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crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/1/2016 11:31:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
We are NOT doing this nonsense again where you go on about women "shoving their panties in your face" when it comes to GD cheerleading uniforms, which aren't even picked by the women who wear them.


This is a seemingly good point that the cheerleaders didn't CHOOSE the uniform ... however, that question ignores their actual ACTIONS ...

For example, this actual ACTION is totally aside of the actual choice of uniform, isn't it?
[image]https://i.imgur.com/Di83mx6.jpg[/image]

I mean, they are supposed to be leading cheers, right?

No matter what uniform they wear, what does THIS ACTION by women have to do with leading cheers?
[image]https://i.imgur.com/5qLNCqQ.jpg[/image]

Do you see? It's not only the uniform. It's also the action IN the uniform. And, then it's their words.

Put it all together ... (which is reality - I am not making this stuff up - those are real USC cheerleaders) ... and their actions don't jive with their words.
[image]https://i.imgur.com/b2PFl3a.jpg[/image]



Greta75 -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/1/2016 11:41:57 PM)

Crumpets, cheerleaders are employed by men, to do things that men like. They are like sideline eye candy in a man dominated sport.
So if any woman who take up this job. They got to follow the routine that men wants and that usually is sexually suggestive. It's the nature of the job. It's either do it, or quit. Some people need jobs, and also, perhaps this happen to be something they are good at, so they do it.

You are talking AS IF the cheerleading routine is the female's choice. To take on the job is the female choice of course, but from what I hear about the job market in the US, it doesn't sound as if jobs are plentiful. I don't know how much cheerleading pays. But for some, it can be good income, and if the sacrifice is sexualising themselves, for some, it may be worth the money.

I am assuming you are referring to women who do not want to be sexualised but doing sexualised jobs. Many women who do not want to be sexualised end up in sexualised job for the income they need for survival.

If you have spoken to women who told you she loves being sexualised, then, I think her thought process and her actions would be consistent, there would be no issue.







crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/1/2016 11:43:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Every time you do these threads, you pick out women who are half your age, wearing school sponsored uniforms, ridiculous outfits geared for very young women, sportswear, and all other kinds of stuff that is not the way most women dress.


You bring up an excellent counterpoint, which I, myself, have alluded to in earlier posts on this thread, which is that the women who seem to be most disassociated with the standard maxim that women don't want to be sexually 'objectivized are mostly the younger women of prime childbearing age, most of whom probably don't frequent this forum.

The older, more mature women seem to be able to manage their actions such that they are far more in sync with the spoken words.

However, you must realize (as I said above), that the UNIFORM is not the issue - it's their ACTIONS IN that uniform which belie their spoken word.
[image]https://i.imgur.com/7IDc62Y.jpg[/image]



crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/1/2016 11:49:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
Crumpets, cheerleaders are employed by men, to do things that men like. They are like sideline eye candy in a man dominated sport.

You bring up a good point in that the people ENJOYING the show are the men in the crowd (although one would assume there are also plenty of women and children at a football stadium).
quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
So if any woman who take up this job. They got to follow the routine that men wants and that usually is sexually suggestive. It's the nature of the job. It's either do it, or quit. Some people need jobs, and also, perhaps this happen to be something they are good at, so they do it.

I must agree, and disagree, where my disagreement negates your point (but my agreement ameliorates that negation).
  • AGREE
    In the case of the Hooters' or Twin Peaks' waitresses, or those Las Vegas hookers pictured earlier, those women are doing it for the MONEY!
  • DISAGREE
    In the case of high school cheerleaders (not pictured) or USC college cheerleaders (pictured below), they're NOT doing it for the money (they're all volunteers!).
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/Ps6kaue.jpg[/image]

    These volunteer cheerleaders are (presumably) doing it because they like it.



    • crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 12:21:17 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    I am assuming you are referring to women who do not want to be sexualised but doing sexualised jobs.


    You keep bringing up really good points, and I appreciate the thoughtful dialog.
    However, it's not fair for either you or for me to concentrate solely on just one aspect of what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING day in and day out.

    For example, some have "blamed" the uniform, but, the actions show that blaming the uniform is highly disingenuous.
    Others blame the job requirements, yet, again, plenty of the actions depicted to date were from amateurs and volunteers (who presumably are not coerced).

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    Many women who do not want to be sexualised end up in sexualised job for the income they need for survival.


    This is a good point, which I illustrated, I think, with the Las Vegas hookers' photo earlier.
    However, it's my opinion that those hookers lined up for the customers' purview are actually the most honest of all women, when it comes to what they do and why they do it.

    Interestingly, the shockingly naive probably faux innocence of the Hooker's waitresses in those interviews was impressive, these hookers below are probably not as verbally clueless about what it is that they are wearing and doing and why they're wearing and doing it.
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/U2epDr1.jpg[/image]

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    If you have spoken to women who told you she loves being sexualised, then, I think her thought process and her actions would be consistent, there would be no issue.


    I fully agree with you that I have no qualms with the HONEST women (e.g., the hookers, Miley Cyrus, Madonna, etc.), and, as appropriately described by LP, the "mature" more sage women who frequent this forum.
    [image]https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/miley-cyrus-wrecking-ball-54-bonnie-says-ftr.jpg[/image]

    My question regards the vast majority of younger prime-child-bearing-age women, who dress and act one way, but who presumably don't wish to be sexually 'objectivized in the other way.
    What are THEY thinking?
    How do they rationalie their ACTIONS with their WORDS?



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 12:38:29 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LadyPact
    Seriously, when one of your female friends gives you the Gibb's slap upside the head, I'm not going to be surprised.


    Yeah. You're absolutely right.
    My inbox is already flooded with well-meant yet rather blunt reprisals!
    Luckily I don't plan on meeting up with anyone of them anytime soon - or they'd have my balls in a vise in a second flat - just to teach me a lesson I won't forget!
    :)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LadyPact
    I don't for a second believe that the majority of women your age are dressed in such a way in their day to day lives that their underwear is continually assaulting you. Don't post me pictures of women on the beach, at kink events, or in Halloween costumes trying to find the exceptions to the rule.


    I think you are bringing up perhaps the most important point to BOUND the issue.

    The photos I've employed, and the examples I've used, are almost exclusively (save perhaps for the hookers and actresses), of young women of, shall we say, prime child-bearing age.

    You may intimate that the child-bearing adjectival part isn't relevant, and that only the young part is relevant, but, I think there is an innate desire inherent in these YOUNGER women that directly correlates, whether they realize it or not, to their biological process of obtaining suitable mates for which to rear children with (all, of course, in the subconscious).

    To put it more bluntly, most of the women here are, I believe, appalled at my examples, not because the examples are untrue (they're very true), but because these prime examples of younger women's actions don't relate to how the typical OLDER more mature, wiser, and more sage women ACT, like this typical mature woman below ...
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/IwRSVfB.jpg[/image]

    Ooops. How'd that happen? Wrong image above.

    This is how older, wiser, more mature women dress and act (which IS in keeping with their words).
    [image]https://focusonstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Appropriate-Dress-Length-For-An-Older-Woman_call_my_stylist_image.jpg[/image]

    PS: Spoiler alert, expressly for the likes of CodeOfSilence... there are some jokes interspersed in there ...



    Greta75 -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 12:48:53 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets
    These volunteer cheerleaders are (presumably) doing it because they like it.

    Cheerleading is a form of dancing.
    And many women enjoy dancing.
    Infact, the stunts involved are probably impressive too. If they do acrobatics.
    But can they choose their dress code?
    I mean, the problem isn't their actions. If they were covered up from head to toe in for example, ninja wear. They can do exactly all those same actions and you wouldn't think it's sexualised.

    It's not the actions. It's not the dance. It's just what they wear. Which is the uniform, that is not their choice.



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 12:49:53 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: KorpsMariniers
    The age old question.I do not think that women themselves really know the answer to that question! Both genders think differently for genetic reasons and because both have a different role in life but usually come together so that both genders can co-operate successfully in a mutually beneficial relationship.


    I agree that NOBODY knows the answer to the question, unless, and until they PONDER it for a long while, passing thoughts and ideas back and forth.

    For example, the actions by the YOUNGER women are totally different (in general) from the actions by the OLDER (more mature) women, who are approaching, shall we say, the latter portion of their prime child-bearing years.
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/zmYZgSV.jpg[/image]



    CodeOfSilence -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 1:00:05 AM)

    ok dude you're just spamming now and not interested in hearing anyones views m8



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 1:04:13 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets
    These volunteer cheerleaders are (presumably) doing it because they like it.

    Cheerleading is a form of dancing.
    And many women enjoy dancing.
    Infact, the stunts involved are probably impressive too. If they do acrobatics.
    But can they choose their dress code?
    I mean, the problem isn't their actions. If they were covered up from head to toe in for example, ninja wear. They can do exactly all those same actions and you wouldn't think it's sexualised.

    It's not the actions. It's not the dance. It's just what they wear. Which is the uniform, that is not their choice.



    I understand your point that cheerleading is a form of dance...and that the uniform just happens to be a bit skimpy ... such that panties will show despite their absolute best efforts to hide them from view...
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/Ji38Hwv.png[/image]

    But why is it that the men on the very same USC cheerleading squad can somehow (magically?) manage to dance without showing their panties every five seconds?
    [image]http://cdn1.trojanwire.com/heritage/images/usc_yell_leaders.jpg[/image]



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 1:12:43 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: CodeOfSilence
    ok dude you're just spamming now and not interested in hearing anyones views m8

    I'm responding to every view that is valid.
    (well, there are a few jokes interspersed in there ... just to liven it up a bit)

    And, you'll note that my imagery is on topic with the response.

    Perhaps you fail to understand that the entire topic deals, in the main, with IMAGERY.
    It's a VISUAL issue.
    The VISUAL doesn't line up with the VERBAL.

    While nobody is disputing the verbal issue that women don't want to be objectivized, you can't easily describe the VISUAL issue with mere words.
    Well, Hemingway can. Clemens can. Guy de Maupassant can.

    But I can't.
    So I'll need imagery (lots of it) to convey the concept properly.

    For example, THIS is how one group of reasonable (mature, responsible) women dress and act...when they go out to party...
    [image]http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/800redhats.jpg[/image]


    PS: The word "dude" is unbecoming of you...



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 1:29:31 AM)

    Bear in mind this thread is NOT only about DRESSING.
    This thread is about dressing one way and saying something quite different on the other hand.

    And, it seems that, for the most part, the more mature women who frequent here don't exhibit the visual-versus-verbal "issues" that are being outlined in this thread...

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    First of all, local men actually prefer conservative dressing females as romantic partners. So if you dress pleasant on the eye, but professional and conservative, you will get ALOT of male attention. They love women that look like ice queen virgins and completely covers up.

    I can't touch that one, because I have never studied that aspect of romantic behavior (so I have no clue if that statement bears any resemblance to the truth)...

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    So looking unattractive assures you get zero male attention at your work place.

    I'm confused.
    Isn't the workplace expressly for doing work?
    What does attractiveness have to do with anything in the professional work environment?

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    I hate being seen as a female at work. I like to be one of the guys. So I refuse to look like one. But so far, everytime when I have been chastitise for it, I have resigned, and each time, they relented and leave me alone. Not only with this company but several companies, as I was a hard worker and I did a great job. They can't fault me for my work. They can only complain about my dressing and my refusal to wear make up.

    I have worked for decades in professional environments back east and here in the Silicon Valley, and most of my bosses were female, which is not in the least a problem for anyone in the high-tech field.

    But, never. Never ever. Never have I heard a peep from ANYONE about what MAKEUP a woman wore (or didn't wear)!

    It's a subject that just never has ever come up.
    What kind of work do you do that makeup makes any difference whatsoever to job performance?

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    I like to wear baggy male work shirts and straight cut male pants. And I even wear male black shoes. And point is, if they tell me I can't work there anymore unless I change and start wearing more feminine, I resign and leave, and don't try to fight them on it. I respect their policy, but I don't have to be part of it.

    Never once have I seen or heard of such actions in the professional work environment.
    Not once.
    In decades of work in professional environments.
    It just doesn't exist where I've worked.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    Move on and find someone else to work for. My dressing does not affect my good service to customers.

    When we visit customers, of course, we polish the dress code a bit (suits for both the men and women, for example), but, other than bringing up the dress code a notch, the dress code has NEVER been a problem where I work.

    About the only "clothing" problem I can remember in the professional work environment was that a young receptionist had to put a large square band aid on her shoulder tattoo whenever she wore clothing that would have revealed the tattoo. While I was NEVER apprised of a specific dress code for anyone, when I asked her why she always had a band aid on her arm, she told me her boss made her cover it up.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    I'm confident about the work I do, and I can't be bothered to entertain their dress code. I dress neatly, like a man, and it's not untidy. My shirt and pants are neatly pressed, my shoes are polished.

    I didn't look up where you're from, but, it seems you'd fit in perfectly in the Silicon Valley work environment.
    What matters here is job performance.

    Nothing else matters.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    Anyway, I like dressing up feminine only for my man. In that, I will wear anything he wants. Why should I dress for anybody else's aesthetics who I do not want attention from?

    This makes total sense to me.

    The point of your statement above is that you both ACT and DRESS appropriately for the situation and that your WORDS don't belie your ACTIONS in doing so.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    Currently, it still pisses me off when men tell me I am disrespecting them by refusing to wear make up. Of course that just makes me even more determined never to wear it, ever! It's just incredible how many local men keeps telling me that. One guy told me that he would be embarrass to take me to a company function if I refuse to put on make up. It's just incredible to me.

    I also would find it utterly incredible for anyone to even MENTION the topic of makeup in a professional environment.

    As I said, I have plenty of experience working in the Silicon Valley, and I can't remember once when that topic has EVER come up.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    But anyway, I've been sticking to men who appreciate my natural face and avoiding these guys who are make up militants. I think there is seriously something wrong with this world, when a man thinks it's mandatory for a woman to always wear make up.


    I'm curious what FIELD you are in where anyone actually CARES about what makeup a woman wears?



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 2:14:19 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    I'm going to tackle this a bit differently, crumpets.

    Excellent.
    The more varied the valid viewpoint, the more accurate the combined results.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    My answer is this: Some people (men and women) say one thing and do another. Period.


    THANK YOU for saying that!

    I've been expending tremendous efforts to show visual depictions of just that notion, where, with your acceptance of the fact that I'm trying to outline, I don't need to try so hard to prove the point.
    Thank you (for being intelligent, open minded, and above all, logically reasonable).

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    Your problem is seeing those people are generalities and asking EVERYONE to explain it. The thing is, even if we do explain it, we could be wrong because we don't think that way or because we are some of those people, and we are deluded ourselves.


    I think THAT single sentence is the key to the answer to the conundrum!

    LadyPact brought up the perfectly valid topic that most of my examples were of YOUNG women, and how THEY act, whereas, I'll wager that almost all, if not all, the women on this thread are NOT in that category of women.

    The women responding here are older, more mature, than the women depicted in the images purposefully selected to show the hypocrisy in how THEY (the younger women) act, versus the perceived (and universally agreed upon) concept that women should not be 'objectivized.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    So, what's the point?

    Ah. That IS the point!

    Bearing in mind that our founding forefathers, who all owned slaves and were married to women who weren't allowed to vote, decreed that all men are created equal, it's not lost on ANYONE that there is hypocrisy in this world with respect to what people SAY versus what they actually DO.

    So, with that type of blatant hypocrisy in mind, when I first opened this thread, I had clearly already seen the ACT-vs-SAY hypocrisy first hand (anyone with any logical senses combined with working eyeballs and ears would have to agree with the basic premise of this thread as it applies to SOME people).

    However, my folly was that I had not properly BOUNDED the overall condition of the initial opening statements.

    Lady Pact was the first person (I believe) who properly bounded the ACT-vs-SAY situation to limit it, for the most part, to how the YOUNGER crowd ACTS, versus what we all say (which is that women should not be objectivized).

    So, while ALL women don't want to be objectivized, it appears that it's mainly the older, mature women who actually act in a manner that is in keeping with those words.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    Here's what I would suggest, instead: Be more specific.

    I think I just was! :)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    Interact with people who show consistency in thought, character and actions. If they do something that you think may be uncharacteristic, ask about it.

    I realize you didn't mean that in the microcosm, but, you will note that this is exactly what I did with the posters here who showed merit in their dialog.
    Those who had zero merit, received equal value in my responses.

    Those with great merit, such as yours and quite a few others', received a line-by-line response, often with illustrative examples, in kind.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    For example, I VERY RARELY show any of my sexual bits online. I don't feel a need to. Mostly, I figure those are for people who have earned it. That said, I hint at them now and again and actually have a photo that shows my breasts up. In those cases, I choose the photos because to me they are more artistic than purely sexual. They make a statement, in my view.

    Rest assured, I''ve viewed each and every one of your 182 pictures on a specific web site, and I find that you embody a lively adventurous well-restrained but lively spirit in every one of those that portray you. In fact, from mustaches to pirate patches to red lipstick to hair sets, you exude an exuberant fun-loving sense of fun, fashion, and penache!

    Again, what I failed to do was BOUND the conditions of the original statements to only the less responsible far younger crowd of women, who seem to more often ACT disproportionately to their spoken words.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    Now, YOU might see them as purely sexual, and think they are not usual for me. You can choose to mark me as someone who is inconsistent or you can ask what my reasoning is.

    Rest assured, I do NOT see your photo set (at least the current photo set I am privy to) as purely sexual.
    I see a fun-loving sense of style and adventure mixed in with a dash of irreverent aplomb!

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    You see?

    I do.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    Why bother figuring out ALL women (including NFL cheerleaders), if you are not looking for ALL women?


    Oh.... I bother to categorize all rocks. I bother to categorize all viruses. I know all the medically important bacteria. I know a ton about operating systems. I am professionally competent in extremely complex state-of-the-art Silicon Valley hardware and software. I can build and program a working computer practically from transistors. I'm an expert in software usability. I carve full-body human life-like figurines out of wood I find in the forests. I must have over 50 geology books alone. Probably as many electrical engineering texts. I've build and wired the entire neighborhood for wireless Wi-Fi. I own my own milling machine and lathes. I have never in my life taken a car to a mechanic. I maintain my own pool equipment and chemistry and landscaping and wells and electrical and plumbing. I know every inaccessible nook and cranny in entire mountains here surrounding the Silicon Valley probably better than any other living person. etc. (that's just off the top of my head).

    Point is, I categorize stuff.
    Otherwise I couldn't get a firm grip on any of those complex subjects.

    By way of just one example, here's a hastily collected sample of just some of my microbiology, immunology, and pathology textbooks that I recently posted to the shingles thread when someone challenged me on what I inherently knew about the Herpes Zoster virus.
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/5tgqdUv.jpg[/image]

    PS: One of my favorite studies was outlined in that blue microbial flora book where we studied, in intimate detail, the evolution of the microbial biome of the female vagina (this is the truth) from the days in the womb, all through childhood to puberty to childbearing and on to menopause and beyond
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/pCO8EtP.jpg[/image]

    OT: Don't ever get me even started on the delicate and innumerable intricacies of the physiology of the lovely female vagina!



    NookieNotes -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 2:59:45 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets

    Point is, I categorize stuff.
    Otherwise I couldn't get a firm grip on any of those complex subjects.


    Oh, I do, too.

    The thing that matters, though, it to start general and end specific.

    Shape > Quadrangle > Parallelogram > Rectangle > Square

    So, you have many categories to sort through.

    Human > Female > Young > Immature > Self-Unaware

    There is your category. Also realize it could be:

    Human > Female > Young > Disingenuous

    The problem is that you started your thread with

    Human > Female

    And human females responded, but very few are specific to the type that you are looking for answers from, and perhaps were not even that type when they were that age.

    So, by all means keep categorizing. Just do it right, down into the specifics.



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 3:07:18 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    Yes, and you are completely ignoring the point about, what you consider sexual isn't sexual to women.
    So they are doing and saying consistently.

    What you're saying is that you feel there are different frames of reference.
    I understand the point; but I'm not so sure that's what is really going on here.

    To flesh out what you said, I must ask, along those lines, why none of the pictures I posted (admittedly of how YOUNG women act) seemed the least bit sexual to you?
    Not even the picture of the sharp quick twisting thrust of the fanny so that the USC cheerleader's skirt could (accidentally of course) rise so far above the waist as to reveal the entire panty-clad bottom?

    Not the numerous pictures of the same cheerleaders essentially striking the fuck-me-doggie-style poses on the playing field, in front of innumerable men, women, and children?

    None of them were reminiscent of poses that are decidedly sexual in nature to you?
    If you insist on answering in the affirmative, then we truly are looking at the situation from wholly different frames of reference.
    [image]https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FlWCsqosM68/0.jpg[/image]

    NOTE TO SELF:
    If you failed to see the sexual nature of those purposefully chosen photos, then I failed in my attempt to illustrate the situation as it exists today.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    What is sexual to you, is not sexual to them.

    I beg to differ.
    Nobody is that naive.

    However, to your point, one could argue that's expressly why many high schools feel they need to enforce a dress code, which, despite the fact that they're always politically correct unisex wise, they're mostly, IMHO, designed to force young girls to cover more skin than they would otherwise cover sans that dress code.
    [image]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/06/10/2A445F1600000578-3148705-image-a-11_1436176704875.jpg[/image]
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    So your question is why do women say they don't like being sexualised, but they do things that seem like, they like it?
    Because you wrongly interprete their actions as sexual actions.

    Do I really need to show some of those pictures again?
    I thought I was done with the show and tell portion of this thread.

    If you want, bear in mind that I can easily find THOUSANDS of explicit porn pictures with women spread out in EXACTLY the same hands-down legs-spread fanny-up poses, ya' know.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    Men brain are wired differently from female brain.
    And women ain't gonna make any accommodations to appear less sexual to men, just because men want to misinterpret it as sexual.

    Given that you found the pictures I selected to be wholly non sexual, I can see where you're coming from with that conclusion.
    However, I beg do differ with you on your fundamental premise that the positions are wholly non sexual.
    But I am getting tired of illustrating that point, so, if you haven't gotten that point by now, then we need to move on to other endeavors.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    You know in Malaysia, one of the Ministers said, women are causing men emotional distress by not dressing in the appropriate hijab.
    To them, even a woman wearing jeans and t-shirt is flaunting their sexuality into men's faces on purpose.

    I have never studied this phenomenon; however I am well aware of it, and, in fact, I had previously posted an ironic cartoon of a similar ironic cultural effect.
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/pk9SXgu.png[/image]

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Greta75
    So the problem is that men don't look at things and think the same as women.

    Actually, you ARE on to something there.
    What women find to be "fun" and "flirtatious", men can easily find to be something altogether different.

    I have asked friends, in the past, why they wear what they wear, and I remember one saying seemingly innocently, "Because it's fun to tease the guys".



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 3:14:45 AM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    Human > Female > Young > Immature > Self-Unaware
    There is your category.

    Also realize it could be:
    Human > Female > Young > Disingenuous


    Wow. I wish I were as succinct as you.
    You hit the nail on the head!

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    The problem is that you started your thread with
    Human > Female
    And human females responded, but very few are specific to the type that you are looking for answers from

    I agree with you completely.
    Well said!

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
    So, by all means keep categorizing. Just do it right...

    I will never stop trying to figure such things out and to put them in the neat categories where each belongs, down to as specific as it needs to get, because I can handle seemingly infinite amounts of detail ... when it starts coalescing into a valid concept that withstands the rigors of the tests put to it.

    Here's just another of my books, that probably illustrate why...
    [image]https://i.imgur.com/reXfOjb.jpg[/image]



    crumpets -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 9:05:07 AM)

    I'm giving every worthy post a likewise appropriate response, so, I finally made it to the 3rd page.
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    no you arent Crumpets

    Yes I am crumpets!
    :)
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    You are showing pictures taken at one specific time and space and using it as support for your "proof" , and NOT using the women SHOWN with their own words.


    Your two-part point is valid in that
  • The pictures are selected (from a google search) to illustrate the argument at hand, and,
  • We have no idea what THOSE particular women say.

    To your first (valid) point, I would agree with you, with the minor exception being that I'm not presenting a "proof"; I'm presenting an observation, and then I'm asking what makes the women do what they do (since it seems to be contrary to the commonly accepted argument that women, as a whole, don't wish to be objectivized).

    To your second (equally valid) point, I must agree that I presented only evidence of what the (supremely) naive Hooter's waitresses said, but I didn't present any other quotes from the cheerleaders, Madonna, the Las Vegas hookers, the Olympic athletes, the Red Hat Society, etc.

    However, to effectively counter that latter point, you'd probably have to show me where women, in general (save for the exception of the likes of Miley Cyrus and hookers), do NOT agree with the concept that they don't wish to be sexually objectivized.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    You are ascribing the pictures to all women, and we know dont we that you do NOT understand that NO woman has the exact same thoughts as another.

    That's a fair question to ask:

    FAIR QUESTION TO ASK:
  • Do most women (perhaps with the exception of the likes of hookers and Madonna) NOT want to be objectivized, or, is there quite a huge proportion of women who actually DO want to be sexually objectivized (particularly, the younger generation, who are disproportionately displayed in the prior images)?

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    I couldnt apply for a job at hooters,
    1, im too old,
    2. Im certainly not going to get hired for my face,
    3 Im not going to get hired for my size.


    Join the club. Even when I was young and all muscle, I'm sure I'd never have been hired by Chippendales (I dance like a white nerd, if you can picture that sad image in your mind).

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    no matter if I have a degree in mixology or business management and dressed as required" and sex sells.

    I have as much experience in the Silicon Valley professional world as anyone, and I'd say I have never once seen a case where a professional was hired for their looks. Not once.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    You might wanna go back in history before the victorian age to find dresses with bared upper breasts was de rigeur.

    I think it's quite common to see women in bared upper breasts today.
    Certainly I will see a dozen breasts just this week, if I go out amongst the hoi polloi.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    Im a woman, You know, that I love erotica, nudes, glamour, why should you consider women who embrace their sexuality and femininity as being "sluts" or whores'(from the previous shitty thread.


    Ah, you harbor a grudge perchance?

    The whole "sluts/whores" concept is a BIOLOGICAL trait of "men/women", and is meant to summarize innate biological drives as succinctly as humanly possible. But let's not go there in this thread.

    This thread isn't about sluts or whores; this thread is merely about the OBSERVATION that (it turns out) the YOUNGER generation (which all of us were at one time ourselves) tends to ACT disproportionately AGAINST the maxim that women in general (save for actresses & hookers) don't wish to be sexually objectivized.

    This thread is an attempt to RECONCILE that obvious observation with those assumed words!
    be succinct

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    I have corsets, I have crotchless panties, I have enough lingerie to open a shop. well for plus size women at least.

    Ah, but would you WEAR those underthings in the middle of a college football stadium, in front of innumerable and countless men, women, and children?

    As LadyPact so astutely observed, we seem to have TWO CLEAR CATEGORIES OF WOMEN!
  • Younger, prime-child-bearing-age women, who don't seem to ACT as they SAY, and,
  • Older, mature women, who seem to more appropriately ACT as they SAY

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    I have customers who all wear their lingerie for their own reasons. Not just to titillate men.


    This is quite a valid observation which directly relates to "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?".

    I agree: Why women dress and act the way they do is never going to be as simple as, say, why men dress and act the way they do.
    [image]http://volganga.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/men-vs-women_12.jpg[/image]

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
    ALtho IM fine if they do. WHo am I to judge what makes women feel sexy in. Its her feelings not mine or yours.


    This thread is not about one thing alone; it's (now) about reconciling the fact that the (presumed) observation is that (younger) women tend to act disproportionately against the commonly accepted maxim that women don't want to be sexually objectivized.

    What that means is that this thread is nothing if we only discuss one or the other; we need to reconcile BOTH together to make any observational headway.

    Basically, what are they THINKING that allows them to do one thing but say the other?
    [image]http://www.kyaboss.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/5636f2fc1c2c6af0297286d7579c9b24.jpeg[/image]



    • Greta75 -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 9:15:38 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets
    To flesh out what you said, I must ask, along those lines, why none of the pictures I posted (admittedly of how YOUNG women act) seemed the least bit sexual to you?
    Not even the picture of the sharp quick twisting thrust of the fanny so that the USC cheerleader's skirt could (accidentally of course) rise so far above the waist as to reveal the entire panty-clad bottom?

    Because I am a straight woman, Not a man! And I am neither bisexual or lesbian. So it isn't sexual to me. This is my point! What is sexual to you, may not be sexual to us women! So there is no actions differ from words to me at all. You chose to look at it as sexual and you see discrepancy. When I look at cheerleaders, I will praise their outfits as pretty, and depending on the cheer leading they do, I am looking at the skills displayed. The last thing I am thinking about is that it is sexual at all.




    Greta75 -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 9:21:06 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets
    But why is it that the men on the very same USC cheerleading squad can somehow (magically?) manage to dance without showing their panties every five seconds?

    Men have protruding dicks. For them to wear panties like ladies, will look vulgar and unpleasant to the eye, with the bulge.
    It's like I think men look ugly in swimming trunks. I prefer them in board shorts. And I specially have a preference for men who wear boxers than briefs.

    So technically, those men are wearing what is more pleasant to my eye.





    Greta75 -> RE: Someone please explain to me what women are thinking (2/2/2016 9:24:08 AM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets
    [image]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/06/10/2A445F1600000578-3148705-image-a-11_1436176704875.jpg[/image]

    Like seriously, even the one with shorter skirt does not look sexual to me at all. Most school girls over here wear it that length. And yes, we all wear uniforms to school as a norm.

    Like how can anybody see that, and think it's intentionally being sexy? I don't get it.

    It's more comfortable for sure, especially in my climate to wear skirt that length.



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