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AIs (artificial intelligence), A help or a hurt to futu... - 1/12/2016 12:40:19 PM   
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A non-sock thread btw :)

Science Fiction has long had AI’s in one form or another. From the original Star Trek series simply known as Computer, to the Skynet in the terminator, to the mainframe in the Matrix. AI’s has been the savior and the malevolent ruler of man in the world of Science Fiction.

Today we are seeing science fiction AI’s turning into reality before our eyes. Apple’s Siri, Microsoft’s Cortana, IBM’s Watson, Amazon’s Echo and think tanks like MIRI. These are just the beginning. Ask a question and get an answer. No research required. These AI’s can take unstructured data and provide statistical information that has never been available before. Soon they will become much more powerful.

Computers and AI’s have changed the way people learn. Need help with a math problem, snap a photo with your cell phone camera and walla! It automatically does the calcuation for you. Want to know who won the war of 1812? Siri will gladly tell you. Want to know the plot of the book “The catcher and the rye”? Echo will help you.

Math homework will no longer be hard to do. Hours of research in a library no longer is necessary for history class. Some schools do not even teach long division anymore as technology is built into almost every electronic device will do simple math.

For the adult, AI’s open a door to analyze more data that we ever thought possible. But for children, how will AI’s impact their learning ability?

With AI’s answering any question one asks? I feel lucky that I span both worlds. I am not reliant on technology, but it does make my job easier. For the children (grade school & high school) growing up today or the near future when AI’s become much more powerful, will they be 100% reliant on technology? Will AI’s limit their ability to learn? Why learn long division if you have a calculator to always do the math? Are book reports required learning anymore when you simply can ask an AI for information? What is the point of the knowing the capitol of England when you can simply ask as technology will be everywhere. Cell phone will soon be super computers.

I am old school. I am biased to think it is important to learn to still learn the basics of math, physics, literature, history etc. For me, those are the building blocks that open doors to future innovation. I wonder if AI’s will ultimately hurt the learning ability of the young by skipping the basics we grew up with.

What do you think? Will AI’s ultimately help our children learn? Or will AI’s limits the potential of a person to learn?


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RE: AIs (artificial intelligence), A help or a hurt to ... - 1/12/2016 2:25:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		How often do you do long division by hand at your job? Do you use a calculator or a computer to do the calculations for you? Why aren't you doing it by hand if you think that's so superior?

I'd far prefer the architect that draws up plans for a house uses a computer. It guarantees that the math will have the right answer.

Kids today start earlier with technology than we did, and they go farther. It's not uncommon for simple apps to be written by kids to fill a need they have.

I don't want my grandchildren to be taught how to manage in a world where buggy whips were necessary. I want them to learn how to use the technology they need in their life as early as possible so that they are the masters of the technology.

Do you have children? How much benefit did you see from them being assigned 'make work' homework instead of things that taught critical thinking skills.



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RE: AIs (artificial intelligence), A help or a hurt to ... - 1/12/2016 6:31:33 PM   
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How often do you do long division by hand at your job? Do you use a calculator or a computer to do the calculations for you? Why aren't you doing it by hand if you think that's so superior?

I'd far prefer the architect that draws up plans for a house uses a computer. It guarantees that the math will have the right answer.

Kids today start earlier with technology than we did, and they go farther. It's not uncommon for simple apps to be written by kids to fill a need they have.

I don't want my grandchildren to be taught how to manage in a world where buggy whips were necessary. I want them to learn how to use the technology they need in their life as early as possible so that they are the masters of the technology.

Do you have children? How much benefit did you see from them being assigned 'make work' homework instead of things that taught critical thinking skills.



I never said doing things by hand was superior. I am not against technology. Actually far from it. My question is that one day, people may become too reliant on technology and lose basic skills they need to enable their creativity.

I see things like basic mathematics, geometry and trigonometry as key skills sets to be successful in the mechanical industry. Other disciplines will have different basic skill sets that are required. Having a firm grasp on the foundation, one can then use technology more successfully.


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RE: AIs (artificial intelligence), A help or a hurt to ... - 1/13/2016 12:40:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Learning requires several actions. The first is understanding the question or problem. Then determination or calculation. Finally, presentation of the answer. It hurts if the AI replaces the student in performing one or more of these actions.

A real world example is when you hand a cashier a twenty for a $19.27 item and after they ring it up then hand the cashier a quarter and watch what happens especially when you ask the cashier to count it back to you for accuracy. Plan on leaving with too much or too little change and/or spending another minute or two while the cashier panics and maybe freezes up.

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RE: AIs (artificial intelligence), A help or a hurt to ... - 1/13/2016 12:55:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly think kids need to learn the basics by hand.
That way, they can appreciate the tools and technology to help them.

My stepson can't even work out that if he spends £2 and hands over a £5 note that he needs to get £3 change.
He is so reliant on technology that he's utterly useless at even the bare basics of things.
He can barely write too - he uses a word processor to do his work.

And how often do we hear or see where youngsters these days have lost the art of conversation and communication in general because of smart phone Apps?
It wouldn't be the first time I've seen two people date and chat via App even when they are sitting opposite each other over the same table.
Sometimes technology is no friend of the human race.

Technology, whether it's AI or not, needs to be used as a tool rather than something taking over the fundamental thought processes.
Technology and AI has it's place, but not as a replacement for basic thinking.


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RE: AIs (artificial intelligence), A help or a hurt to ... - 1/13/2016 2:04:21 PM   
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I live in the cube farm at work when not traveling. And the idiot right next to me will IM me a question. Really! He cannot look up and ask a question?

I cannot imagine what it will be like in 20 years

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RE: AIs (artificial intelligence), A help or a hurt to ... - 1/14/2016 5:31:12 AM   
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