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Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 3:25:38 AM   
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It used to be the case that people got their gossip over the garden fence or from a bit of curtain twitching. But now we have the internet and the nature of chat has changed forever.
They way we communicate online jumped back into the headlines last week when Monica Lewinsky, famous for her love affair with President Clinton, spoke at the Ted (Technology, Entertainment and Design) conference in Vancouver.
Describing herself as one of the first victims of cyber-gossip, she said that it had taken her over a decade to get over it. Now back in the public eye, she called for a more compassionate internet.
Community spirit?
We have all seen nasty comments online - whether they be a row on Twitter or a catty response on Facebook.

The internet acts like a kind of digital-fuelled alcohol, freeing us to say things to strangers that we would never dare to say if we met them.
Dave Harte, a lecturer in media communication at Birmingham City University, believes that social media gives us a connection with each other that we are all craving.
"We have a vague sense of having lost something - the idea of chatting to a neighbour or meeting at the village post office. In many ways it is a media-created perception. Maybe we have all watched too many episodes of 'Call the Midwife'," he said.
"But we are always trying to retrieve it and having a digital presence can often seem like a trouble-free replacement for meeting each other."
Even back in the early days of the internet, online chat could very easily turn sour.
"Discussions in these groups would have followed a similar pattern. People with shared interests come together but often they would disintegrate because the internet gives people the opportunity to say things that you wouldn't say face to face," said Mr Harte.

Trolling has become an established term for people who sow discord on the internet by starting arguments - and there are a lot of them around.
Women seem to be particularly prone - a survey conducted by cosmetics firm Dove and Twitter found that in 2014 over five million negative tweets were posted about beauty and body image - and four out of five of them appeared to come from women.
Danah Boyd, principal researcher at Microsoft Research and a recognised expert on how we use social media, commented in a recent blog: "Over the last few years, as the internet went from being a geeky subculture to something that is truly mainstream, I started watching as young women used technology to demean themselves and each other. It has broken my heart over and over again."
"It's high time that we all stop and reflect on what we're saying and posting when we use our fingers to talk in public," she concluded.
Following the survey, Twitter has set up a partnership with Dove dubbed #SpeakBeautiful aimed at trying to counteract internet negativity.

Suburban gossip

I know a bit about how women interact online because, until recently, I was a member of a Facebook group called Maidenhead Gossip Girls - made up of 8,000 plus women based in or around the Thames-side Berkshire town.
Funnily enough there wasn't a lot of gossip on it. Instead there were lots of questions asking for recommendations for local tradespeople, good restaurants to visit, things to do with the kids on a wet Bank Holiday weekend.
People posted pictures of their children's rashes and asked for an online diagnosis.
Some seemed never to have heard of search engines, asking questions for which the obvious answer was "Google it".
And a few members made no distinction between the group they had joined with 7,999 strangers and their own personal Facebook page, sharing information that could easily be prefaced with the words 'too much'.
There were lots of positive posts on there - requests for charity donations elicited many responses, lone mothers were put in touch with others in the same situation, requests to help out a down-on-their-luck friend with old furniture brought floods of offers and a picture of a lost teddy found in the street meant the toy was quickly reunited with its distraught child-owner.
But there were also a lot of arguments.
A woman asking for recommendations for where to get her young daughter's ears pierced got more than she bargained for when several group members questioned whether ear-piercing for a young child was something she should even be considering.
Others hopped in to defend her right to ask the question and soon the argument had moved far beyond the original question.
Seemingly innocent threads recommending a local clairvoyant, asking how to treat Thrush, where to buy a paper lantern or simply showing off about how a toddler had learned to read - all seemed to blow up into heated discussions.
Some of the more inflammatory posts would run to hundreds of comments, each getting a little snipier than the last.

Little wonder then that one disaffected member decided to start her own group.
Dubbed The Maidenhead Mumble (MM) it was clear from the start it would be a satirical version of MGG.
Posts on MGG - now known to members of the new group as "dark side" - were parodied. Pictures of severed fingers were posted next to questions ' should I go to the doctors or just put a plaster on it?"
People referred to each other as "tossers" and there was quite a lot of swearing - not really allowed on MGG.
If MGG was a pleasant cafe by the river Thames where respectable mums drank coffee, MM was a smokey bar where shots were the preferred choice.
And while there were, refreshingly, no arguments between members, it was developing a dark side of its own with individuals from MGG singled out and openly ridiculed.
There was also clearly a double-agent - referred to as "the mole" - who was passing information back to MGG on what was happening on MM.
As a result, people who had posted in the new group suddenly found themselves barred from MGG. Including me.
Initially outraged that I had been blocked when I hadn't broken any of its rules - I had never even posted on the group - I contacted the administrators; five local women.
Be nicer.

I was offered no explanation as to why I was removed and when I said I was going to write something on the BBC about it, I was told "no comment".
Facebook confirmed that it was up to administrators to make decisions about members and if they wanted to change the settings from Public to Secret they could, removing whoever they chose along the way - even if they hadn't broken any rules.
The social network did not want to comment specifically on my case but more generally a spokeswoman said: "Unfortunately there are some people who set out to annoy or frustrate others online, just as in everyday life. Our rules and tools are designed to help keep Facebook a respectful place for the 1.3 billion people who use our service around the world."
The problem is that the nature of the internet means that within groups and the wider social networks we are all part of, people are only a few clicks away from being able to annoy frustrate or upset a whole range of people - often strangers.
And for many the temptation to respond to a post they find annoying or frustrating is just too hard to resist - as I encountered on MGG.
What we do to counteract that is unclear but we could start by following the advice of the woman who has been victim to more cyber-gossip and net negativity than perhaps any other.
During her Ted speech, Ms Lewinsky urged people simply to "post something positive".




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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 3:37:48 AM   
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I think it's because people are being more honest, more blunt than you would be in real life interaction of people. No longer attempting to be diplomatic and saying things with no filter.

Unfortunately, talking like that, means, it can come off as super duper mean and even aggressive sometimes.

Also, you are interacting with people you don't really care about and don't care about their feelings, so it happens.


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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 3:53:51 AM   
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The online world has enabled anyone, whether highly functional, dysfunctional, sociopathic, pathological or just mean spirited to be keyboard warriors.

People are mean to get an instant of gratification or attention.

I think many people feel very disconnected by their own addiction to technology.

I just went to a rock concert and it was mind boggling at how many people were on their phones tweeting, face booking, texting....everything but actually watching the concert. It was ridiculous.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 4:05:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

I think it's because people are being more honest, more blunt than you would be in real life interaction of people. No longer attempting to be diplomatic and saying things with no filter.

Unfortunately, talking like that, means, it can come off as super duper mean and even aggressive sometimes.

Also, you are interacting with people you don't really care about and don't care about their feelings, so it happens.



Well in some cases that observation may well be true but in most it is down to the natural aggression that some personality trait type individuals acquire and maintain through life.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 4:11:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

The online world has enabled anyone, whether highly functional, dysfunctional, sociopathic, pathological or just mean spirited to be keyboard warriors.

People are mean to get an instant of gratification or attention.

I think many people feel very disconnected by their own addiction to technology.

I just went to a rock concert and it was mind boggling at how many people were on their phones tweeting, face booking, texting....everything but actually watching the concert. It was ridiculous.

Indeed that again is true and is related to the response given by Greta75. The fact is that there is a somewhat over abundance of that behavior on this particular website more so than others. A decade ago that came to the attention of the Psychology Department of Sydney University. They had students spamming this website trawling for sexual deviency profiles and message threads. Hence the disclaimer and warning on many profiles today.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 4:14:38 AM   
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Well in some cases that observation may well be true but in most it is down to the natural aggression that some personality trait type individuals acquire and maintain through life.

Even in real life, I seldom meet very calm people. Most people are aggressive and that's why you stay diplomatic and keep their aggression at bay.

The way you interact with people, and respond to people can have an effect on how they respond to you too.

In real life, at least for me, I tend to be more controlling on these factors. As in, I manage different personalities to keep their aggression at bay. I mean, we are trying to get things done, bring people together and fulfill a goal, and make things progress, work, move forward, get things accomplish efficiently and get people working together or mingling in harmony.

But online, most of the time, I don't bother practicing diplomacy because, I am not managing people here and if they blow up, it's not my job to bother defusing it, neither is it my job to keep the peace and harmony online, so it's just different.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 4:24:44 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Well in some cases that observation may well be true but in most it is down to the natural aggression that some personality trait type individuals acquire and maintain through life.

Even in real life, I seldom meet very calm people. Most people are aggressive and that's why you stay diplomatic and keep their aggression at bay.

The way you interact with people, and respond to people can have an effect on how they respond to you too.

In real life, at least for me, I tend to be more controlling on these factors. As in, I manage different personalities to keep their aggression at bay. I mean, we are trying to get things done, bring people together and fulfill a goal, and make things progress, work, move forward, get things accomplish efficiently and get people working together or mingling in harmony.

But online, most of the time, I don't bother practicing diplomacy because, I am not managing people here and if they blow up, it's not my job to bother defusing it, neither is it my job to keep the peace and harmony online, so it's just different.


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Cyberstalking and Cyberharassment

In the early days of cyberabuse, when WiredSafety's volunteers first offered help to victims of cyberstalking and cyber-harassment in 1995, cyberstalking and cyberharassment were defined differently. Now cyberstalking and cyberharassment are lumped together along with any way adults use digital technology to torment, harass, intentionally annoy or set their victims up for attacks by unwitting third parties (like hate groups and violent individuals). While this short article summarizes cyberharassment, WiredSafety has more resources and more experience than any other online group on the issue of cyberharassment, cyberstalking and cyberbullying (minor-to-minor). Visit our tutorials, take a class or two online with us, visit our help channel or refer your case to our WiredPatrol Internet Response Team for help form our specially-trained volunteers. The one thing you need to understand about cyberharassment is that you shouldn't have to live with it.

Why Don't We Call Adult Cyberharassment "Cyberbullying"? Parry Aftab reminds us that, with cyberbullying and harassment, what we need to know as adults we already learned in kindergarten. How does that work when the Internet was a twinkle in Vint Cerf's eye when most of us were young? It's not complicated. We all understand name-calling, being excluded or being threatened at some point in our young lives. Now imagine that we could retaliate against anyone who has wronged us, made us angry, jealous or unfairly-judged and not get caught. If we were invisible, what would be do or say to those we dislike or hold in contempt? How would we lash out against others, what would we do that we would never consider doing openly? That is cyberharassment, and when it involves spying, tracking and targeting our online activities, communications and friends, is "cyberstalking." But for all purposes, they are interchangeable terms. Several things motivate cyberharassment. These can range from boredom and the harasser seeking entertainment to personal vendettas, and include:

Revenge
Jealousy
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Bigotry
Fear
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To get the attention of the target or others
Sometimes there is no motive at all, and the target was targeted merely because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It becomes a cybercrime of convenience. There are several things you can do to make you less vulnerable to cyberharassment. We will teach you those in our WiredCampus classes and here in our Resources Section. If you need help, drop by our Getting Help or Looking for Help pages.

Responding to Cyberharassment

"The US federal cyberstalking law is designed to prosecute people for using electronic means to repeatedly harass or threaten someone online," said Parry Aftab, who is also an attorney who specializes in Internet law. "It's right on point."

Cyberstalkers can hide their identities when contacting their victims students. Further, cyberharassment can cross over into physical assaults, Aftab said. Online harassment has led to fights, and in some cases, stabbings, murder and suicide. The Justice Department says cyber stalking presents unique challenges for school officials, law enforcement and victims because:

When targets can't identify anonymous stalkers, police may be hesitant to respond.
Authorities may minimize reports, assuming online partners will never meet.
Cyberstalkers can sometimes learn a target's true identity, location and routines while the target can't pinpoint them.
Cyberstalkers can use cyberspace to publicly compound a target's distress.
Aftab and the US Justice Department recommend advising a target of cyberstalking to take the following steps:

Tell the person not to make contact again.
Save all communications for evidence. Do not alter them in any way. Keep electronic copies, not just print-outs.
Save any information that suggests a violent threat and contact law enforcement.
If the harassment continues, contact the harasser's Internet service provider. The ISP is provided with instant messages. Most ISPs prohibit using their service for abusive purposes. An ISP can often intervene by directly contacting the stalker or closing his account.
Keep a record of your contacts with ISP officials or law enforcement officials.
When contacting police, provide specific details such as any tangible evidence you've collected. In cases of a serious threat, police can refer the matter to state or federal authorities for investigation. The stalker may be prosecuted in court.
If the target is afraid to act, find help through other resources, such as WiredSafety.
Working with police

The quick answer is that if there is a hint of physical violence, public postings designed to point people to the victim's real life location or contact information, or threats of any kind, it's essential that law enforcement is called right away. If the cyberbullying/cyberharassment involves cyberbullying/cyberstalking-by- proxy and hate groups or threats of death or serious bodily harm, you don't have time to waste. You need to turn this over to law enforcement or your school resource officer right away. The more information that can be gathered, the faster they can act. But the threat has to be treated as a credible threat until proven otherwise.

Make sure that no one adds new software or alters the computer in any way during an investigation. You'll need a live copy of the communication or post, not just a print-out. The coding that accompanies all cyber communications is the only way to know if the communication was spoofed or if someone has taken over someone else's account to send or post it. Some sites and service providers also have a school liaison representative who will help handle emergencies spotted by the school. The time to check on these things is long before you need them, not in a crisis.

Working with service providers

The leading social networks, virtual worlds, and gaming sites, as a requirement for their being awarded the WiredTrust Best Practice Seal, must draft and provide a copy of a law enforcement investigators guide to help law enforcement agencies understand how the network/site/online service provider works, what they collect, and how police can reach out to contact them when things go wrong.

Emergencies

Most networks and service providers have a law enforcement liaison to assist law enforcement with investigations and inquiries. Their first inquiry needs to ask that the data be preserved. The responsible sites usually will do this on a phone call or faxed letter. They then will need a subpoena and to serve that subpoena wherever and however the network or service provider requires. The sites may have phone numbers for after-hour use. Make sure your local police department has this information available to them when you need it. Again, forewarned is forearmed. Do it well in advance of the time you need it.

Defining the School Cyberbullying Problem

All schools, parents and students are struggling to address and contain the growing cyberbullying problem. While bullying itself is difficult to prevent, cyberbullying is much harder. It starts online and moves offline, or starts offline and moves online or starts and stays online. It happens during the school day on student-owned devices as well as school computers. It happens off-premises, after-hours and bleeds into the school day. As Parry Aftab has said repeatedly, and the volunteers at WiredSafety who handle cyberbullying cases and help victims and their families know, there is no silver bullet. There is no one answer. But there are many ways to attack the problem, piece by piece.

Schools have approached this in different ways. Many schools have adopted policies and rules that the parents and students have to sign before the students are permitted to use the Internet at school. Some are using filtering products. Others are sending notices to parents and setting policies for safe and acceptable use. Some are trying to regulate student activities after hours and off-premises. And, when they overstep their authority, schools are finding themselves named in lawsuits for infringing on a student's free speech or due process rights. Far too often, schools lose these lawsuits.

There is no "one size fits all" here. Solutions need to be customized to take into consideration the school's technology uses and staffing, curriculum, students' needs and behavior, parents' concerns, and community values. It is more a matter of awareness about the problem areas than the specific laws, which change often and vary jurisdiction by jurisdiction. All good lawyers know how to spot a potential legal problem. Good school administrators and educators, unfortunately, in these difficult times do, too. The new issues, such as cyberbullying and how far a school's authority can extend, and social networking websites, such as MySpace.com and Facebook.com (among others), create challenges to grapple with and emotional parental responses. Where do we start? We all need to remember that we are still learning, often the hard way. Children are very innovative in abusing the Internet and each other. Sometimes they do this intentionally. But almost as often, they hurt each other with miscommunications, poor digital literacy and hygiene skills.

Just when we think we understand the risks and have worked out solutions, they surprise us with their innovations. But, if parents, school administrators and school boards, teachers, school safety officers, students, guidance counselors and librarians and library-media specialists work together and keep the lines of communication open, we'll keep making progress. All we have to do is hold out until this new generation of Internet-savvy students become parents, teachers, and school administrators themselves.

Understanding Cyberbullying & Cyberharassment

What's the difference between "cyberbullying" and "cyberstalking and harassment"? Parry Aftab receives this question 100 times a week. They are the same thing (with a few minor tweaks) except that "cyberbullying" as a term is reserved for minors hurting other minors. Anything involving adults is called "cyberstalking and harassment" or just "cyberharassment." So, please don't visit our StopCyberbullying.org website (the most popular cyberbullying website in the world) and tell us that we somehow forgot that adults can be targeted online. Be know that. It's making sure you understand your terms.

The better you do, the easier it will be for you to communicate your problem. Cyberbullying = minors only. Cyberstalking=adults (or adults and minors). "Cyberharassment"= adults (or adults and minors)

For cyberbullying information and resources, visit our StopCyberbullying.org site. It has everything you need and will be updated as soon as we are finished with WiredSafety. Remember, if you need our help, check out Getting Help, or Looking for Help.

WiredSafety also formed the StopCyberbullying Coalition of leading NGO and industry organizations to join forces and fight cyberbullying.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 6:47:35 AM   
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Well it must be said to acquaint people with the realities and how best to ignore it are deal with it accordingly. Few people bother to read any websites rules and small print and this thread can act as a reminder.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 10:06:38 AM   
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The online world has enabled anyone, whether highly functional, dysfunctional, sociopathic, pathological or just mean spirited to be keyboard warriors.

People are mean to get an instant of gratification or attention.

I think many people feel very disconnected by their own addiction to technology.

I just went to a rock concert and it was mind boggling at how many people were on their phones tweeting, face booking, texting....everything but actually watching the concert. It was ridiculous.

Online where you can be whoever you want to be, why do so many idiots choose to stay idiots.?
THe plethora of socks might be able to answer, but I have them all on hide:)


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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 11:20:07 AM   
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lack of reality it is not rocket science clone personage - I have warned thee of this time and time again
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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 12:08:01 PM   
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Repent all you evil doers. None of you are victims and none of you are innocents. You are all dangerous troublemakers. Lent is with us and you should give up your wicked ways and be ready for Easter the most important day in all Christendom. Do not grow fat on chocolate eggs for Obesity is gluttony and abomination unto our Lord God.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 1:06:08 PM   
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lack of reality it is not rocket science clone personage - I have warned thee of this time and time again
wanders of to look out his thrashing toaster

you keep saying that when Im no clone, Ive offered to verify myself to you, but you just lie like a bad toupee

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 3:04:09 PM   
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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 3:27:13 PM   
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I just went to a rock concert and it was mind boggling at how many people were on their phones tweeting, face booking, texting....everything but actually watching the concert. It was ridiculous.
Welcome to the future... people's faces glow at night time now. I bet no one saw that coming. >_<

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/1/2016 11:08:41 PM   
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To the OP: You should give credit where credit is due. You lifted this from the following site: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-31749753

The giveaway? It was twofold. First, Monica Lewinsky did her TED talk in Vancouver almost a year ago. I know because I viewed her TED talk online a while back. Secondly, the "voice" of the OP sounded very much like a journalist. It didn't take long to find the original piece.

You also repeated words from another site: https://www.wiredsafety.org/subjects/cyberbullying.php

it would have been nice to credit the author of those words instead of claiming ownership yourself. Plagiarism does not reflect well on you.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/2/2016 2:46:45 AM   
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I wonder if this is some type of experiment in AI / Bot marketing/artificial discussions that the CIA/FSB/Mosad/Google is trying out.

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/2/2016 4:51:35 AM   
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I wonder if this is some type of experiment in AI / Bot marketing/artificial discussions that the CIA/FSB/Mosad/Google is trying out.



The truth is stranger than fiction dude!

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/2/2016 9:47:10 AM   
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I often pondered that question ever since my much younger sister stole and ate all my remaining candies. I gave her half of mine, she had eaten all of hers but when my back was turned she sneaked into my sock drawer were I had put them and scoffed the lot.
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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/3/2016 1:45:44 PM   
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Because my darlings people are competing to serve and worship me!

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RE: Why are people so mean to each other online? - 2/3/2016 2:22:04 PM   
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