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While the religious argument is a good one, Phydeaux, I think there's an even more salient (and potentially dangerous) point:

Every time the groundswell underneath Sanders grows, it alerts me to just how far down "Socialism Road", the "common democrat" has gone.



Michael

I think though the mitigating factor in the "socialism road" though is that so many of sanders' supporters are young, and essentially have little to no clue about the evils of it.

It's interesting how Cold war propaganda influenced your generation. You would have thought certain lessons would have sank in.
The lessons of McCarthy, Korea, the Vietnam war, Nixon, the drug wars, Halliburton, the patriot act, and the younger Bush's destabilizing the Middle East. Top this with the continued failure of trickle down theory and deregulation of finacial market which failed to help the economy during the first bush, partially collapsed the economy at the end of the Clinton presidency before finally causing the Great Recession

Minimum wage is lower now than during Reagan after inflation, and the number of people making over half a million dollars a year is tremendously higher. Increasing the income tax ceiling comes at the result of trickle down inflation pretty obviously. And people making over $200,000 aren't really struggling. Bernie has a consistent voting record that has anticipated many of our biggest problems years if not decades before hand. Republicans will just continue to sell us to companies and special interest groups just like Clinton will. Bernie has principals. Feel the Bern

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Not fuzzy at all, its like calling nutsuckers 'conservatives'.

Unpledged delegates for all intents and purposes are exactly the same as superdelegates.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


While the religious argument is a good one, Phydeaux, I think there's an even more salient (and potentially dangerous) point:

Every time the groundswell underneath Sanders grows, it alerts me to just how far down "Socialism Road", the "common democrat" has gone.



Michael

I think though the mitigating factor in the "socialism road" though is that so many of sanders' supporters are young, and essentially have little to no clue about the evils of it.

It's interesting how Cold war propaganda influenced your generation. You would have thought certain lessons would have sank in.
The lessons of McCarthy, Korea, the Vietnam war, Nixon, the drug wars, Halliburton, the patriot act, and the younger Bush's destabilizing the Middle East. Top this with the continued failure of trickle down theory and deregulation of finacial market which failed to help the economy during the first bush, partially collapsed the economy at the end of the Clinton presidency before finally causing the Great Recession

Minimum wage is lower now than during Reagan after inflation, and the number of people making over half a million dollars a year is tremendously higher. Increasing the income tax ceiling comes at the result of trickle down inflation pretty obviously. And people making over $200,000 aren't really struggling. Bernie has a consistent voting record that has anticipated many of our biggest problems years if not decades before hand. Republicans will just continue to sell us to companies and special interest groups just like Clinton will. Bernie has principals. Feel the Bern

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Remember, there is a huge difference between communism and socialism, and those hiding behind the guises of those titles often do so falsely. As for tax breaks, yeah, corporations are buying out governments. we should just do what New York State does and tax the percentage of business done within our country instead of allowing tax dodgers free reign

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Remember, there is a huge difference between communism and socialism, and those hiding behind the guises of those titles often do so falsely. As for tax breaks, yeah, corporations are buying out governments. we should just do what New York State does and tax the percentage of business done within our country instead of allowing tax dodgers free reign

Not really. The only real difference is the speed at which they fail.

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Remember, there is a huge difference between communism and socialism, and those hiding behind the guises of those titles often do so falsely. As for tax breaks, yeah, corporations are buying out governments. we should just do what New York State does and tax the percentage of business done within our country instead of allowing tax dodgers free reign

Not really. The only real difference is the speed at which they fail.

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sorry---in Marxist ideology socialism is a precursor to communism; so what you call "right wing propaganda" is rather coming straight from the horse's mouth instead.

can you try posting without being so condescendingly presumptuous maybe?

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But As for talking down, I tried being polite when I first started contributing and by the dozenth insult from you and Phydeaux and a few other individuals, curtesy kind of went down the drain. And do you think there is no hypocrisy of you insulting on a huge percentage of your posts only to complain about insults the rest of the time?

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All the millennial supporters of “Feel the Bern” Sanders probably think Bernie’s ideas are new and innovative.

Actually, his ideas are old, tired, and failed ones.

But I guess this is what we can expect from a generation fed on Leftist claptrap; as reported in Market Watch, Karl Marx is the most assigned economist in U.S. college classes

Here is a 1979 clip of economist Milton Friedman responding to Phil Donahue’s attempt to argue for “redistribution of wealth.”

Via Business Insider:


In 1979, a young Phil Donahue challenged legendary economist Milton Friedman on the principles of capitalism. And specifically he went after the concept of greed.

But Friedman eloquently articulated what capitalism was really about. And how it was behind so much good and wealth that was created in history….

“But it seems to reward not virtue as much as it does the ability to manipulate the system,” said Donahue.

“And what does reward virtue?” asked Friedman rhetorically. “Does a communist commisary reward virtue? You think a Hitler rewards virture?”

[video at the site if you lefties can tolerate it]

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Thank you both @ Phydeaux @ DesideriScuri. I didn’t know only the democrats had super delegates, nor delegates are re assigned when someone bows out of the race – I like when they bow out too a good scandalous scandal.

Democracy went the way of the dodo (my point is its not that the tasty fried morsel is extinct – but that it was driven to extinction) – we are marginally better over here (UK) – and even better in Scotland..but room for improvement. When I talk about elections over here I usually refer to them much as @domsomeone did, clown party number 1, 2, 3, and 4..sure there are a few others.

But they publicize the debates over here on the BBC website – or the more bizarre bits and I I find some of their words a carnival of oddities often aimed at appeasing the baying blood thristy audience/public; who were whipped up to their state of being by those behind the podiums – trump in particular – he makes me think of a film called local hero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Hero (it is a beautiful film i think it was nominated for an Oscar) incidentally Trump did try and get wind farms banned at some location for his property developments in our backward lands. Was that even publish over the pond? Hasn’t he also been declared bankrupt n(corporate) on 4 occasions. I am not anti trump I merely think him dangerous mind that belongs to a bygone era (that should never have existed in the first place) – a Counter argument can be made at least you know where you stand with him and the more silent/cunning/intelligent ones are the worse and have formed a pact with satan

They will unleash the lions at some point? It’s the only reason I really watch them :D

Who wishes to know about UK Democracy? I can do it in two lines observe:

UK general election results
CON 36.9
LAB 30.4
UKIP 12.6
LD 7.9
SNP 4.7 (now this one is also important for two reasons 1. the Scottish nationalist party only stand in Scotland for a g general election (not to be confused with local elections) and we have 1/12th the population...now the local election have a form of poroprtional representation....however in the general election the SNP hold 56 of the 59 Scottish seats for the UL parliament - so not really democratic but twere fine result :) - but they only got 50% of the Scottish people votes - but we have almost all scottish seats
GRN 3.8

Now if I factor in only 66% of an electorate turn out general (uk) election.

Then the conservative party governs the UK, with a complete house of parliament-seat majority, yet only 25% of the eligible electorate voted for the conservatives ( a mad alien lizard race up to no good)..democracy it is not and I pointed out the SNP flaw for balance...

two lines trust me i had to add in few notes so some of you understand why we have no real democracy and that before we get into the usa gathers every bit of electronic data ever, Uk to methinks

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I tried being polite when I first started contributing and by the dozenth insult from you and Phydeaux and a few other individuals, curtesy kind of went down the drain. And do you think there is no hypocrisy of you insulting on a huge percentage of your posts only to complain about insults the rest of the time?

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Video Flashback: Economist Milton Friedman Schools Lib On Capitalism vs. Socialism

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All the millennial supporters of “Feel the Bern” Sanders probably think Bernie’s ideas are new and innovative.

Actually, his ideas are old, tired, and failed ones.

But I guess this is what we can expect from a generation fed on Leftist claptrap; as reported in Market Watch, Karl Marx is the most assigned economist in U.S. college classes

Here is a 1979 clip of economist Milton Friedman responding to Phil Donahue’s attempt to argue for “redistribution of wealth.”

Via Business Insider:


In 1979, a young Phil Donahue challenged legendary economist Milton Friedman on the principles of capitalism. And specifically he went after the concept of greed.

But Friedman eloquently articulated what capitalism was really about. And how it was behind so much good and wealth that was created in history….

“But it seems to reward not virtue as much as it does the ability to manipulate the system,” said Donahue.

“And what does reward virtue?” asked Friedman rhetorically. “Does a communist commisary reward virtue? You think a Hitler rewards virture?”

[video at the site if you lefties can tolerate it]

http://tammybruce.com/2016/02/video-flashback-legendary-economist-milton-friedman-schools-liberal-on-capitalism-vs-socialism.html

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I tried being polite when I first started contributing and by the dozenth insult from you and Phydeaux and a few other individuals, curtesy kind of went down the drain. And do you think there is no hypocrisy of you insulting on a huge percentage of your posts only to complain about insults the rest of the time?

DominantWrestler - your memory is a bit .. faulty.

25 Violations of Law,
Post 47 you "nutsuckers suck nuts"
Post 57 you denigrated my "hill billy blog links" which lead me, in conjunction with your overalls to retort and call you hillbilly.
Post 60 you called me laughably uneducated;
you assumed I called you hillbilly because I thought you were stupid;
and most especially stupider than you
Post 61 I was too lazy to research your accusations.
Post 63, you said I was acting a fool, and suggested I be a patent clerk..
Post 75 I was xenophobic
Post 92 you said I was lying
Post 97 you accused me of lying again.

And it was post 99 after 8 personal attacks documented here, and a variety of other insults I made my first personal attack against you calling you a liar. Which, frankly, I think was correct because the evidence I provided about the democrats having a supermajority was clear, authoritative & unequivocal; and you continued to maintain they had not, and that I was a liar.

In representing that I had lied - you had, in fact, lied yourself.

I suggest you review that thread and your claims of your conduct. Personally, I would prefer retaining civil debate with you (and with everyone), and if you wish to return to that between us - I'm all in favor. Hell, we could have a voluntary code of conduct and put it in our taglines....