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KenDckey -> Leading Causes of Death (1/11/2016 11:56:27 AM)
[image][/image] Interesting Chart on death by the CDC. Note poisoning, Traffic, Falls and then Firearms are the leading causes of death. Unfortunately I could only find a chart for 2013 [image]local://upfiles/286522/8D8730A5B81E439E9F10AF884154FF96.gif[/image]

joether -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/12/2016 6:07:23 PM)
Its an interesting chart, but it is both incomplete and misleading. Take the 15-24 age group: 1. Unintentional Motor Vehicle Traffic 2. Homicide, Firearm 3. Unintentional Poisoning 4. Suicide, Firearm 5. Suicide, Suffocation 6. Unintentional Drowning 7. Suicide, Poisoning 8. Homicide, Cut/Pierce 9. Undetermined Poisoning 10. Unintentional Fall In how many places, could someone 15 to 24 have killed themselves? Be it determine to be true or no one knew the person killed themselves? The answer is 1 thru 10. There are examples in which someone may have pushed themselves towards police whom had guns drawn with intent to get them to fire. Are these listed as Suicide or Homicide? It would help if we were able to get into that person's brain and find out. But as it stands, we do not have the technology to perform that investigation. While the chart gives information at a glance, it really does not state the problems being faced, nor solutions to combat those problems. Homicide with a firearm is....ANYTHING...to do with a firearm. From a terrorist shooting, to some unfortunate being hit by a stray bullet. It does not really break things down on to the causes of each particular issue. Unintentional death due to motor vehicle traffic is a big one. Is it caused bye drive error, or equipment break down? Did we see more accidents on one particular type of road interception than another (i.e. 'Clover On/Off Ramps' verse Rotaries)? It is an interesting graph, but doesn't really help except as a historical footnote to compare later if changes are made into different problem areas.

Termyn8or -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/12/2016 6:39:50 PM)
"Homicide with a firearm is....ANYTHING...to do with a firearm." By the technical definition of the word yes, but to a thinking, rational adult, no. If I catch you stealing my tools and put a .38 hole in you, that might meet the technical definition of homicide because we both look just like humans. It depends on how you want to take the etymology of the word. The "homo" part, does it mean sameness as in homonym, homogenous, or the species like in homosapien, homonid etc. ? As far as I am concerned, homicide is not all that bad a word. Abortions are homicides. Euthenasia is homicide. Killing in self defense is homicide. But none of these things are considered murder. Cops kill more people than anyone else, but in most cases it is not murder (hoopefully). but it is still homicide and they did it with a gun. In very few cases do they beat someone to death or choke them, but it does happen. "It does not really break things down on to the causes of each particular issue. Unintentional death due to motor vehicle traffic is a big one. Is it caused bye drive error, or equipment break down?" Questioning those unquestionable statistics are ye ? Well that is good. Watch a movie called "The Palermo Connection" (Jim Belushi) for details. There is a discussion of polls in it, in HOW you ask the question. Actually simple, but expound on it. None of these statistics can give a true picture of what is going on. Actually I don't see what all the fuss is about. You add up al the numbers ad they are still statistically insignificant. And look the Mommy of some dead Columbine kid in the eye and say that ? Yes I will. What happened was horrible but we are not changing the whole country over it. Call me when it gets to one percent. that would be 3.3 million. You are barely at one percent of that. One percent of one percent. If you want more gun laws then get out there and shoot more people. T^T

joether -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/12/2016 11:24:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "Homicide with a firearm is....ANYTHING...to do with a firearm." By the technical definition of the word yes, but to a thinking, rational adult, no. If I catch you stealing my tools and put a .38 hole in you, that might meet the technical definition of homicide because we both look just like humans. It depends on how you want to take the etymology of the word. The "homo" part, does it mean sameness as in homonym, homogenous, or the species like in homosapien, homonid etc. ? Trying to twist things around, eh? Until the police clear you of charges, it could be considered a homicide. In fact, the police might not believe, charge and send you to court. During trial, the charges are dropped for any number of reasons. Yet, it would be reported as 'Homicide, Firearm' in the CDC's system here. Second you took the sentence well out of context..... quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or As far as I am concerned, homicide is not all that bad a word. Abortions are homicides. Euthenasia is homicide. Killing in self defense is homicide. But none of these things are considered murder. Cops kill more people than anyone else, but in most cases it is not murder (hoopefully). but it is still homicide and they did it with a gun. In very few cases do they beat someone to death or choke them, but it does happen. Abortions are NOT homicide. Since when does life begin? Scientifically it starts when the organism can survive on its own without the mother or egg (in the case of avian). Religiously its at conception. Unfortunately, life begins according to the US Supreme Court: anytime after birth. So according to the US Supreme Court, a fetus is not a human, so therefore, can not be homicide. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: joether "It does not really break things down on to the causes of each particular issue. Unintentional death due to motor vehicle traffic is a big one. Is it caused bye drive error, or equipment break down?" Questioning those unquestionable statistics are ye ? Well that is good. Watch a movie called "The Palermo Connection" (Jim Belushi) for details. There is a discussion of polls in it, in HOW you ask the question. Actually simple, but expound on it. None of these statistics can give a true picture of what is going on. One tool does not create a house from nothing.... quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Actually I don't see what all the fuss is about. You add up al the numbers ad they are still statistically insignificant. And look the Mommy of some dead Columbine kid in the eye and say that ? Yes I will. What happened was horrible but we are not changing the whole country over it. Call me when it gets to one percent. that would be 3.3 million. You are barely at one percent of that. One percent of one percent. If 0.1% of the nation's population is dying due to homicides with guns, that's 300,000+ people. That blows away (pun unintended) every other category by a huge amount. That would be like hearing "A restaurant full of 50 people were mowed down by one person with a gun" every night on TV. How long do you think it would take before Americans said "Fuck this shit" and take action? That mass shootings taken place every day in American with REALLY big attacks every few weeks? This has prompted people to ask serious questions. The answers we are finding are not to our liking. In the political world, one side states "more guns' will solve problems; the other side states "better rules" will solve problems. We have tried the whole 'More Guns' idea. We have nearly as many guns as we do people. Hasn't really stopped problems. So lets try "more rules" that work on paper and in reality? quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or If you want more gun laws then get out there and shoot more people. No, I simply convince people of the merits of a better set of systems. One that allows people to obtain firearms but has a 'checks and balances' system that keeps those with firearms in check. These systems make it harder for arms to fall into the wrong hands, drying up the supply on the black market. End result? More good Americans have guns while the criminal element has clubs and fists. Criminals with firearms becomes a rarity. Isn't that what we both want? Citizens to have arms while criminals and terrorists do not?

Kirata -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 1:26:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether when does life begin? Scientifically it starts when the organism can survive on its own without the mother... You're off your medication again, aren't you. K.

bounty44 -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 2:10:40 AM)
i just took a peek at his blog, where he interprets the conservative notion that little school aged boys and girls should be using bathrooms consistent with their gender as "Why are there so many Republican pedophiles obsessed with children’s genitals? Yeesh!" so if its not medication, its something...

RottenJohnny -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 3:37:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 i just took a peek at his blog... Wait a minute...are you saying Joe has his own blog?! And where can one find that?

bounty44 -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 5:24:58 AM)
http://snarkypenguin.blogspot.com/ https://snarkypenguin.wordpress.com/ its full of rantings about republicans, the tea party, and Christians. joether, while im here---apart from the ton of neuorobiologists, geneticists, and 4th graders with microscopes who would disagree with you about when "life" starts, I read the supreme court in roe v. wade saying this: quote: We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer do you have some other reading in mind that you can document? and interestingly enough...if viability is the working definition for you, unless I am misreading what you wrote, then how is it still morally acceptable to kill babies, er, fetuses, after they have reached that stage? or more reprehensibly, using a partial birth abortion technique?

joether -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 6:57:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether when does life begin? Scientifically it starts when the organism can survive on its own without the mother... You're off your medication again, aren't you. Is that your best answer? Flimsy and irrelevant as usual....

RottenJohnny -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 11:26:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 http://snarkypenguin.blogspot.com/ https://snarkypenguin.wordpress.com/ its full of rantings about republicans, the tea party, and Christians. ROFLMAO!!! Wow. That's some righteous nuttery. For some reason I just can't help but think of the words "left wing nutsucker slobberblogging". [:D]

DominantWrestler -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 11:50:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 http://snarkypenguin.blogspot.com/ https://snarkypenguin.wordpress.com/ its full of rantings about republicans, the tea party, and Christians. joether, while im here---apart from the ton of neuorobiologists, geneticists, and 4th graders with microscopes who would disagree with you about when "life" starts, I read the supreme court in roe v. wade saying this: quote: We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins. When those trained in the respective disciplines of medicine, philosophy, and theology are unable to arrive at any consensus, the judiciary, at this point in the development of man's knowledge, is not in a position to speculate as to the answer do you have some other reading in mind that you can document? and interestingly enough...if viability is the working definition for you, unless I am misreading what you wrote, then how is it still morally acceptable to kill babies, er, fetuses, after they have reached that stage? or more reprehensibly, using a partial birth abortion technique? First trimester abortions have been spreading as the standard. Fetus weighs about half an oz at this point. Also possible with two pills I believe

Lucylastic -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 11:57:49 AM)
99.9999 % partial birth abortions are NOT done without there being a risk to the mother or a defect in the fetus. And as Partial birth abortions are less than 1 % of all abortions. It is NOT supposed to be used as a weapon against any prospective mother or ANY woman.. He wants forced birth. Which is against EVERYTHING in the constitution. Let alone human rights. .

Kirata -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 10:44:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether when does life begin? Scientifically it starts when the organism can survive on its own without the mother... You're off your medication again, aren't you. Is that your best answer? Flimsy and irrelevant as usual.... So you don't deny it? K.

Lucylastic -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 11:10:40 PM)
Well, of coures all human cells are alive. The egg and the sperm.when they come together to form a potential life. If it doesnt implant in the womb, it will be expelled or implant in a non viable place. Once it it is implanted in the uterus, it is indivisible with the female carrying a potential life. It is part of the mother until the child is expelled and breathes. Still attached until the cord is cut or the placenta detaches. Viability is an issue because of the lung development. Technology can save preemies but not much brfore 21 weeks, and now thats almost a yearly development. You boys wanna pick apart the technical stuff and ignore the incubator. You cannot yet cancel the incubators out of the reality.

Kirata -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/13/2016 11:44:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic You boys wanna pick apart the technical stuff and ignore the incubator. You cannot yet cancel the incubators out of the reality. "You boys"? I'm not ignoring anything. I just pointed out that joether was making shit up again. But I'll mention in passing that I don't view a pregnant woman as an "incubator." I view her as a person, and in my opinion the only question is at what point does the newly developing life within her merit similar consideration. K.

bounty44 -> RE: Leading Causes of Death (1/17/2016 7:39:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 http://snarkypenguin.blogspot.com/ https://snarkypenguin.wordpress.com/ its full of rantings about republicans, the tea party, and Christians. ROFLMAO!!! Wow. That's some righteous nuttery. For some reason I just can't help but think of the words "left wing nutsucker slobberblogging". [:D] the most recent of which: quote: Hell's gonna be kinda crowded...What with all them Fox News whores, country radio music directors, child abusers, Nashville record executives, right wing teabaggers, and such.

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