Aylee
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PS: if you want to suggest that prison inmates could be free to volunteer as medicine test subjects to reduce their prison sentences -I'm ok with that.
There are many reasons that prison inmates do not make good test subjects.
Interesting, unsupported opinion. Got any cites?
I could probably find some, but it comes down to ethics, cost, health history, and drug abuse.
Ethically it is coercive. Yeah, yeah, they are volunteers. Umm. . . not really. Not in the situation they are in.
Prisoners are also classed as a vulnerable population. The government is supposed to be protecting them from harm, since they are in a situation where they cannot protect themselves. (This is also why I get so cranky when I see comments about people hoping some man is going to get raped in prison.)
Many prisoners are also of diminished capacity.
It is cost prohibitive. There are additional forms and approvals to get to do research on prisoners.
Transportation costs - this gets expensive as prisoners are more expensive to transport than the rest of the population.
Health history - many prisoners are on medications and one type of these are anti-psychotics. Medications can interfere with whatever is being studied. And frankly I am not completely convinced that there are not drug studies being done on these different types of meds anyway.
Prisoners also tend to come from a poor background and are likely to not be as healthy as the regular population.
Drug use - The prisons are filled with people there are drug related charges. Drugs alter brain chemistry, damage organs, screw up your reasoning, yadda yadda. This can effect the research being done.
There are some reasons for you.
Let's face it, prisoners are people, and while they must be protected from harm they should also have the right to participate in medical research. I know that women have had to fight for that right and currently non-whites are having to fight a similar fight. The prison population does have a lot of non-whites. So, using it could be very beneficial to the total population.
While the 60Kg white man MAY be the standard, drugs and such act differently for those that are not part of that population.
Yeah, none of that supports your contention that they are not good test subjects. Sure some prisoners are in on drug charges. Most are not.
Even if they were, drug history is better known than the population at large.
Prisons have medical facilities - most of the time the programs go to the prisons, so transporting prisoners isn't an issue.
Your point that women and minorities should be able to participate in research counters your other points, not supports it.
Ethically coercive - meh scrutinize it.
Prisons do not have the medical facilities you think that they do. There are prison complexes that are a medical facility, but most county and state prisoners get transported for medical needs. Just speaking from the radiology stand point, it is much cheaper to contract and transport than it is to purchase and maintain medical imaging equipment. Even just an R/F system.
There is also the issue of what types of medical devices are allowed in the prison. Many of them can be used as weapons. This is an issue.
The drug history itself makes them poor medical research subjects, is my point, because of the changes they make in the body. It means that you cannot extrapolate to the population at large.
It's coercive - I think we have different ethical "feels" on that part. So, we are not going to agree.
My point about the women and minorities countering things - I flat out typed that prisoners should have the right to participate in medical research.
Over all - my issue is that the incarcerated population is not the treasure trove for medical research that many seem to imagine it is. And I gave some reasons for that.
If we don't agree, we don't agree. I am fine with that.
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