especially in regards to your stances between socioeconomic classes. Buddhism describes much of the underlying psychology and sin behind the republican agenda.

Phydeaux, your analysis that the government is corrupt is true. Trump said he cannot be bribed but used money to manipulate politics. How can you support someone who has pretty much admitted to bribing politicians. Thing is that republicans wanting a balanced budget and smaller government is false. Spending sky rocketed during the bush era, and anything that is considered classified is still being payed for, just not spoken about. All classified privatized military work does not make it into the budget as disclosed to the people. They destroyed the constitution through Guantanamo and the patriot act while profiteering from the war in multiple ways. How can you support the party that destroyed the constitution, expanded the government, profited on wars started on lies and destroyed not just the American economy but the world economy twice in a decade while still believing in libertarian philosophy

Mate - I've been to 85 countries. I"ve lived in em, studied in em, worked in em. You really need to shed your preconceived notions that people that dont agree with you are racist, ignorant xenophobes.

There are so many ways to answer your question.

A). Because trump is far and away the best antidote to the problems this country is going through.
Political correctness is rampant.
Government over reach is rampant.
Government incompetence is rampant.
Much the same way you can probably some up with a dozen reasons to support hillary/sanders /....

B). I'm opposed to the establisment or continuation of a political dynasty.
C). Let me turn it around on you - how can you support a politician such as clinton - who has gone from no money to billionaie while in government service? Who married, supported, and covered up for an admitted rapist?
How can you vote for someone who's biggest accomplishment is - she took bribes, invaded libya, and gave speeches. As for destroying the constitution- your party has had 7 years and super majorities to fix the patriot act.
D). I'll happily vote for trump, because $147K is an inappropriate penalty for not writing a gay message on a wedding cake. And sending the hammonds to jail is unjust.
Well for dozens of other reasons.
None of which make me a racist, or a xenophobe, or ignorant or...

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 4:21:22 PM

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Redacted in attempt for civil conversation Phydeaux

Thanks mate.

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RE: 25 Violations of law. - 1/12/2016 5:07:27 PM

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Political correctness is only a household word so that xenophobes can hide their agenda

Government over reach is rampant, but to accuse only democrats is to ignore the patriot act amongst other happenings

The continuation of either a Clinton or Bush dynasty would be a travesty to democracy.

If you are speaking of a super majority as in 2/3 there has been one in neither house not senate in 30 years, just before the right showed their anti competition, big business agenda

I do not support Clinton; the Clinton administration was almost as corrupt as the bush administration. They might have taken as much money, but they did not do half the damage the Bush family will be known for. Bernie Sanders predicted the problems of the current era more than decade ahead of time

So Bernie, who limits donations tremendously, or trump who has admitted to using money to manipulate politics

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