Trump now scaring the cons. (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion



Message


Lucylastic -> Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 7:49:45 AM)

Against Trump
January 21, 2016 10:00 PM
Donald Trump leads the polls nationally and in most states in the race for the Republican presidential nomination. There are understandable reasons for his eminence, and he has shown impressive gut-level skill as a campaigner. But he is not deserving of conservative support in the caucuses and primaries.
Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones. Trump’s political opinions have wobbled all over the lot. The real-estate mogul and reality-TV star has supported abortion, gun control, single-payer health care à la Canada, and punitive taxes on the wealthy. (He and Bernie Sanders have shared more than funky outer-borough accents.)
Since declaring his candidacy he has taken a more conservative line, yet there are great gaping holes in it. His signature issue is concern over immigration — from Latin America but also, after Paris and San Bernardino, from the Middle East. He has exploited the yawning gap between elite opinion in both parties and the public on the issue, and feasted on the discontent over a government that can’t be bothered to enforce its own laws no matter how many times it says it will (President Obama has dispensed even with the pretense).
But even on immigration, Trump often makes no sense and can’t be relied upon. A few short years ago, he was criticizing Mitt Romney for having the temerity to propose “self-deportation,” or the entirely reasonable policy of reducing the illegal population through attrition while enforcing the nation’s laws. Now, Trump is a hawk’s hawk. He pledges to build a wall along the southern border and to make Mexico pay for it. We need more fencing at the border, but the promise to make Mexico pay for it is silly bluster. Trump says he will put a big door in his beautiful wall, an implicit endorsement of the dismayingly conventional view that current levels of legal immigration are fine. T

rump seems unaware that a major contribution of his own written immigration plan is to question the economic impact of legal immigration and to call for reform of the H-1B–visa program. Indeed, in one Republican debate he clearly had no idea what’s in that plan and advocated increased legal immigration, which is completely at odds with it. These are not the meanderings of someone with well-informed, deeply held views on the topic.

As for illegal immigration, Trump pledges to deport the 11 million illegals here in the United States, a herculean administrative and logistical task beyond the capacity of the federal government. Trump piles on the absurdity by saying he would re-import many of the illegal immigrants once they had been deported, which makes his policy a poorly disguised amnesty (and a version of a similarly idiotic idea that appeared in one of Washington’s periodic “comprehensive” immigration reforms). This plan wouldn’t survive its first contact with reality.

On foreign policy, Trump is a nationalist at sea. Sometimes he wants to let Russia fight ISIS, and at others he wants to “bomb the sh**” out of it. He is fixated on stealing Iraq’s oil and casually suggested a few weeks ago a war crime — killing terrorists’ families — as a tactic in the war on terror. For someone who wants to project strength, he has an astonishing weakness for flattery, falling for Vladimir Putin after a few coquettish bats of the eyelashes from the Russian thug. All in all, Trump knows approximately as much about national security as he does about the nuclear triad — which is to say, almost nothing.

Indeed, Trump’s politics are those of an averagely well-informed businessman: Washington is full of problems; I am a problem-solver; let me at them. But if you have no familiarity with the relevant details and the levers of power, and no clear principles to guide you, you will, like most tenderfeet, get rolled.
Especially if you are, at least by all outward indications, the most poll-obsessed politician in all of American history. Trump has shown no interest in limiting government, in reforming entitlements, or in the Constitution. He floats the idea of massive new taxes on imported goods and threatens to retaliate against companies that do too much manufacturing overseas for his taste. His obsession is with “winning,” regardless of the means — a spirit that is anathema to the ordered liberty that conservatives hold dear and that depends for its preservation on limits on government power.

The Tea Party represented a revival of an understanding of American greatness in these terms, an understanding to which Trump is tone-deaf at best and implicitly hostile at worst. He appears to believe that the administrative state merely needs a new master, rather than a new dispensation that cuts it down to size and curtails its power.

It is unpopular to say in the year of the “outsider,” but it is not a recommendation that Trump has never held public office. Since 1984, when Jesse Jackson ran for president with no credential other than a great flow of words, both parties have been infested by candidates who have treated the presidency as an entry-level position. They are the excrescences of instant-hit media culture. The burdens and intricacies of leadership are special; experience in other fields is not transferable.

That is why all American presidents have been politicians, or generals. Any candidate can promise the moon. But politicians have records of success, failure, or plain backsliding by which their promises may be judged. Trump can try to make his blankness a virtue by calling it a kind of innocence. But he is like a man with no credit history applying for a mortgage — or, in this case, applying to manage a $3.8 trillion budget and the most fearsome military on earth.

Trump’s record as a businessman is hardly a recommendation for the highest office in the land. For all his success, Trump inherited a real-estate fortune from his father. Few of us will ever have the experience, as Trump did, of having Daddy-O bail out our struggling enterprise with an illegal loan in the form of casino chips. Trump’s primary work long ago became less about building anything than about branding himself and tending to his celebrity through a variety of entertainment ventures, from WWE to his reality-TV show, The Apprentice.
His business record reflects the often dubious norms of the milieu: using eminent domain to condemn the property of others; buying the good graces of politicians — including many Democrats — with donations. Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism. Trump has gotten far in the GOP race on a brash manner, buffed over decades in New York tabloid culture. His refusal to back down from any gaffe, no matter how grotesque, suggests a healthy impertinence in the face of postmodern PC (although the insults he hurls at anyone who crosses him also speak to a pettiness and lack of basic civility). His promise to make America great again recalls the populism of Andrew Jackson. But Jackson was an actual warrior; and President Jackson made many mistakes. Without Jackson’s scars, what is Trump’s rhetoric but show and strut? If Trump were to become the president, the Republican nominee, or even a failed candidate with strong conservative support, what would that say about conservatives?

The movement that ground down the Soviet Union and took the shine, at least temporarily, off socialism would have fallen in behind a huckster. The movement concerned with such “permanent things” as constitutional government, marriage, and the right to life would have become a claque for a Twitter feed. Trump nevertheless offers a valuable warning for the Republican party. If responsible men irresponsibly ignore an issue as important as immigration, it will be taken up by the reckless. If they cannot explain their Beltway maneuvers — worse, if their maneuvering is indefensible — they will be rejected by their own voters. If they cannot advance a compelling working-class agenda, the legitimate anxieties and discontents of blue-collar voters will be exploited by demagogues. We sympathize with many of the complaints of Trump supporters about the GOP, but that doesn’t make the mogul any less flawed a vessel for them. Some conservatives have made it their business to make excuses for Trump and duly get pats on the head from him. Count us out. Donald Trump is a menace to American conservatism who would take the work of generations and trample it underfoot in behalf of a populism as heedless and crude as the Donald himself.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430137/donald-trump-conservative-movement-menace




Kirata -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 8:23:08 AM)


GOP Establishment warms to Trump ~Washington Post

The Republican establishment — once seen as the force that would destroy Donald Trump’s outsider candidacy — is now learning to live with it, with some elected and unelected leaders saying they see an upside to Trump as the nominee. In the past few days, Trump has received unlikely public praise from GOP luminaries who said they would prefer him to his main rival, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas. In private, some veteran conservative Republicans have been reaching out to Trump...

Trump More Than Doubles National Lead in NBC/WSJ Poll ~NBC News

Donald Trump has more than doubled his national lead in the Republican presidential race ahead of Thursday night's GOP debate here, according to the results from a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. Trump is the first choice of 33 percent of national Republican primary voters - his highest percentage in the poll.

Yep, they're runnin' skeered.

K.




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 8:32:15 AM)

National Review was asked by the RNC to partner in the GOP debates. We agreed. Our initial partner was NBC, with whom we were to help moderate the pre–Super Tuesday debate, originally to be held on February 26 in Houston, then suspended by the RNC in retribution over the antics of CNBC moderators in its now infamous debate last month. A new main host was picked this week — CNN. National Review was to partner, along with Salem Radio and Telemundo, the debate rescheduled for February 25. Tonight, a top official with the RNC called me to say that National Review was being disinvited. The reason: Our “Against Trump“ editorial and symposium. We expected this was coming. Small price to pay for speaking the truth about The Donald.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/430166/houston-we-have-problem




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 8:33:54 AM)

When the National review points stuff out like this, you can bet, they aint happy.
Wapo and NBC are liberal aint they??? grins




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 10:51:38 AM)

oh I meant to post this one too


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430126/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination




Phydeaux -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 11:01:55 AM)

What a surprise - trump being a moderate is not supported by the conservative base.. Gee, whoda thunk.
How is this any different than clinton is not supported by weird, kooky extreme left.

Yawn.




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 11:11:54 AM)

shows just how much you really dont understand.




Trucker6254 -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 12:56:17 PM)

Seems funny as hell that a left wing liberal knows what the tea party thinks of any Republican candidate. Whether it's Ted Cruz, Donald Trump or Donald Duck, he will be infinitely better than that lump of shit that's in the Oval Office now.




stef -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 1:10:53 PM)

You should stop huffing diesel, trucker. It's clearly not doing you any favors.




bounty44 -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 1:48:38 PM)

White House 2016: Republican Nomination

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16rep.htm

Monmouth University Poll. Jan. 15-18, 2016. N=385 registered voters nationwide who are Republicans or lean Republican. Margin of error ± 5

taking into consideration the entire pool, the top three are trump 36%, cruz 17% and Rubio 11%

according to a NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by Hart Research Associates (D) and Public Opinion Strategies (R). Jan. 9-13, 2016. N=400 Republican primary voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 4.9.

when the field was trimmed a little, its trump 33%, cruz 20% and Rubio 13%

when the field is trimmed even more, its trump 36%, cruz 25% and Rubio 19%

when this question was asked:

"Now, if you had to choose between ONLY Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in the Republican primary for president, which one would you favor?" If unsure: "Well, which way do you lean?"

the results were cruz 51% and trump 43%




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 2:22:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Trucker6254

Seems funny as hell that a left wing liberal knows what the tea party thinks of any Republican candidate. Whether it's Ted Cruz, Donald Trump or Donald Duck, he will be infinitely better than that lump of shit that's in the Oval Office now.

I get my sources from right wing sites.
I also have an extremely inquisitive brain.

Im sorry that when they were giving out brains, you thought they said trains and asked for a small slow one.
Im not surprised you find it funny that a socialist can think.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 2:41:09 PM)

My favorite quotes for the day:

"Dishonest, which is Hillary Clinton in the eyes of the American people, beats crazy," Graham said.

"So let’s just pick somebody out of the phone book if we have to," added Graham, who recently backed Jeb Bush.

"If you nominate Trump and Cruz I think you’d get the same outcome. Whether it’s death by being shot or poisoning, does it really matter? I don’t think the outcome will be substantially different."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-ted-cruz-shot-or-poisoned_us_56a11e33e4b0d8cc109905aa?







Lucylastic -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 4:25:04 PM)

they just keep on coming..lol




Cinnamongirl67 -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 4:36:01 PM)

I am a bit concerned over Trumps overall diplomacy. A little rough around the edges. One thing I do like he says it the way it is or the way he sees it. I find it a bit refreshing over mealy mouths.




Termyn8or -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 8:32:13 PM)

FR

Know what Lucy ? Trump is only doing so well because the neocons do not want to preside. They do everything to undermine the credit and faith of the USD and seem to be committed to its fall, and I would bet they all (democrats included) have significant portions of their fortunes in foreign money.

By the time they are ready, the economy will have gotten down almost to third world status and though their oil ventures made it happen, they will put the blame on democrats and "fix" it. But they won't fix it.

Thing about Presidents is there ain't much real bribing going on in real time. They get their favors after leaving office. Congress on the other hand...

T^T




Lucylastic -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/22/2016 9:50:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

FR

Know what Lucy ? Trump is only doing so well because the neocons do not want to preside. They do everything to undermine the credit and faith of the USD and seem to be committed to its fall, and I would bet they all (democrats included) have significant portions of their fortunes in foreign money.

By the time they are ready, the economy will have gotten down almost to third world status and though their oil ventures made it happen, they will put the blame on democrats and "fix" it. But they won't fix it.

Thing about Presidents is there ain't much real bribing going on in real time. They get their favors after leaving office. Congress on the other hand...

T^T
termy back in 07 i said they didnt wanna win. I said the same when romney got picked. I agree its exactly the same now.

They sure as hell just wanna pass the buck.
Problem is the country wont survive another bout of crazies from the right.




MercTech -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/26/2016 12:00:31 PM)

quote:

termy back in 07 i said they didnt wanna win. I said the same when romney got picked. I agree its exactly the same now.

They sure as hell just wanna pass the buck.
Problem is the country wont survive another bout of crazies from the right.



Or the clueless and oblivious of the left.

Our two party system has become a battle between the new money right and the old money left if you pay attention to the backers of the parties. The common denominator is the big money. The beltway version of the Golden Rule; them that has the gold makes the rules.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/26/2016 3:27:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Trucker6254

Seems funny as hell that a left wing liberal knows what the tea party thinks of any Republican candidate. Whether it's Ted Cruz, Donald Trump or Donald Duck, he will be infinitely better than that lump of shit that's in the Oval Office now.

Liberals aren't ignorant.

Just because you and your cronies are ignorant of your enemies does not mean that others are ignorant of theirs.[:D]




Hillwilliam -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/26/2016 3:30:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

White House 2016: Republican Nomination

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh16rep.htm

Monmouth University Poll. Jan. 15-18, 2016. N=385 registered voters nationwide who are Republicans or lean Republican. Margin of error ± 5

taking into consideration the entire pool, the top three are trump 36%, cruz 17% and Rubio 11%

according to a NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by Hart Research Associates (D) and Public Opinion Strategies (R). Jan. 9-13, 2016. N=400 Republican primary voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 4.9.

when the field was trimmed a little, its trump 33%, cruz 20% and Rubio 13%

when the field is trimmed even more, its trump 36%, cruz 25% and Rubio 19%

when this question was asked:

"Now, if you had to choose between ONLY Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in the Republican primary for president, which one would you favor?" If unsure: "Well, which way do you lean?"

the results were cruz 51% and trump 43%

Trump, Cruz or Rubio

The Megalomaniac who wants to wipe his ass with the constitution, the Canadian who is a Christian before he is an American or the "Anchor baby" whose brother-in-law is a convicted cocaine kingpin.

Nice choices.




Politesub53 -> RE: Trump now scaring the cons. (1/26/2016 4:51:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

I am a bit concerned over Trumps overall diplomacy. A little rough around the edges. One thing I do like he says it the way it is or the way he sees it. I find it a bit refreshing over mealy mouths.


I am sure the worlds leaders are queueing up to take him seriously. The man is just a clown grandstanding to his fan base. I have yet to hear him expand any views on one serious policy.




Page: [1] 2   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875