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Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/16/2016 9:17:26 PM   
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I have been following the news about the New Years assaults in Cologne, the resulting backlash and now this thing with banning refugees from the swimming pools. Since the whole refugee thing has been big news, then throw in the "sexual" element...I would expect this to be widely publicized but all the stories seem to be buried. I have a skepticism of all news...none are unbiased so I usually read both US and Eurpoean news sites as well as Al-Jazeera. The stories are not getting much coverage anywhere so...is this a matter that is really being overblown (not as big of a deal as it seems...more of a propaganda thing...)

I am hoping someone who lives in Europe can really say what is going on (yeah..I read the papers but I can only read the English versions). Will Germany start deportations? Will refugees decide to go to other countries? Are the stories being dramatized as a way to prevent more refugees or as a tool of Merkel's opponents?
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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/16/2016 9:28:35 PM   
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I get the same feeling you are expressing...why are we being told this? Why is there no indepth follow up?

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/16/2016 9:46:50 PM   
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I have been following the news about the New Years assaults in Cologne, the resulting backlash and now this thing with banning refugees from the swimming pools. Since the whole refugee thing has been big news, then throw in the "sexual" element...I would expect this to be widely publicized but all the stories seem to be buried. I have a skepticism of all news...none are unbiased so I usually read both US and Eurpoean news sites as well as Al-Jazeera. The stories are not getting much coverage anywhere so...is this a matter that is really being overblown (not as big of a deal as it seems...more of a propaganda thing...)

I am hoping someone who lives in Europe can really say what is going on (yeah..I read the papers but I can only read the English versions). Will Germany start deportations? Will refugees decide to go to other countries? Are the stories being dramatized as a way to prevent more refugees or as a tool of Merkel's opponents?


It does not fit the narrative, so. . . Crickets.

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/16/2016 9:54:21 PM   
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It was interesting when I was at the border from Switzerland into Germany and France just this mid week. Both areas in Germany and France near the borders were ALL Muslim towns. No white people, okay I exaggerate, but they were minorities, more Arabs. I felt like I was in the middle east seeing so many women wearing head veils. All the food was kebab and turkish stuffs! All I wanted was pork sausage and sauerkraut and I found ZERO! But my friend did tell me I wouldn't find it there ha! Wrong part of Germany! Damn I just wanted some damn authentic German pork sausage and sauerkraft! That's all I wanted!

But in that same place, surprisingly, alot of chinese people too. Although their chinese food is a disgrace hehe!

Didn't realise how Islamiscised Europe is now until I am actually standing in there, and realise, it's practically the middle east! I guess according to leftist, this is utopia for them! So anyway, it's not my country, whatever rocks their boat.





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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/16/2016 10:12:30 PM   
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While I refuse to have anything to do with Al Jazeera, I am able to read some of the European papers.

Just like here, it seems to run along political lines; the papers that are ensconced in the Euro-Socialist vision of the world either refuse to report on it or relegate it to the deep interior of the paper/hard to find sections on the website.

As always, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle; there weren't hundreds of attacks , but a "few" (less than 100). Now, all we need to ask ourselves is: "Isn't one too many?"

For me, this is very telling as to how far some people are willing to go to defend/turn a blind eye to muslim extremism.



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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 9:45:01 AM   
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Reports of Attacks on Women in Germany Heighten Tension Over Migrants

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By REUTERS 1:47
Germans React to New Year Attacks

By MELISSA EDDY
JANUARY 5, 2016
BERLIN — The tensions simmering beneath Germany’s willingness to take in one million migrants blew into the open on Tuesday after reports that scores of young women in Cologne had been groped and robbed on New Year’s Eve by gangs of men described by the authorities as having “a North African or Arabic” appearance.

Taking advantage of the New Year’s Eve street party, hundreds of young men broke into groups and formed rings around young women, refusing to let them escape, the authorities said. Some groped victims while others stole wallets or cellphones.

Witnesses described the atmosphere around the city’s central train station as aggressive and threatening, with firecrackers being thrown into the crowd. The women who were attacked screamed and tried to fight their way free, a man who had struggled to protect his girlfriend told German public television.

The Cologne police added that they had received 90 complaints from victims, including one who said she had been raped. No arrests have been made. (So...not hundreds of attacks but close to a hundred. Probably more if you add in the non-reported attacks)

At a rally in Cologne on Tuesday protesting violence against women, some held signs critical of Chancellor Angela Merkel.

In Hamburg, the police said 10 women had reported that they were sexually assaulted and robbed in a similar fashion on the same night.

It was not clear that any of the men involved were among those who arrived in Germany over the past year from conflicts in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. (even though the authorities described them above as "Arabic or North African in appearance")

Chancellor Angela Merkel, in a statement, called the assaults disgusting. “Everything must be done to investigate as completely and quickly as possible those who are guilty and to punish them regardless of how they look, where they come from or what their background is,” she said.

The assaults initially were not highlighted by the police and were largely ignored by the German news media in the days afterward. (doesn't fit the narrative of grateful asylum-seekers seeking shelter and safety)

The attacks and the livid reaction to them presented a new political challenge for the chancellor, whose decision to take in refugees from conflict-ridden nations opened the doors to waves of migrants last summer and fall. As the number of asylum-seekers has grown and the challenge of assimilating them has become clearer, Ms. Merkel has come under intensifying criticism for failing to anticipate the social and economic costs of her policy.

The descriptions of the assailants — by the police and victims quoted in the news media — as young foreign men who spoke neither German nor English (perhaps they're dark-skinned Frenchmen?) immediately stoked the debate over how to integrate such large numbers of migrants and focused new attention on how to deal with the influx of young, mostly Muslim men from more socially conservative cultures where women do not share the same freedoms and protections as men.

The assaults set off accusations on the right and among some political commentators that the authorities and the news media had tried to ignore or cover up the attacks to avoid fueling a backlash against the refugees.

Far-right and anti-immigrant groups and other Germans who oppose the influx seized on the attacks, saying they demonstrated the dangers associated with accepting huge numbers of migrants.

“It is time to send a signal,” said Christopher Freiherr von Mengersen, head of the nationalist Pro-NRW movement, based in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia. “We locals can no longer put up with everything that is being routinely swept under the rug based on a false sense of tolerance.”. (bigot...most assuredly)

Even beyond the usual circle of anti-immigration activists, similar concern could be heard over whether the government’s policy had come at too high a price to social stability. (also bigots)

“The government’s loss of control is not only taking place on the borders,” Alexander Marguier, deputy editor in chief of the monthly political magazine Cicero, wrote online. “For whoever gives up control of who enters the country no longer has control over the consequences of this action.”

Henriette Reker, Cologne’s mayor, who was stabbed during a campaign event in October by a German man who opposed her welcoming attitude toward migrants, sought Tuesday to play down the links to refugees, after meeting with police, state and city officials.

“There are no indications that this involved people who have sought shelter in Cologne as refugees,” Ms. Reker said. (of course not. They were French or Italian visitors with Arab or African features)

The assaults reported in Cologne were said to have taken place late Thursday in the city’s main train station and the public square in front of it. The station was a central transit point for anyone coming from or going to a fireworks display over the Rhine and the bars and nightclubs in the heart of the city, in the shadow of its landmark cathedral.

The police in Cologne say they believe several hundred men, ages 15 to 35 and visibly drunk, were involved in the violence, which began when they tossed firecrackers into the crowd that had thronged the square.

The police cleared the area shortly before midnight, blocking the main entrance to the station in an attempt to control the situation, said Wolfgang Albers, Cologne’s chief of police.

In the chaos that ensued after the square was cleared, the men appeared to have moved into the crowds, and that was when the assaults began. “Nobody knew where to go,” Sascha Frohn, who said he was in the station on Thursday, told the public broadcaster WDR. “We stood with our backs to the wall and could see how people were robbed and German girls were groped. I was surrounded by a group of 50 to 60 people from Arabic countries. (surely, he was mistaken) They would come up to us, shake hands and then try to reach into our bags.”

Only after the square was reopened, after midnight, did the police begin receiving reports that women had been attacked.

Cologne, with roughly one million people, is among Germany’s most ethnically diverse cities, and it took in more than 10,000 refugees last year. (who were probably all at home, giving thanks to Allah for their German saviors)

The city authorities said they would increase security after the assaults, including installing closed-circuit surveillance cameras, even as they urged anyone who videotaped the events on Thursday night to come forward.

But the situation quickly became as much about politics as about the law enforcement response. Since the start of the year, Ms. Merkel has come under renewed pressure from within her own conservative bloc, with Horst Seehofer, head of the Bavarian sister party to the chancellor’s Christian Democratic Union, calling for a cap of 200,000 refugees allowed into the country per year. (bigots within her own party)

Calls came from the Bavarian Christian Social Union on Tuesday to deport any asylum-seekers found to be among the perpetrators in Cologne, a sentiment echoed by the left-leaning Süddeutsche-Zeitung in a commentary that noted that German law provides for such action.
(bigots on the left???)

Yet the commentary, by Heribert Prantl, also warned about the risks of the debate’s taking on a poisonous tone that would only make integration of the many young refugees and immigrants legitimately in the country that much more difficult. (Ahhhh...trying to have it both ways)

“The young men who come to Germany must begin working as quickly as possible,” he wrote. “Work socializes. It is about our national peace, which is threatened by the excesses in Cologne and the excesses in the Internet.”

Several hundred people gathered in front of Cologne’s cathedral late Tuesday to protest violence against women. Several groups promoting women’s rights have complained that the authorities have not taken allegations of sexual abuse of women in refugee shelters seriously enough.

To prevent further violence in Cologne during the coming Carnival celebrations, when thousands of costumed revelers throng the streets for the beginning of Lent, which falls on Feb. 10 this year, Ms. Reker said that city officials would work to help women protect themselves and to explain the city’s attitudes and norms to newcomers.

“We will explain our Carnival much better to people who come from other cultures,” she said, “so there won’t be any confusion about what constitutes celebratory behavior in Cologne, which has nothing to do with a sexual frankness.” (Ahhhh...THAT'S what it was. The Italian? French? Foreign? visitors [with African or Arab features] we're confused. They thought a holiday celebratory atmosphere was to encourage sexual frankness...and the screams were most likely screams of joy from decadent women. Yes, yes...please DO explain things to "them")

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/world/europe/coordinated-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-were-unprecedented-germany-says.html?referer=

Statements in parentheses are mine)

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 10:30:52 AM   
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Now, all we need to ask ourselves is: "Isn't one too many?"



Funny how you're so willing to ask that question when it comes to penalizing an entire group of people for the crimes of a few, but when it comes to the murder of children and countless others due to excessive gun violence, you and your ilk seem to think that there is never enough deaths to justify stricter gun control.

If something is telling, it's that.

But I digress, back to the topic at hand...

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 10:57:50 AM   
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Now, all we need to ask ourselves is: "Isn't one too many?"



Funny how you're so willing to ask that question when it comes to penalizing an entire group of people for the crimes of a few, but when it comes to the murder of children and countless others due to excessive gun violence, you and your ilk seem to think that there is never enough deaths to justify stricter gun control.

If something is telling, it's that.

But I digress, back to the topic at hand...



Seriously, the subject is one I follow quite closely as I lived in Germany for a very long time, let me say if anything the German police is effective and they play their cards close to their chest while they investigate.

Let's just point out something to the knuckle draggers, there were several reports that the men attacking were DRUNK, reeking of booze, now I would think anybody with the minimum of common knowledge would know that for Muslims drinking is as acceptable as smooching a pig...

Then with any crime, the first question is always who gains from it, what do refugees actually have to gain from making themselves targets? Who benefits from the outrage?

I leave it at that, because I might have overcharged the brains of people eager to place blame and to tar and feather...

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 11:05:05 AM   
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never mind that all the "gun control" legislation lefties continually harp about doesn't really affect "excessive gun violence" but rather, makes things more difficult, costly or prohibitive for law abiding citizens. guess you missed that part.

and assuming its not a false parallel you are making, now try to equate the second amendment in the USA, which protects citizens rights to have arms, with a refugee's "right" to be in another country.





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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 11:36:15 AM   
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Let's just point out something to the knuckle draggers, there were several reports that the men attacking were DRUNK, reeking of booze, now I would think anybody with the minimum of common knowledge would know that for Muslims drinking is as acceptable as smooching a pig...


there are people who oppose the islamization of the world, and the mass unvetted and relatively free importation of "refugees". they are no less intelligent or well reasoned/thought out people than those who hold to your views. calling them "knuckle draggers" speaks more about you, than them.

as to your next point, here's your argument: why, officer, they couldn't have been muslim because they were drunk.

of course theres no chance whatsoever that some or even many muslims drink alcohol in spite of prohibitions to not.

and of course, about the women making the reports, who described the men's appearances---Germany must be full of Arabic and north African men who aren't muslim?

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Then with any crime, the first question is always who gains from it, what do refugees actually have to gain from making themselves targets? Who benefits from the outrage?


sorry, that's just a non-question. as if the refugees are a part of some ecological brain where individuals make choices with the best overall outcome for the group. hey ahmed, don't grope that girl because it will make islam look bad and the refugees too.

"who benefits from the outrage?"---you seem to think its some sort of right wing conspiracy? people making stuff up?

here's another way to look at it---did attacks/events like these happen last year during the same time? if not, then what's changed since then? I think most of us know the answer to that, or at least, where to start looking. otherwise, maybe a couple of knuckle draggers named hans and franz got together and said hey, lets make ourselves look like arabs, go grope some girls, and they'll all get blamed! (you know, because of the tar and feather political climate)

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I leave it at that, because I might have overcharged the brains of people eager to place blame and to tar and feather...


apparently there is little to no distinction between reporting news, even circumspectly, and being eager to blame.

hope that didn't "overcharge the brain" of people eager to defend muslims practically no matter what.


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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 11:53:23 AM   
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I read that it was 5 teenagers and 2 of them were only 14 and assaulted a woman old enough to be their grandmother. The place was between the Cathedral and the hauptbannoff. The buildings near the station are modern and 12 years years ago older Buildings still existed. Both are close to the Rhein.

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 11:56:03 AM   
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Now, all we need to ask ourselves is: "Isn't one too many?"



Funny how you're so willing to ask that question when it comes to penalizing an entire group of people for the crimes of a few, but when it comes to the murder of children and countless others due to excessive gun violence, you and your ilk seem to think that there is never enough deaths to justify stricter gun control.

If something is telling, it's that.

But I digress, back to the topic at hand...
You not only digress, you're wrong. Because you want to speak of CRIMES when speaking about the situation in Germany but wish to speak if ALL violence committed with guns when speaking of guns. Gun CRIMES are committed by a smaller percentage of the population as we're the crimes in Germany.

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 12:05:32 PM   
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Let's just point out something to the knuckle draggers, there were several reports that the men attacking were DRUNK, reeking of booze, now I would think anybody with the minimum of common knowledge would know that for Muslims drinking is as acceptable as smooching a pig...


there are people who oppose the islamization of the world, and the mass unvetted and relatively free importation of "refugees". they are no less intelligent or well reasoned/thought out people than those who hold to your views. calling them "knuckle draggers" speaks more about you, than them.

as to your next point, here's your argument: why, officer, they couldn't have been muslim because they were drunk.

of course theres no chance whatsoever that some or even many muslims drink alcohol in spite of prohibitions to not.

and of course, about the women making the reports, who described the men's appearances---Germany must be full of Arabic and north African men who aren't muslim?

quote:

Then with any crime, the first question is always who gains from it, what do refugees actually have to gain from making themselves targets? Who benefits from the outrage?


sorry, that's just a non-question. as if the refugees are a part of some ecological brain where individuals make choices with the best overall outcome for the group. hey ahmed, don't grope that girl because it will make islam look bad and the refugees too.

"who benefits from the outrage?"---you seem to think its some sort of right wing conspiracy? people making stuff up?

here's another way to look at it---did attacks/events like these happen last year during the same time? if not, then what's changed since then? I think most of us know the answer to that, or at least, where to start looking. otherwise, maybe a couple of knuckle draggers named hans and franz got together and said hey, lets make ourselves look like arabs, go grope some girls, and they'll all get blamed! (you know, because of the tar and feather political climate)

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I leave it at that, because I might have overcharged the brains of people eager to place blame and to tar and feather...


apparently there is little to no distinction between reporting news, even circumspectly, and being eager to blame.

hope that didn't "overcharge the brain" of people eager to defend muslims practically no matter what.




Apparently your brain still doesn't function, nobody is defending Muslims but people being drunk don't seem to be Muslims, obviously you never invested much time to educate yourself.

You know, if you want to find out the difference between your arse and your elbow, it's easy, you don't talk out of your elbow.

Most people are interested to stop any such attacks from happening again and to get the people who are behind it, including the criminals who committed the attacks, that concept seems to escape you completely, you seem to have that white sheet on and you possible are ready to light that cross.



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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 2:47:57 PM   
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never mind that all the "gun control" legislation lefties continually harp about doesn't really affect "excessive gun violence"



How would you know if it's never been done in your country before? Seriously, no other western nation puts up with the same kind of free access to killing machines the way the USA does, and yet every other country seems to lack the sheer staggering numbers of gun deaths that the USA has. You can say that the left in your country are trying to impose gun restrictions, but really, they're pathetic attempts compared to the lengths other nations have gone to to protect their people. You can say that it doesnt affect excessive gun violence, and you're right, but it's because no honest to god gun control legislation has been imposed that is strict enough to actually make a difference. You are so pro-gun you haven't even TRIED giving stricter gun regulations a chance, you just use weak ass examples of gun legislation that is typically weakened by the gun lobby and people like YOU who would prefer to keep your guns and see said legislation fail. If you allowed for the same kind of gun control as in other countries, and it doesn't work, then you have a leg to stand on. Otherwise you can shut the fuck up because you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. You are one country with excessive access to guns, and you claim gun control doesn't work, whereas there are 20+ developed countries that can easily demonstrate that the opposite is true.

You dont seem to realize just how insane you morons seem to the rest of the world do you? You rationalize a national gun fetish with fear, fear and more fear, and yet are blind to the reality that this fear is causing more damage than it causes. Grow up and join the rest of the developed world or be left behind as another failed empire like the Mayans and the Romans, who couldnt seem to recognize their own failings as a society.

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 2:51:19 PM   
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It does not fit the narrative, so. . . Crickets.

Please do tell us what you think the narrative is.

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 3:00:50 PM   
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It was interesting when I was at the border from Switzerland into Germany and France just this mid week. Both areas in Germany and France near the borders were ALL Muslim towns.

What were the names of these all muslim non white towns?

No white people, okay I exaggerate,

Some would call it lying.

but they were minorities, more Arabs. I felt like I was in the middle east seeing so many women wearing head veils. All the food was kebab and turkish stuffs! All I wanted was pork sausage and sauerkraut and I found ZERO! But my friend did tell me I wouldn't find it there ha! Wrong part of Germany! Damn I just wanted some damn authentic German pork sausage and sauerkraft! That's all I wanted!

of course

But in that same place, surprisingly, alot of chinese people too. Although their chinese food is a disgrace hehe!


First you say that they are all muslims now you say there were chinese also??? Why don't you get back to us when you have made up your mind as to which lie you want to run with.

Didn't realise how Islamiscised Europe is now until I am actually standing in there, and realise, it's practically the middle east!

First you tell us that it is one town now it is all of europe???

I guess according to leftist, this is utopia for them!

Which leftists said that was utopia?

So anyway, it's not my country, whatever rocks their boat.

Tell us again about the third world shithole called singapore where 30% of the people live in poverty while almost 20% are millionaires.

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 3:05:17 PM   
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While I refuse to have anything to do with Al Jazeera,


There is absolutely no reason for you to read anything that would disagree with your preconcieved notions of reality.

I am able to read some of the European papers.

Just like here, it seems to run along political lines; the papers that are ensconced in the Euro-Socialist vision of the world either refuse to report on it or relegate it to the deep interior of the paper/hard to find sections on the website.

As always, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle; there weren't hundreds of attacks , but a "few" (less than 100). Now, all we need to ask ourselves is: "Isn't one too many?"


How many rapes in the usa so far this year?

For me, this is very telling as to how far some people are willing to go to defend/turn a blind eye to muslim extremism.

For me, this is very telling as to how far you are willing to go to defend/turn a blind eye to your bigotry.




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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 3:14:21 PM   
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never mind that all the "gun control" legislation lefties

Pretty sure brady was raguns mouthpiece and a conservative republican...



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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 3:26:30 PM   
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Ethnic groups

Population: Germany

80,996,685 (July 2014 est.)

German 91.5%, Turkish 2.4%, other 6.1% (made up largely of Greek, Italian, Polish, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Spanish)

http://www.indexmundi.com/germany/demographics_profile.html

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RE: Germany- Cologne, Now Pools but Little Media? - 1/17/2016 3:28:15 PM   
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there are people who oppose the islamization of the world,

Why do you not believe in freedom of religion?



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