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Crouchingtiger77 -> Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 2:35:54 AM)
His gun control laws would not have stopped the murders I really wanted to say, that Taya Kyle told Obama 'You are full of shit.'. But, that is not what she said, directly. But it seems Taya knows more on this issue than does Obama.

mnottertail -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 7:01:13 AM)
The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does.

Lucylastic -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 10:05:36 AM)
freakin funny, the whole pretending it has anything to do with stopping "all gun death", bloody hell what an ignorant observation.

BamaD -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 10:07:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does. Actually, by his own admission there are no gun deaths they would have prevented, he just wants to look like he is doing something when most of what he does is already codified in law and the rest is telling his agencies to violate current law.

mnottertail -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 10:16:57 AM)
No, I saw the actual thing, and he said the laws would not have prevented any of the deaths of the loved ones of the survivors at that town hall. (they were pretty special cases) sorta like handing a mental defective your gun.

Lucylastic -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 10:22:12 AM)
I notice a lot of people are upset about the mentally ill issue:) mind you they were more furious before the announcement. no regs, thats the best. yaay

BamaD -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 10:50:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I notice a lot of people are upset about the mentally ill issue:) mind you they were more furious before the announcement. no regs, thats the best. yaay The law already says that anyone declared a danger due to mental problems is prohibited from buying firearms. The problem here is that Obama oked violation of HIPPA and other laws. Of course I would love to see Congress make putting the legally obtained information into the database, too many states, VA for example, refuses to. This needs to be done by law, not by the President changing law with an unconstitutional EO.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 10:57:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does. Actually, by his own admission there are no gun deaths they would have prevented, he just wants to look like he is doing something when most of what he does is already codified in law and the rest is telling his agencies to violate current law. I think that's one of the major problems that people that are against this have...already law for the most part AND they would not have stopped any of the deaths. Nor...I don't believe...has anyone made the claim that Obama said "they would stop all gun death".

BamaD -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 11:02:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does. Actually, by his own admission there are no gun deaths they would have prevented, he just wants to look like he is doing something when most of what he does is already codified in law and the rest is telling his agencies to violate current law. I think that's one of the major problems that people that are against this have...already law for the most part AND they would not have stopped any of the deaths. Nor...I don't believe...has anyone made the claim that Obama said "they would stop all gun death". He didn't, but gun grabbers like to pretend that people who acctually understand the 2nd don't support one thing or another because it won't stop all gun deaths. Like Joe's they are law abiding citizens till they aren't it is a meaningless mantra they repeat thinking it has some bearing on the debate.

joether -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 11:59:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does. Actually, by his own admission there are no gun deaths they would have prevented, he just wants to look like he is doing something when most of what he does is already codified in law and the rest is telling his agencies to violate current law. Its just one of many tools to use in combating a problem. Background checks would not have helped Sandy Hook. What would have helped? A responsible person realizing their son was not fit to ever have access to firearms let alone hold one. Background checks may or may not have helped in preventing San Bernadino. Its hard to say given all the particular bits of information. Lone wolf types with no real 'run in' with the law could obtain firearms fairly easy with a background check before exploding in a rage of bullets.... ...That is why there are OTHER tools to employ. You dont make a modern house with just a hammer these days. Takes a huge combination of tools. But tools do not work on their own. They need a human operator. That means the ability to determine if someone is a risk or not. Better to be on the safe side when there is not enough trust in the individual.

joether -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 12:08:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does. Actually, by his own admission there are no gun deaths they would have prevented, he just wants to look like he is doing something when most of what he does is already codified in law and the rest is telling his agencies to violate current law. I think that's one of the major problems that people that are against this have...already law for the most part AND they would not have stopped any of the deaths. Nor...I don't believe...has anyone made the claim that Obama said "they would stop all gun death". He didn't, but gun grabbers like to pretend that people who acctually understand the 2nd don't support one thing or another because it won't stop all gun deaths. Like Joe's they are law abiding citizens till they aren't it is a meaningless mantra they repeat thinking it has some bearing on the debate. When I see all these mass shootings and even smaller scale shootings, I never see one of these '2nd amendment' types going all 'Call of Duty' on the active shooter? BTW, all those active shooters are 'Honest and Law Abiding' citizens with guns. They do not cease to be honest or law-abiding until....AFTER....they are found guilty in a court of law. Would you trust a 'honest and law abiding' citizen whom is an active shooter at the time with a gun? No of course not! Why should we trust those 'honest and law abiding' citizens with guns? Anyone of them can explode at any moment into a hail of bullets towards innocent people. Because they say we can trust them, right? Like those Oregon militia lunatics that say they are not terrorists (they are terrorists). In order for things to get fixed, trust has to be restored. Gun nuts can behave as they do normally and have very strict controls on firearms. Or they can start working in their communities not as bullies, or those threatening citizens with 'trust me or else'-like statements. In which case firearm laws will not be as restrictive. Heck, might even see a few laws removed off the books. But gun nuts can not trust others for the length of time needed to make a positive change. Its just not in their behavior or mindset. There are plenty of firearm owners whom obtained a firearm for no other reason then they distrust other people with firearms.

WickedsDesire -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 12:23:56 PM)
Over the years I have truly grown wearisome on posting on gun threads. I should have probably saved one of my better informative posts and just copy and paste it into these guns are good, evil, this law, and that law, etc, Guns kill, not people. America is horrific, truly. I will cite a curious article Gun deaths v terrorism deaths in the USA List of countries by firearm-related death rate As I said the other day the American constitution is an archaic document written at time when wiping an indigenous population to the edge of tomorrow (was that star trek) extinction, was the vogue thing to do; those back ward savages, occupying the land many millennia, living in harmony with mother earth, how dare they. Bringing the USA into line with the UK is the only way.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 4:17:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does. Actually, by his own admission there are no gun deaths they would have prevented, he just wants to look like he is doing something when most of what he does is already codified in law and the rest is telling his agencies to violate current law. I think that's one of the major problems that people that are against this have...already law for the most part AND they would not have stopped any of the deaths. Nor...I don't believe...has anyone made the claim that Obama said "they would stop all gun death". He didn't, but gun grabbers like to pretend that people who acctually understand the 2nd don't support one thing or another because it won't stop all gun deaths. Like Joe's they are law abiding citizens till they aren't it is a meaningless mantra they repeat thinking it has some bearing on the debate. When I see all these mass shootings and even smaller scale shootings, I never see one of these '2nd amendment' types going all 'Call of Duty' on the active shooter? BTW, all those active shooters are 'Honest and Law Abiding' citizens with guns. They do not cease to be honest or law-abiding until....AFTER....they are found guilty in a court of law. Would you trust a 'honest and law abiding' citizen whom is an active shooter at the time with a gun? No of course not! Why should we trust those 'honest and law abiding' citizens with guns? Anyone of them can explode at any moment into a hail of bullets towards innocent people. Because they say we can trust them, right? Like those Oregon militia lunatics that say they are not terrorists (they are terrorists). In order for things to get fixed, trust has to be restored. Gun nuts can behave as they do normally and have very strict controls on firearms. Or they can start working in their communities not as bullies, or those threatening citizens with 'trust me or else'-like statements. In which case firearm laws will not be as restrictive. Heck, might even see a few laws removed off the books. But gun nuts can not trust others for the length of time needed to make a positive change. Its just not in their behavior or mindset. There are plenty of firearm owners whom obtained a firearm for no other reason then they distrust other people with firearms. Actually, Joether...not all of these active shooters ARE honest, law-abiding citizens: The Sandy Hook killer STOLE his mother's weapon. That made him a lawbreaker BEFORE he did any killing at all. With a STOLEN gun, not his own. Any 2ND Amendment types who MIGHT have stopped him were put out of commission by the fact that the school was a "gun-free zone". I know how you love those. The shooter at the Oregon campus. Again, it was the mother's weapon that was STOLEN by the young man so he committed a crime before he did any killing...with a stolen gun. Again, the campus was a "gun-free zone". The Columbine killers obtained their weapons illegally. Both had juvenile records. The Aurora theater shooter had booby-trapped his apartment, going to kill or injure any police officers who came to search, as he knew they would, after his attack. That was a crime committed before he started doing any shooting. Oh...and BTW? The Aurora Theater complex? Yeah, another "gun-free" zone. All this...and more...has been pointed out to you before, Joether and yet, you keep trying to pass all this bullshit of the "honest, law-abiding" citizen off as true.

BamaD -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 4:28:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does. Actually, by his own admission there are no gun deaths they would have prevented, he just wants to look like he is doing something when most of what he does is already codified in law and the rest is telling his agencies to violate current law. Its just one of many tools to use in combating a problem. Background checks would not have helped Sandy Hook. What would have helped? A responsible person realizing their son was not fit to ever have access to firearms let alone hold one. Background checks may or may not have helped in preventing San Bernadino. Its hard to say given all the particular bits of information. Lone wolf types with no real 'run in' with the law could obtain firearms fairly easy with a background check before exploding in a rage of bullets.... ...That is why there are OTHER tools to employ. You dont make a modern house with just a hammer these days. Takes a huge combination of tools. But tools do not work on their own. They need a human operator. That means the ability to determine if someone is a risk or not. Better to be on the safe side when there is not enough trust in the individual. You say stuff like this but how would you "prove" they were safe? People fool shrinks all the time.

BamaD -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 4:32:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The link leads nowhere. However, it would be true, handing guns to mentally ill people will not be covered under these measures. To bad this Taya didnt go public and say something as stupid like: "Kyle don't give guns to the mentally infirm as therapy, they, like you are making it up as they go along." Nobody has ever said these measures will stop all gundeath. Seems like that old worn out chestnut is pissing in the wind, like al_SheBubba does. Actually, by his own admission there are no gun deaths they would have prevented, he just wants to look like he is doing something when most of what he does is already codified in law and the rest is telling his agencies to violate current law. I think that's one of the major problems that people that are against this have...already law for the most part AND they would not have stopped any of the deaths. Nor...I don't believe...has anyone made the claim that Obama said "they would stop all gun death". He didn't, but gun grabbers like to pretend that people who acctually understand the 2nd don't support one thing or another because it won't stop all gun deaths. Like Joe's they are law abiding citizens till they aren't it is a meaningless mantra they repeat thinking it has some bearing on the debate. When I see all these mass shootings and even smaller scale shootings, I never see one of these '2nd amendment' types going all 'Call of Duty' on the active shooter? BTW, all those active shooters are 'Honest and Law Abiding' citizens with guns. They do not cease to be honest or law-abiding until....AFTER....they are found guilty in a court of law. Would you trust a 'honest and law abiding' citizen whom is an active shooter at the time with a gun? No of course not! Why should we trust those 'honest and law abiding' citizens with guns? Anyone of them can explode at any moment into a hail of bullets towards innocent people. Because they say we can trust them, right? Like those Oregon militia lunatics that say they are not terrorists (they are terrorists). In order for things to get fixed, trust has to be restored. Gun nuts can behave as they do normally and have very strict controls on firearms. Or they can start working in their communities not as bullies, or those threatening citizens with 'trust me or else'-like statements. In which case firearm laws will not be as restrictive. Heck, might even see a few laws removed off the books. But gun nuts can not trust others for the length of time needed to make a positive change. Its just not in their behavior or mindset. There are plenty of firearm owners whom obtained a firearm for no other reason then they distrust other people with firearms. Four reasons They virtually always happen in gun free zones so ccw holders don't have guns. When it happens somewhere that guns are allowed it gets stopped before it counts as a mass killing. It doesn't fit the narrative so it doesnt get covered. Anyone who covers it is obviously lying (according to you) so you dismiss it.

ifmaz -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 6:31:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether When I see all these mass shootings and even smaller scale shootings, I never see one of these '2nd amendment' types going all 'Call of Duty' on the active shooter? ... That's because you're not looking for them, probably because it doesn't fit your agenda. A quick Google search revealed numerous articles with concealed carry holders stopping mass shootings and smaller-scale shootings.

JVoV -> RE: Taya Kyle Tells Obama (1/8/2016 7:46:40 PM)
To quote Chris Rock, “Never go to clubs with metal detectors. Sure it feels safe inside. But what about all those niggas waiting outside with guns? They know you ain't got one.” Anyone hellbent on murder isn't looking for a fair fight. They're either focused on specific targets or on the highest body count possible. Getting caught or killed before they reach their goals isn't acceptable in their plans. So they'll target their victims in the least secure places possible, be it the movie theater that is criminally negligent in their security, or schools that have no armed security or police resource officers. We have laws, and we have defined punishments for breaking those laws. Yet we have overcrowded jails and prisons all around the country because criminals just don't give a fuck about any of it.

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