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Real0ne -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/9/2016 3:12:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

How about we just go back and retroactively surrender the Revolutionary War?



If you think we won the rev war in any kind of meaningful way you better go back and study more history.

What they didnt undermine themselves the brits did in the following 100 years, and now we reap the rewards of 200 years of traitors in charge.

Hell only one prezzie dante was not british.


Is ruling in the genes? All presidents bar one are directly descended from a medieval English king

Amazing how that happens in a democracy aint it? [8D]


suck suck suck, ah say suck it up!








Real0ne -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/9/2016 3:25:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

All we would see due to the corporate owned media, is what propaganda is necessary for the codification of greed, avarice and a further concentration of power in the executive.

We might see a constitutionally ratified crony, capitalist fascism.



ha!

thats essentially what the constitution already is, it sets citizens up as the debtors, [aka bond slaves], but as it stands it at least has a tiny sliver of light. A convention would cement that over for good. With cams gubblemint spying that the net made so easy and a country full of incredulous historical retards 1984 is already here. Somewhere I have the court case where in dicta they talked about the US being the NWO. I can go on and on, the whole shit mess is hilarious. Like the opening lines when morpheus explains explains the matrix to neo. [8D]



Dvr22999874 -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/9/2016 3:32:09 PM)

If you re-write the constitution over there, you will have a whole lot of input from that nice Mister Murdoch and his media. I can imagine what the new constitution would look like if he and his cronies get their slimy little fingers into the mix. Thank the million gods he is one of yours now and no longer an Aussie; the piece of slime



DesideriScuri -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/10/2016 6:20:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
The best fix would be changing one word; where it delineates that powers not specifically delineated for the federal government MAY be reserved to the states changed to SHALL be reserved to the states.
Channeling my inner libertarian


I like it. I like it a lot.

I'd like to see (in no particular order):
  • Congressional Term limits
  • Balanced Budget requirements
  • Limitation of Federal authority (or a forced conservative interpretation) of "Interstate Commerce" strictly to actions one state places on commerce on another state, at state levels.
  • Flat tax, or Consumption Tax
  • Public Health Care, modeled after the UK's plan



Real0ne -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/10/2016 5:29:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech
The best fix would be changing one word; where it delineates that powers not specifically delineated for the federal government MAY be reserved to the states changed to SHALL be reserved to the states.
Channeling my inner libertarian


I like it. I like it a lot.

I'd like to see (in no particular order):
  • Congressional Term limits
  • Balanced Budget requirements
  • Limitation of Federal authority (or a forced conservative interpretation) of "Interstate Commerce" strictly to actions one state places on commerce on another state, at state levels.
  • Flat tax, or Consumption Tax
  • Public Health Care, modeled after the UK's plan







@Merc - "reserved to the states" and how is that going to help you?

@Desi - "Flat tax" and how is that going to help you?

@Desi - "Consumption Tax" and how is that going to help you?



DesideriScuri -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 12:22:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech
The best fix would be changing one word; where it delineates that powers not specifically delineated for the federal government MAY be reserved to the states changed to SHALL be reserved to the states.
Channeling my inner libertarian

I like it. I like it a lot.
I'd like to see (in no particular order):
  • Congressional Term limits
  • Balanced Budget requirements
  • Limitation of Federal authority (or a forced conservative interpretation) of "Interstate Commerce" strictly to actions one state places on commerce on another state, at state levels.
  • Flat tax, or Consumption Tax
  • Public Health Care, modeled after the UK's plan

@Merc - "reserved to the states" and how is that going to help you?


It's a limit on Federal authority. Might not help directly.

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@Desi - "Flat tax" and how is that going to help you?
@Desi - "Consumption Tax" and how is that going to help you?


Depending on the tax rate, it might not help me at all. I prefer to not tax income, but rather tax consumption. That gives me more choice on how much tax I pay. Either tax structure, though, will be simpler, and will reduce the need for a massive IRS.



Real0ne -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 5:24:59 PM)

The problem is that the states are so damned crooked the only time you can get remedy is running your case through the feds.
Who gives a rats ass about the states, its individual rights that people should pay attention to not the criminal states. remembering the state corruption 'making a murderer' and a host of other cases like it that unfortunately did not make hollywood.


well the present graduated tax taxes more as you go up.

what else could be taxed that could be considered a luxury tax except for income?


How does rockefeller consume more than a median income person?



KenDckey -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 5:31:04 PM)

I am more in favor of just a flat tax. It guarantees a percentage of everyone's income. The larger the income, the more actual dollars go toward taxes. It really wouldn't matter how much you make, we all would pay our share.



Real0ne -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 5:38:27 PM)

So lets play with the numbers for shits and giggles and lets say your fair share is 75% of everything you make. You advocate a flat tax so the person making 10 grand pays 7500, with 2500 bucks left to live on for the year while the person making 10 million pay 7.5 million with 2.5 million to live on for the rest of the year.

Instead of the graduated tax we have now where the person who earns 10,000 pays nothing at all.

So why shoudl the poor vote for the flat tax?



thompsonx -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 5:39:14 PM)


ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

If you re-write the constitution over there, you will have a whole lot of input from that nice Mister Murdoch and his media. I can imagine what the new constitution would look like if he and his cronies get their slimy little fingers into the mix. Thank the million gods he is one of yours now and no longer an Aussie; the piece of slime


You can have the piece of shit back...I will even chip in to cover the freight.



thompsonx -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 5:41:57 PM)


ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I am more in favor of just a flat tax. It guarantees a percentage of everyone's income. The larger the income, the more actual dollars go toward taxes. It really wouldn't matter how much you make, we all would pay our share.


Not at all. All it does is make rich people richer and poor people poorer. If that concept escapes you perhaps you might take it up with a fourth grade math teacher.



bounty44 -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 5:49:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I am more in favor of just a flat tax. It guarantees a percentage of everyone's income. The larger the income, the more actual dollars go toward taxes. It really wouldn't matter how much you make, we all would pay our share.


Not at all. All it does is make rich people richer and poor people poorer. If that concept escapes you perhaps you might take it up with a fourth grade math teacher.



why dont you elucidate on "that concept" and actually take us through the financial math yourself. especially as its so simple a 4th grade math teacher can do it.



thompsonx -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 5:54:12 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I am more in favor of just a flat tax. It guarantees a percentage of everyone's income. The larger the income, the more actual dollars go toward taxes. It really wouldn't matter how much you make, we all would pay our share.


Not at all. All it does is make rich people richer and poor people poorer. If that concept escapes you perhaps you might take it up with a fourth grade math teacher.


why dont you elucidate on "that concept" and actually take us through the financial math yourself. especially as its so simple a 4th grade math teacher can do it.


Ro did a pretty good job of it so I will just repost his response since you obviously had your head up your ass while he was posting it.

So lets play with the numbers for shits and giggles and lets say your fair share is 75% of everything you make. You advocate a flat tax so the person making 10 grand pays 7500, with 2500 bucks left to live on for the year while the person making 10 million pay 7.5 million with 2.5 million to live on for the rest of the year.

Instead of the graduated tax we have now where the person who earns 10,000 pays nothing at all.

So why shoudl the poor vote for the flat tax?



Dvr22999874 -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/11/2016 6:24:06 PM)

No thanks Thompson. It took long enough to get rid of the shithead. looking at him reminds me of the emperor in Star Wars, except in my opinion, murdoch is a lot more evil and scheming ( a true syph lord). He has blotted his copybook in Australia and U.K. and seems to be doing a fair job on the U.S. now.

Maybe we could have a blanket muster and get enough money to ship him HALFway back here ? That would put it somewhere just south of the line in the Pacific I would say.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/12/2016 12:14:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
The problem is that the states are so damned crooked the only time you can get remedy is running your case through the feds.
Who gives a rats ass about the states, its individual rights that people should pay attention to not the criminal states. remembering the state corruption 'making a murderer' and a host of other cases like it that unfortunately did not make hollywood.
well the present graduated tax taxes more as you go up.
what else could be taxed that could be considered a luxury tax except for income?
How does rockefeller consume more than a median income person?


Rockefeller more than likely consumes a lot more stuff, that the average joe considers a "luxury." Rockefellers likely buy higher dollarl items, too (which draws more tax).

How much are you taxing the income of people working "under the table?" How much are you taxing the incomes of people involved in illegal activities like prostitution or drug trade?





Phydeaux -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/12/2016 12:38:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: bounty44

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I am more in favor of just a flat tax. It guarantees a percentage of everyone's income. The larger the income, the more actual dollars go toward taxes. It really wouldn't matter how much you make, we all would pay our share.


Not at all. All it does is make rich people richer and poor people poorer. If that concept escapes you perhaps you might take it up with a fourth grade math teacher.


why dont you elucidate on "that concept" and actually take us through the financial math yourself. especially as its so simple a 4th grade math teacher can do it.


Ro did a pretty good job of it so I will just repost his response since you obviously had your head up your ass while he was posting it.

So lets play with the numbers for shits and giggles and lets say your fair share is 75% of everything you make. You advocate a flat tax so the person making 10 grand pays 7500, with 2500 bucks left to live on for the year while the person making 10 million pay 7.5 million with 2.5 million to live on for the rest of the year.

Instead of the graduated tax we have now where the person who earns 10,000 pays nothing at all.

So why shoudl the poor vote for the flat tax?



Whereas the real answer - to any kind of tax rate at 75% is - that the rich guy leaves taking his money to the bahamas - and the money he would have spent on healthcare, buildilngs, food and planes is spent instead in the bahamas.

Taxing income is stupid. Just what we want to do - discourage people from getting jobs.
Tax what they spend.



KenDckey -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/12/2016 1:51:35 AM)

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75%


ROFLACGU

No one pays that much now. Didn't look hard but it appears that 17% is more like it http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/gop-candidates-resurrect-flat-tax-proposal



bounty44 -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/12/2016 4:44:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: bounty44

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I am more in favor of just a flat tax. It guarantees a percentage of everyone's income. The larger the income, the more actual dollars go toward taxes. It really wouldn't matter how much you make, we all would pay our share.


Not at all. All it does is make rich people richer and poor people poorer. If that concept escapes you perhaps you might take it up with a fourth grade math teacher.


why dont you elucidate on "that concept" and actually take us through the financial math yourself. especially as its so simple a 4th grade math teacher can do it.


Ro did a pretty good job of it so I will just repost his response since you obviously had your head up your ass while he was posting it.

So lets play with the numbers for shits and giggles and lets say your fair share is 75% of everything you make. You advocate a flat tax so the person making 10 grand pays 7500, with 2500 bucks left to live on for the year while the person making 10 million pay 7.5 million with 2.5 million to live on for the rest of the year.

Instead of the graduated tax we have now where the person who earns 10,000 pays nothing at all.

So why shoudl the poor vote for the flat tax?


I didn't ask realone, I asked you.

and realone did nothing of the sort. all he did was illustrate what a 75% tax (absurd to begin with) does to two different numbers. apart from that those arent the actual mechanics of a flat tax, there is nothing in that that shows how the "rich get richer"---unless you count, which I suspect you do being a leftie type, that being able to hang on to more of your own money means "getting richer?"

whats more, typical flat tax plans replace other "taxes", most notably, the payroll tax (and retain the earned income credit as well). the net effect there is again, that even the "poor" get to hang on to more of their money.

they also still include a deduction and personal exemption. in ted cruz's case for instance, its 10k, with a 4k personal exemption. and under his plan, a family of 4 doesn't pay any tax until after 36k.

so, tell me again which one of has the head in ass thing going on?



DaddySatyr -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/12/2016 5:33:03 AM)


The Constitution isn't broken. It's the dim-witted fuckheads who bastardize what it stands for that's broken.



Michael



Real0ne -> RE: Fix the Constitution (1/12/2016 9:10:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

quote:

75%


ROFLACGU

No one pays that much now. Didn't look hard but it appears that 17% is more like it http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/gop-candidates-resurrect-flat-tax-proposal


it was an example to help those who didnt get the point more easily grasp the meaning of what I am trying to say.

So here is a picture:


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/tax%20101_1.png[/image]

Just because it isnt 75% right this second does not mean it wont be tomorrow, or are you planning on giving us a cap guarantee?

So like the rest of the flat taxers you advocate lowering the taxes of the wealthiest 1% where 95% of the money is disposable and raising taxes on the lowest income people to make up for it where 95% of their money is spent on survival?

good plan







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