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UK discuss Trump. - 1/19/2016 3:06:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok it wasn't the whole of the UK it was the Government only the MPs(I doubt they could find an awake house of lords.) yesterday talking about the petition calling for banning the trump from the UK.
This is from Huffn poo, but pftttttt its got a lovely little clip showing various Mps calling him a buffoon and the best of all, Wazzock:)
Now I cannot see the govmnt giving up the promise of trump millions to outweigh the countries requests or petitions, they are suck arses just like all other mps/ around the world, but it did make me smile.

Now here is the link to the clip and the source.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/18/donald-trump-ban-uk-mps-parliament-debate_n_9010746.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics


British MPs have condemned Donald Trump variously as a “wazzock”, “buffoon” and “fool” as they were divided over whether the US Presidential candidate should be banned from entering the UK.

The billionaire property tycoon received withering criticism from MPs from across the political spectrum after a petition signed by more than half-a-million people calling for Mr Trump to be barred following anti-Muslim remarks - and over 100,000 who said he should be allowed in - forced a debate in the House of Commons.

The debate is seen by some observers as inconsequential since it’s non-binding on the Government, and Prime Minister David Cameron has signalled there would be no attempt to halt the TV star visiting the UK, where he owns golf courses in Scotland among his UK business interests.

And while the debate was held in Westminster Hall, a secondary chamber of the House of Commons usually reserved for fringe issues such as upgrading branch railway lines, MPs went for the jugular of “The Donald” - and each other.

Some MPs - drawn mainly from the Labour Party and Scottish National Party - likened Mr Trump to a “hate preacher”. Others thought a ban would only serve to “fuel to the media circus and would be a headline around the world”.

Conservative MP Victoria Atkins said his plan to close the US borders was “bonkers”, before reaching for a British colloquialism.

She told MPs: “If he met one or two of my constituents in one of the many excellent pubs in my constituency then they may well tell him he is a wazzock for dealing with this issue in this way.”

A “wazzock” is generally held to mean “idiot”, and has a recent history of being deployed by British politicians.

But she was among the majority of speakers to shy away from a ban. “Freedom of speech must mean that sometimes we are going to be offended,” the Lincolnshire MP said.

Muslim MP Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh Says Donald Trump's 'Hate Preaching' Means US Presidential Hopeful Should Be Banned From UK
Ahead of the debate, Team Trump labelled the MPs "ridiculous" and said he was considering pulling £700 million of investment from Scotland, and took a jab at falling oil prices damaging the economy.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/19/2016 3:00:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, too bad they didnt have the balls to ban him.. that might have gotten the ball rolling and him banned in other countries too.. not that it would have stopped him if he wanted to build, he would just trot out one of his kids/flunkies to go over and oversee the project.. and him saying he would pull out of projects was BS, if there is enough money in a project he would get one of his flunkies over there doing it..

If Americans elect him as Prez.. omg.. but then, they did elect that birdbrain twit Bush,.. twice no less..

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/19/2016 3:14:33 PM   
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A “wazzock” is generally held to mean “idiot”, and has a recent history of being deployed by British politicians.


I never expected to hear that term outside of Bristol, never mind on this forum. Weird!

I'm in two minds. If he doesn't come, great. If he does come, also great: his treatment here will be utterly without mercy. One Brit taking the piss out of you can be handled if you keep your cool; the entire nation of Brits doing it would be something else again.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 2:00:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		NBC News/Wall Street journal has Sanders 54, Trump 40something, I forget. Clinton 50, Trump 40. I wouldn't worry. (the Palin endorsement hurts him except maybe against the other repubs but I am not so sure they care either)

Sanders is getting stronger as time goes by. You know... the communist, for thinking economy should serve all of society and that the govt. should tax capital at least maybe...maybe, as much as labor. The guy who says soc. sec. should not still, leave so many in poverty. And then health care, wow. Imagine medicare for all, what an outright Marxist/Leninist !!

Never mind the windfall profits, that can be reported in Ireland and escape taxes and the huge relatively un-taxed stock options and bonuses. This guy is insane...right ?

Hey it's getting tough out there. The Walton family is down to their last $40 or $50 billion or so, (equal to the poorest 42% of Americans) so they must close a couple hundred supercenters...don't ya'know.



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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 2:02:36 PM   
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A “wazzock” is generally held to mean “idiot”, and has a recent history of being deployed by British politicians.


I never expected to hear that term outside of Bristol, never mind on this forum. Weird!

I'm in two minds. If he doesn't come, great. If he does come, also great: his treatment here will be utterly without mercy. One Brit taking the piss out of you can be handled if you keep your cool; the entire nation of Brits doing it would be something else again.

BTW, is that way zock or wah zock, I gotta know.


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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 2:05:47 PM   
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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 2:24:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just wondering what they will do and say when Trump becomes President...after all it is a sure thing now that Palin has come out on his side.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 2:40:21 PM   
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We're paying our politicians to discuss this in Parliament.

Considering this country's proud record it's pathetic really.

Tell you what it is, the joke's on us.


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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 3:00:31 PM   
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A “wazzock” is generally held to mean “idiot”, and has a recent history of being deployed by British politicians.


I never expected to hear that term outside of Bristol, never mind on this forum. Weird!

I'm in two minds. If he doesn't come, great. If he does come, also great: his treatment here will be utterly without mercy. One Brit taking the piss out of you can be handled if you keep your cool; the entire nation of Brits doing it would be something else again.

He doesn't know how to keep cool. I kinda wish he would go over there just so you all can make his head explode.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 3:09:48 PM   
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Just wondering what they will do and say when Trump becomes President...after all it is a sure thing now that Palin has come out on his side.

Butch

As far as wondering what happens if he becomes prez...my little human came home the other day and told me I needed to vote for Trump. I asked him why, and his response was "I've never seen a presidential assassination".

It took everything I had not to laugh. I didn't want him to think it was ok to say things like that. Much as I dislike Trump, I would never condone that. But it was so unexpected and the little one has great comedic delivery already, that I had to fight the laughing. .

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 3:38:07 PM   
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BTW, is that way zock or wah zock, I gotta know.


Rhymes with 'hassock', assuming Zs instead of Ss.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 4:01:28 PM   
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You've gotta laugh.

We're paying our politicians to discuss this in Parliament.

Considering this country's proud record it's pathetic really.

Tell you what it is, the joke's on us.



There are a few Muslims in parliament, plus some others, who are dead against his coming. Since he's promoting the idea of banning Muslims from visiting the USA, I can get their point. Still, the main thing, for me, is whatever effect this parliamentary debate will have on his standing in the USA. The bottom line is that if it erodes his chances of his winning the presidency - then, great. But it might actually rebound: his supporters, I could imagine, would be of the type who consider us 'arrogant, pansy-assed, communist, politically correct, still think Americans are colonials .....' You know the score. We've all seen such attitudes here amongst certain Americans - just as we've all seen that they're sorts who have heads the contents of which would never, ever move even if you were to chuck grenades at them.

On the whole my feeling is that we should be erring on the side of looking like we want to be politically neutral towards what's happening in the USA (despite my mounting horror that there's a chance of Trump being the next POTUS and what an unalloyed gut-churning disaster this would be not just for the USA but the entire world). Thus - formally, at least - we should try to look polite towards the fat, orange-faced, goosestepping, deranged, megalomaniac, repulsive old fornicator.

But what the government and officialdom does as matters of formal policy is one thing; what the people - and our journos, our comedians, and so forth - do is something entirely different. Most of all I think it's important that ordinary Joe Schmoes here show their disapproval of him, rather than just the elites (and most particularly the intelligentsia) - should he ever grace our humble isle with a visit, that is.


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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/20/2016 4:31:13 PM   
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BTW, is that way zock or wah zock, I gotta know.


Rhymes with 'hassock', assuming Zs instead of Ss.

So now I know. I am sure it aptly describes Trump.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/21/2016 2:57:59 AM   
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You've gotta laugh.

We're paying our politicians to discuss this in Parliament.

Considering this country's proud record it's pathetic really.

Tell you what it is, the joke's on us.



They had no choice than to discuss it in parliament and although it may seem like a waste of public money, it was parliament that set up this vote on debate system. I would hate to think we, the people of Britain couldn't vote on what we want debating.

As for Trump, he is a wazzock and a buffoon but he's Americas wazzock, not ours and we can hardly ban a man who could well become the next president of America!

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/21/2016 3:14:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Trump himself has been fairly aggressive over this debate. According to CNN Trump has warned that he would end all current and future investments in the United Kingdom if he's banned from entering the country. Surely Trump was aware that there never would be a parliamentary vote on banning him and so he couldn't be banned and didn't pig fucker Cameron inform him that although he didn't agree with him, he would always make him welcome on British shores?

Who was Trump warning? and why?

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/21/2016 3:44:32 AM   
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Still, the main thing, for me, is whatever effect this parliamentary debate will have on his standing in the USA.

None...although I'm sure the Democrats would try to whip it up into something negative. In the final analysis, most Americans don't care what you Brits think of us. Just as most of you probably don't care what we think of you.

However, I've always wanted to thank you guys for playing our national anthem during the changing of the guards on 9/13/01. That was a really nice gesture. I was ready to buy every Brit a pint.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/21/2016 6:11:38 AM   
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Still, the main thing, for me, is whatever effect this parliamentary debate will have on his standing in the USA.

None...although I'm sure the Democrats would try to whip it up into something negative. In the final analysis, most Americans don't care what you Brits think of us. Just as most of you probably don't care what we think of you.

However, I've always wanted to thank you guys for playing our national anthem during the changing of the guards on 9/13/01. That was a really nice gesture. I was ready to buy every Brit a pint.


I didn't know anything about the 9/13/01 incident but I'm happy to receive pints of beer through the post.

My thoughts on this subject are somewhat coloured by this:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/18/uselections2004.usa2

'Operation Clark County' was an attempt in 2004 by The Guardian - a left/liberal newspaper here - to influence the US election. The newspaper urged British readers to write to Americans voters to persuade them to kick out Bush.

It backfired very badly and The Guardian called an early halt to the project. The common reaction from those who received letters was 'Stay the feck out of our business'. Myself, I'd feel the same way were an (unknown) American to write to me pressing me in a similar way in one of our own elections. There was every chance that it helped *increase* Bush's support.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/21/2016 6:16:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		he can buy his way out of a ban...so of course it makes no odds. Its just another side of his ability to buy his way into power. And threaten his own sanctions:)

PS Peon, 9/13/01 is two days after 9/11


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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/21/2016 9:04:57 AM   
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PS Peon, 9/13/01 is two days after 9/11


Thanks Lucy. I got that together - I just didn't remember about the changing of the guards and the US anthem.

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RE: UK discuss Trump. - 1/21/2016 9:55:35 AM   
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