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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

i will answer one question for you.
Considering how you responded on one thread I posted on, your complaints are ridiculous.
I'm not a senior person here, I don't care if you think I'm sane or not, might I suggest you read your own article postings yourself. Then again, then again...
Then once again. Hmmm?

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ORIGINAL: Antipervertgroup
• All such problems have a cause and effect. I am keen to discover how long this particular problem has been manifest on these message boards?
It started around late November when a couple of people got themselves moderated.
Since then, they have created many dozens of sock accounts to reign havoc on the boards.
They usually post toxic comments, attack other posters, or post very long cut'n'paste sections from the net that have no relevance to the topic, or it's just drivel with no meaning at all.

What occurred on the boards to start the sock troll infestation?
See above.

• Who are the personalities involved in this ongoing exchange of insults?
Apparently, one of them is a known Troll from previous times.
At least one other is relatively recent with regards to sock accounts.

• Why there was some apparent change of Moderators during relatively recent times?
You'd have to ask a Mod to get that answer and even then I don't know if you'd get an unbiased one.
There was a war going on behind the scenes and us mere mortals will never know what really happened.

• Why is the problem allowed to persist unchecked?
Quite simply, not enough staff.

• Has there been any attempt at mediation between the factions involved?
That would be between the Moderator and the offending party involved.
Nobody else would be privvy to such information as it would be in breach of ToS to publish it here.

• Sock trolls exist on all message boards and chat rooms but here they are relentless?
Blame that on those creating dozens of sock accounts.

• Do the moderators have any conflict of loyalties?
Probably. But it is a thankless job.
But like any position where you need to maintain neutrality, there will always be some point of conflict between applying the rules against someone you know.

• Do moderators interchange between their moderator role and their usual aviator?
Yes, they do. But they are entirely separate accounts.
The whole point is to keep the identity of the Moderator secret from their other postings.

• What is the majority consensus rather than the minority consensus of the disruption?
You'd have to ask others. lol.
Personally, I'd like to see the site closed for a few days and every sock account/post removed and banned.

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ORIGINAL: jonahsjinks

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

i will answer one question for you.
Considering how you responded on one thread I posted on, your complaints are ridiculous.
I'm not a senior person here, I don't care if you think I'm sane or not, might I suggest you read your own article postings yourself. Then again, then again...
Then once again. Hmmm?

You're message is bonkers so I think you are on Yonkers! Kindly produce proof of this obvious miracle please? I am also not complaining woman I am simply asking pertinent questions. Please learn to read English because any fool can see they are questions above that have been bullet pointed and not complaints of any kind.

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ORIGINAL: jonahsjinks

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

i will answer one question for you.
Considering how you responded on one thread I posted on, your complaints are ridiculous.
I'm not a senior person here, I don't care if you think I'm sane or not, might I suggest you read your own article postings yourself. Then again, then again...
Then once again. Hmmm?

You're message is bonkers so I think you are on Yonkers! Kindly produce proof of this obvious miracle please? I am also not complaining woman I am simply asking pertinent questions. Please learn to read English because any fool can see they are questions above that have been bullet pointed and not complaints of any kind.

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ORIGINAL: jonahsjinks

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ORIGINAL: jonahsjinks

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

i will answer one question for you.
Considering how you responded on one thread I posted on, your complaints are ridiculous.
I'm not a senior person here, I don't care if you think I'm sane or not, might I suggest you read your own article postings yourself. Then again, then again...
Then once again. Hmmm?

You're message is bonkers so I think you are on Yonkers! Kindly produce proof of this obvious miracle please? I am also not complaining woman I am simply asking pertinent questions. Please learn to read English because any fool can see they are questions above that have been bullet pointed and not complaints of any kind.

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ORIGINAL: Antipervertgroup
• All such problems have a cause and effect. I am keen to discover how long this particular problem has been manifest on these message boards?
It started around late November when a couple of people got themselves moderated.
Since then, they have created many dozens of sock accounts to rein havoc on the boards.
They usually post toxic comments, attack other posters, or post very long cut'n'paste sections from the net that have no relevance to the topic, or it's just drivel with no meaning at all.
I find the above answer to be farcical in the extreme. Because you are accusing me of being a sock and that is absolutely ludicrous.

What occurred on the boards to start the sock troll infestation?
See above. from my perspective. I know nothing of any other.

• Who are the personalities involved in this ongoing exchange of insults?
Apparently, one of them is a known Troll from previous times.
At least one other is relatively recent with regards to sock accounts.
Again utter nonsense from my perspective. I know nothing of any other.

• Why there was some apparent change of Moderators during relatively recent times?
You'd have to ask a Mod to get that answer and even then I don't know if you'd get an unbiased one.
There was a war going on behind the scenes and us mere mortals will never know what really happened. I tried but have not received any response as of yet from the Mod Team!

• Why is the problem allowed to persist unchecked?
Quite simply, not enough staff.
Being just another member here like me, albeit a lon standing one, How would you know the staffing levels and of any shortages?

• Has there been any attempt at mediation between the factions involved?
That would be between the Moderator and the offending party involved.
Nobody else would be privy to such information as it would be in breach of ToS to publish it here.
What about the parties concerned can’t they resolve their various difficulties?

• Sock trolls exist on all message boards and chat rooms but here they are relentless?
Blame that on those creating dozens of sock accounts.
Cause and effect. Who caused the sock to become and remain a sock? What tipped them over the edge?

• Do the moderators have any conflict of loyalties?
Probably. But it is a thankless job.
But like any position where you need to maintain neutrality, there will always be some point of conflict between applying the rules against someone you know.
So a friend in high places lets folk get away with bullying and harassment courtesy of a Moderator turning a blind eye?

• Do moderators interchange between their moderator role and their usual aviator?
Yes, they do. But they are entirely separate accounts.
The whole point is to keep the identity of the Moderator secret from their other postings.
So in effect a Moderator can deliberately set out to join their buddies in the targeted bullying and harrassement of innocent victims?

• What is the majority consensus rather than the minority consensus of the disruption?
You'd have to ask others. lol.
Personally, I'd like to see the site closed for a few days and every sock account/post removed and banned.
Well that is one sensible solution but would not the website business loose revenue? I heard this site often closes down for days without warning anyway? That said Mister and Missess Sock can so easily reenter and create many more new socks an so it is not a permanant solution.

Thank you for your time.

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ORIGINAL: peppermint

• All such problems have a cause and effect. I am keen to discover how long this particular problem has been manifest on these message boards?

I have no idea. If you want to know then you go back through old posts and find the beginning.
• What occurred on the boards to start the sock troll infestation?

I have no idea.
• Who are the personalities involved in this ongoing exchange of insults?

I have no idea.
• Why there was some apparent change of Moderators during relatively recent times?

I have no idea.
• Why is the problem allowed to persist unchecked?

I have no idea.
• Has there been any attempt at mediation between the factions involved?

I have no idea
• Sock trolls exist on all message boards and chat rooms but here they are relentless?



That is your opinion.
• Do the moderators have any conflict of loyalties?

I have no idea.
• Do moderators interchange between their moderator role and their usual aviator?

I have no idea.
• What is the majority consensus rather than the minority consensus of the disruption?

I am one person. To discover what the majority thinks then you need to ask each and every person here, minus the socks.

You joined here just 3 days ago yet you appear to have a lot of information as to what has happened on these boards in the past. Why would a newbie even give a shit? Might I guess that you are a sock puppet of someone who wishes to cause trouble?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Dude, I'm beginning to think you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you on the head. Thanks for using your same bullshit lines so you are easily detected. However, in the interest of some truth hitting the boards, I'll be happy to help.

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ORIGINAL: Antipervertgroup
Hello to all the sane people on these message boards. I have only joined to engage in dialogue and meet likeminded souls. I do not have any profile here. Already I can see that a substantial problem is ongoing regarding sock trolls. I was sent a private message by a stranger upon entering the boards as I was formulating this message. I was told watch out for the resident bullies and flamers and if I wrote anything they disagreed with that they would report me in seconds. I was also informed that some people had used their positions to commit fraud and to harass people and even try to get control of this website. That information may be true or false I do not know.

No, you weren't. While you've been the subject of some emails of some forum regulars when people were curious about your identity, nobody wrote one of your hundreds of sock profiles to "warn" you about anything unless you staged an email to yourself from one of your other sock puppets. Let me just use your bullet points so actual new members know what to avoid when running into you.

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• All such problems have a cause and effect. I am keen to discover how long this particular problem has been manifest on these message boards?

No. This is a childish way to live life. "Oh, people were mean to me because they found out about the lies and tall tales." That's not a justification for the juvenile behavior. Acting out because people don't like you is just more of why people don't like you.

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• What occurred on the boards to start the sock troll infestation?

That one's easy. People didn't want to put up with your bullshit, you got moderated, and started creating sock profiles to continue to post on the forums. Unlike those of us who act like adults when we get moderated and ride our time out, you decided that you didn't want to have to do that after breaking the forums rules.

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• Who are the personalities involved in this ongoing exchange of insults?

I'll make the same offer here as I have on forum threads. Anybody who is an established forum member who wants the original screen name of the sock puppet creator just needs to write to me and I'll give it to you. I'll also give the screen name that you contacted me under on Fet. A few reads from the old threads will show just how crazy the posts used to be.

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• Why there was some apparent change of Moderators during relatively recent times?

Changes in Moderators didn't have anything to do with this. Not all Moderators stay forever because there is a serious time investment and not everybody can do that for more than a short term basis. If a former Moderator wants to say why they gave it up, that's on them.

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• Why is the problem allowed to persist unchecked?

Considering some of the threads you've added comments regarding underage activities, slurs on race and/or sexual orientation, and threats of trying to close the site, I'm thinking they are leaving a lot of it up in the event law enforcement does come across it. While it does detract from the conversations here, there's no better way for it to remain apparent to leave the crap up. I don't personally like it but it's probably the smartest decision for the site.

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• Has there been any attempt at mediation between the factions involved?

I hope not because the site shouldn't be trying to arbitrate the demands of a twisted f^ck who thinks he runs the joint. I can only speak for myself, but if Admin sent me a gold mail saying that I had to do anymore than abide by ToS when I sincerely believe that delusional, abusive people shouldn't be in our BDSM communities and they wanted me to display anything but that attitude, I hope they have a comfy chair and a glass of their favorite drink because I'm sure what I'd say in reply would be very entertaining.

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• Sock trolls exist on all message boards and chat rooms but here they are relentless?

That's because the sock puppet creator is mentally unbalanced (as seen by his threads YEARS ago) and honestly has nothing in his life of any value. Nobody with any valued real life relationships would have time to do all of this. Makes me think he's also a compulsive liar in real life as well and that's why he has no friends and most people in the physical world want nothing to do with him, either.

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• Do the moderators have any conflict of loyalties?

None that I'm aware of. I know why certain past Moderators did and that information has been available (privately) via emails on Fet.

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• Do moderators interchange between their moderator role and their usual aviator?

All members of the moderation team have ALWAYS been permitted to keep their regular accounts to exchange emails and keep their non-mod contacts viable. Why shouldn't they? Being a Mod doesn't mean they aren't still allowed to communicate like any other member. They still have friends, attend events, (if they so choose) and see people socially. The good Mods don't discuss anything that falls in Admin territory with regular members when they socialize with them. Doing so is a breach of the confidentiality policy of the site. Anybody can read that policy. It doesn't take a genius to understand it.

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• What is the majority consensus rather than the minority consensus of the disruption?

Everybody I've talked to thinks the sock puppet creator is just a little, delusional man. I couldn't tell you what the minority think because on this issue, I'm pretty sure the disdain is the majority opinion. I kind of wish they'd do with him what Alpha did once upon a time and take it down long term.

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I wish to avoid any form of trouble on these message boards and my questions are reasonable one’s I believe.
Thank you for taking the trouble too read my message and mature, responsible, informed and honest answers would be most welcome.
Below are some useful links that could assist members who are perpetrators or victims. Many sock trolls are really harmless and annoying and do not threaten anyone. Some can even be comical and offer a light relief in terms of laughter at what they write and so are good entertainment and moral boosters. A tiny minority pose a potential criminal risk if the activities cause real harm and distress that affects mental health. Many people are intellectually incapable of the realization of a mere online nuisance that does not harm them and a truely vindictive and malevolent person that sets out to cause harm to individuals.

http://cyberbullying.org/report/
http://anti-troll.org/
http://europe.newsweek.com/internet-and-golden-age-bully-271800

I highly disbelieve this. What you really want is the opportunity to harass people and due to circumstances beyond control, that's exactly what's happening. According to another thread that I saw, new members aren't getting a nice welcome here and that comes down to nothing but these bullshit antics. The song and dance about how the sock puppets aren't out to hurt anybody is just as much baloney as all of the other lies you've told. Posts with sexual orientation slurs are hurtful. The racists comments that have been made are hurtful. The disgusting comments about a variety of things are hurtful.

All of this business shows is that the person creating hundreds of sock puppets is an unethical, deceitful, individual who is a classic example of what people interested in BDSM should avoid.

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ORIGINAL: Antipervertgroup

.We shall rest when the website criminals leave.

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ORIGINAL: Cinnamongirl67

i will answer one question for you.
Considering how you responded on one thread I posted on, your complaints are ridiculous.
I'm not a senior person here, I don't care if you think I'm sane or not, might I suggest you read your own article postings yourself. Then again, then again...
Then once again. Hmmm?