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MudFraggle -> Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 1:08:39 AM)

Hello! i'm mud. i recently jumped off the sinking ship and wound up here. it's my first day! i look forward to peasant interactions :)




PonyGroom -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 1:15:53 AM)

"peasant" interactions?

You may have come to the right place.




Nanako -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 4:52:45 AM)

fetlife is a sinking ship? why do you say that




LadyPact -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 5:06:48 AM)

Yeah, I laughed at the "sinking ship" comment, too. Over 4.3 million strong.

The OP is just another sock.




pilgrimsprogress -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 5:41:03 AM)

Why is the OP just another sock? What proof can you put forward please? True Fetlife and Collarspace are business rivals but many folks belong to both and also other lifestyle websites! I think the other website is better regulated an moderated but that is just my own opinion. I have noticed many strange if not bizarre matters occur in this website that one does not encounter in any other comparable lifestyle website. It appears to attract certain personality types to its message boards and profile sections.




joinusitsfun -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 7:54:22 AM)

The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its ev'ry fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

Look 'round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

It suits today the weak and base,
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe before the rich man's frown,
And haul the sacred emblem down.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

With heads uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall;
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,
This song shall be our parting hymn.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.





stef -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 11:59:50 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MudFraggle

Hello! i'm mud. i recently jumped off the sinking ship and wound up here.

I think you might be a little confused. You jumped ONTO the sinking ship.




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 1:28:14 PM)

Like jumping from a sinking boat onto the Titanic.




Scallyragga -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 3:05:27 PM)

joinusitsfun - Thank you! I knew that song existed because of an episode of Q.I but had never seen it written down or knew what it was called. Love to learn stuff




Scallyragga -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 3:07:01 PM)

LadyPact - I'm sorry but I'm new here so don't understand what OP or "sock" means (well at least in that context)... I guess it could mean puppet - as in 'sock puppet' as it kind of fits but would appreciate a clarification if you would be so kind!?




MudFraggle -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 7:59:41 PM)

golly, jumped on so quickly. I appreciate the replies. Not a sock here. The photos and description contained in my profile are my actual photos and selected info. And, based on the responses, I suppose i should abandon the vague humor approach and specify that i guess, for me, after x many years on FL it was just not the experience i wanted out of a BDSM social network. After a couple of friendly recommendations, I decided to give this site a try instead.




PonyGroom -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/24/2016 8:58:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Yeah, I laughed at the "sinking ship" comment, too. Over 4.3 million strong.

The OP is just another sock.


Fetlife account numbers have passed 5.6 million.

On most social media sites, 90 percent of the accounts have not used the site in the last 30 days.

I last audited Fetlife about a year ago. I looked at 1000 accounts that were created more than 30 days ago to see if they had any visible activity. About 100 of those accounts showed activity, very close to the usual percentage.

I think there might be approximately 550,000 accounts that have been used in the last 30 days.

Here's the weird thing. Of those who log in at all... I have the perception that they are only "checking up" on the site, not really using it.

I've been talking off site with other group mods, trying to understand what is going on. There is a lot of speculation but no proof for any of our ideas. Except - several of us have noticed that engagement with people in our local areas is declining. People local to us use the local Groups and Events systems to find munches, coffees, and other meets, but don't spend time in discussions. Some of the most active people in face to face discussions are ignoring Fetlife except for the barest utility.

If this is true, and not limited to just the dozen or so local communities we are in, pageviews might be declining.






mousekabob -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/25/2016 9:36:42 AM)

I'm one of those people on fetlife. I peek in about once a year for about 5 minutes just to see if anything has changed. It hasn't. I just peeked in last night for 5 minutes. Still the same old site that I didn't like before. I'll be back next year to check again for 5 minutes.




royalarchmason -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/25/2016 9:51:38 AM)

Why not save time and cut it down to one minute?




Cell -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/25/2016 9:52:48 AM)

Same here.




LadyPact -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/25/2016 10:26:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PonyGroom
Fetlife account numbers have passed 5.6 million.

On most social media sites, 90 percent of the accounts have not used the site in the last 30 days.

I last audited Fetlife about a year ago. I looked at 1000 accounts that were created more than 30 days ago to see if they had any visible activity. About 100 of those accounts showed activity, very close to the usual percentage.

I think there might be approximately 550,000 accounts that have been used in the last 30 days.

Here's the weird thing. Of those who log in at all... I have the perception that they are only "checking up" on the site, not really using it.

I've been talking off site with other group mods, trying to understand what is going on. There is a lot of speculation but no proof for any of our ideas. Except - several of us have noticed that engagement with people in our local areas is declining. People local to us use the local Groups and Events systems to find munches, coffees, and other meets, but don't spend time in discussions. Some of the most active people in face to face discussions are ignoring Fetlife except for the barest utility.

If this is true, and not limited to just the dozen or so local communities we are in, pageviews might be declining.

This would have made a kick ass thread all on it's own. If you chose to start it in one of the other areas, I'd be happy to participate.





Kana -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/25/2016 10:30:28 AM)

quote:

Here's the weird thing. Of those who log in at all... I have the perception that they are only "checking up" on the site, not really using it.

I've been talking off site with other group mods, trying to understand what is going on. There is a lot of speculation but no proof for any of our ideas. Except - several of us have noticed that engagement with people in our local areas is declining. People local to us use the local Groups and Events systems to find munches, coffees, and other meets, but don't spend time in discussions. Some of the most active people in face to face discussions are ignoring Fetlife except for the barest utility.

If this is true, and not limited to just the dozen or so local communities we are in, pageviews might be declining.


This is pretty much exactly what I use Fet for.
I've been a member for ages. Have a couple CM refugees I talk to on there but other than finding parties, play spaces etc... I never use it.
In fact, I bet I've made less than 20 discussion posts in all the time I've been on there and I'm being very generous with that guess.
Can't stand the set up. Can't stand so many dead groups.
Most of all though, I can't stand the way it is scattered and that they don't have a single dashboard for groups/active discussions.
If they had that one simple thing, I would likely spend lots more time there.
As is it drives my ADD ADD




SlavePusskins -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/25/2016 11:37:25 PM)

What gives Diva?




NookieNotes -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/26/2016 1:05:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana
Can't stand the set up. Can't stand so many dead groups.
Most of all though, I can't stand the way it is scattered and that they don't have a single dashboard for groups/active discussions.
If they had that one simple thing, I would likely spend lots more time there.


The user interface there is abominable. It has been since day one. They keep advertising for and hiring people whoa re supposed to be knowledgeable, then doing nothing (or adding Easter eggs), rather than making the site better. That said, they are monetized, and doing an excellent job there, so that's what matters.

After all, a commercial website's PRIMARY function is to make enough money for the owner to sustain, then secondary whatever someone says it is for (ie, connecting people in kink).

It is achieving it's primary function. And apparently, that's what only matters to John Baku. It should matter, but not ONLY.




Kana -> RE: Recent fetlife defectee (1/26/2016 3:44:09 AM)

quote:

After all, a commercial website's PRIMARY function is to make enough money for the owner to sustain, then secondary whatever someone says it is for (ie, connecting people in kink).

See, I think this is backwards. Further, I think its one of, if not the, biggest mistakes businesses make.

Design a good company, fill it with good people dedicated to what they do and I think the money will come.

But the other way, shakes head. That shit doesn't work so well.

Today in the global economy of outsourcing and worldwide competition, there's always another company/website/whatever out there that can provide a similar or the same service. The thing that differentiates is service and customer experience.
Fail those and sooner or later a competitor is going to see an opportunity, build a better mousetrap and strike.
I've watched this happen to tons of sites over the years. Mouse more so.

Both of us remember the usenet days. Then, if I remember the order correctly, there was bondage.com, then alt, then c-me and now FL is all the rage.
Sites come and go.
Usenet got crushed by tech changes.
Bondage and alt decided to start charging and that was all she wrote. Also alt got swarmed by findommes and spammers
C-me had ownership issues and self destructed
Fet is on top now, but they use a crap platform (According to people who know, I'm not claiming to be a net geek here cuz I ain't), have that black backdrop which many users can't stand, don't organize their groups well and have no central clearing station/dashboard showing all groups and recent activity.

Sooner or later, and I think its already happening*, people are going to stray, someone will invent a better experience/format and that will be all she wrote for FL.
If they were smart, they would do what all companies do when they get to the top, adapt, shift, constantly respond to attempt to create the best user advantage, use their clout and weight and cash to invest in resources which will drive to a better user experience that they can further their competitive advantage.

But they haven't. Instead they seem to be resting on their laurels, enjoying top dog status...which is usually a fatal error

Generally speaking, I think that with few exceptions in business, there's always competition and there is usually someone who can do it cheaper or at a higher profit. In the modern world, the thing that differentiates is service. Take care of the people that take care of you. Rule number one in business and life.
Which is sad because usually that's how great companies start. A desire to make money, true, but also a desire to meet a need, to provide a service to make life easier, better, more functional. They hire like-minded people, people on board with the vision and ideal. Because of that, and good business processes/models/etc...they succeed

But at some point of the success cycle, growth plateaus, a market is maxed out. At this point a company has multiple choices, but usually they go one of a few routes. Continue to grow, innovate, enter new markets, introduce new products, invest money to create an even better experience.
Or they can stand still, content to have reached the top, and enjoy the view. This lasts just as long as it takes the next guy to reach the peak and push them off.
But what most companies do, and which is the worst possible move, is start cutting costs to keep profit margins high. Stop expanding, stop investing in new tech (like getting off of Ruby on Rails platform), stop paying those employees regular raises, watch them go elsewhere. All of which is penny wise and pound foolish.
In other words, become a business entity primarily based around making money (Hey-he returned to the initial point. A long roundabout journey comes home)..which is silly because in making those changes, they lose that edge, that service, that cutting edge experience that differentiated them from their competitors and led to them being the Alpha.

Just saying :-)

* I think right now tumblr and KiK are moving towards being the cutting edge...which tumblr corporate doesn't seemed thrilled with...lots of hard stuff, some great sites, widely dispatched, people communicating all over hell and hooking up. It's simultaneously much more personal and far more widely scattered. But there is a huge scene happening there lots of people, especially the older groups, know nothing about.





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