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DesideriScuri -> RE: Friedrichs v. California Teachers Association (2/9/2016 1:56:53 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Lucy, the "no care for the women" argument is a strawwoman argument. It's always been about the rights of the unborn. It's always been about when the protections of human rights is extended to the fetus. In most cases, abortions aren't being done to fetuses spawned by rape or incest.
According to the Guttmacher Institution, 51% of all abortions are given to women who used contraception in the month they got pregnant. That's always the man's fault, right? [8|]
Is it fuck a strawman.... there are people who ONLY Care about the fetus, deny it. go ahead, look at all these men arguing about it. The unborn have no rights, they never have had.
Now I know that there are personhood bills out there, there are lawyers who think they have the rights to speak for their fetus.. But so far they have been found to be unconstitutional, precisely because the woman incubating the fetus is a living individual with her own rights human rights constitutional rights and legal rights.
It is a strawman argument. Why does a mother's rights trump a fetus's rights? The mother's rights aren't being taken away from her like they are for the fetus. Her choice would infringe on the rights of the fetus.
As I have said all along, this is never going to end until a definitive point of "humanhood" for the fetus is determined. At that point, an abortion would be murder (I'm sure there will be exemptions included, like if it's going to end the life of the mother). Prior to that, it's not murder because there are no inherent rights.
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51 % of all abortions are given to women who USED contraception in the month they got pregnant,
Now are we talking about the first month they have been taking birth control?
Or that that 51 % of women had used contraception when they got pregnant.?? tell me please, oh I see from the institute its condoms and hormonal method.
Argue with Guttmacher. It's their stat. You even presented it below. lol
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Whats all the mans fault, ????
That he didnt wear a condom???
As DW said there ARE women who want to "trap" a man, I dont deny it, My disdain for them is the same I hold for false accusations of rape.
IF any man cant realise that wearing a condom can save your wallet more times than not. then Im sorry....you can take the financial blow. Its the only hurt he will suffer. Well of course abandoning the child before or after its born because that hurts the child more than the mother.
Plus, yanno, men pretty much have to be there, and going commando is a sure sign that the possibility that pregnancy isnt in your head, well boys, it should be,
men need MUCH more education of the dangerousness of their spermies.
I don't disagree at all. Use of a condom is a damn good idea to prevent the spread of STD's, and to help prevent unwanted pregnancies.
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Either way... BC fails at an alarming rate. Out of all pregnancies in a year, half of them are unplanned, Right there, stop and inwardly digest.
No, you go ahead and digest all you want. "BC fails at an alarming rate." I have stated before, and been ridiculed, that the only way to ensure you don't get pregnant, or get someone pregnant, is to not have sex. I think there is only one reported case of a woman getting pregnant without sex (and this was prior to in vitro fertilization was developed), and many question the validity of the claim.
If you engage in the risky behavior, even after taking steps to reduce the risk, and still get pregnant, how is it okay for those two to not have to accept the responsibilities (and yes, the male certainly should be help responsible, too) of making a baby?
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Now out of that 50 % of unplanned pregnancies, supposedly around half (your 51%) state that they were on BC. (in the month they got pregnant) what happened to BC?
failed or not strong enough to take care of the uterine lining properly.
How is that only her fault? she wouldnt be pregnant with out a chaps sperm.
It's partially her fault, and partially his. I've never stated otherwise. The 51% comes from Guttmacher. You'll have to contact them to find any more details. Apparently, though, you don't have much of a problem with Guttmacher's statements...
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Lets just look at some of the other Guttermacher statements
• Half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1]
•Twenty-one percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.[2]
• In 2011, 1.06 million abortions were performed, down 13% from 1.21 million in 2008. From 1973 through 2011, nearly 53 million legal abortions occurred.[2]
• Each year, 1.7% of women aged 15–44 have an abortion [2]. Half have had at least one previous abortion.[3]
• At least half of American women will experience an unintended pregnancy by age 45, and at 2008 abortion rates, one in 10 women will have an abortion by age 20, one in four by age 30 and three in 10 by age 45.[4,5]
• Eighteen percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are teenagers; those aged 15–17 obtain 6% of all abortions, 18–19-year-olds obtain 11%, and teens younger than 15 obtain 0.4%.[3]
• Women in their 20s account for more than half of all abortions: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and women aged 25–29 obtain 24%.[3]
• Non-Hispanic white women account for 36% of abortions, non-Hispanic black women for 30%, Hispanic women for 25% and women of other races for 9%.[3]
• Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% identify as Catholic.[3]
• Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions. [3]
• About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children. [3]
• Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).[3]
• Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100–199% of the federal poverty level. * [3]
• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[6]
• Fifty-one percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method in the month they got pregnant, most commonly condoms (27%) or a hormonal method (17%).[7]
[image]http://www.guttmacher.org/graphics/WhenWomenHaveAbortions-Graph.png[/image]
Very very very few women are having abortions beyond 21 weeks... Look into that number and show me where a 9 month fetus is going to be aborted because of "choice" its life of the mother or a medical emergency of the child. Of course killing a nine month fetus is pathetic BUT its the ONE thing people like bounty attempt to parse as fact. When it isnt, not even slightly, in all abortion. its so much bullshit.
As for Michael, pheh
We agree on this more than we don't, Lucy.
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