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Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/7/2016 11:16:14 AM   
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This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/
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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/7/2016 11:26:45 AM   
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Well we knew the Fed would go along as they are after all..bankers.

Secondly, I have to wonder why Ally didn't go to court to at least try for a summary judgment on the basis that the CRA does not list specific criteria for evaluating the performance of financial institutions. Rather, it directs that the evaluation process should accommodate the situation and context of each individual institution and in addition to the so-called discrimination being only shown via statistical analysis.

But in the end, yes, corrupt as hell and sounds like the dems are finally learning the game. I have never argued that any politician does not have his price but that historically at least since Nixon, the repubs have been easier to buy or more readily pander.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/7/2016 1:42:51 PM   
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Well we knew the Fed would go along as they are after all..bankers.

Secondly, I have to wonder why Ally didn't go to court to at least try for a summary judgment on the basis that the CRA does not list specific criteria for evaluating the performance of financial institutions. Rather, it directs that the evaluation process should accommodate the situation and context of each individual institution and in addition to the so-called discrimination being only shown via statistical analysis.

But in the end, yes, corrupt as hell and sounds like the dems are finally learning the game. I have never argued that any politician does not have his price but that historically at least since Nixon, the repubs have been easier to buy or more readily pander.


You're late to the game - this is nothing new for the dems. This has been happening for more than a dozen years. As for why..

The costs of litigation in this country are too damn high - but more to the point, the bank was under fear that win or lose their lending license would be revoked.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/7/2016 2:38:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/


Reading this after antony suttons work I am beginning to have increasing respect for the product the hoover institute is turning out.



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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/7/2016 3:00:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well we knew the Fed would go along as they are after all..bankers.

Secondly, I have to wonder why Ally didn't go to court to at least try for a summary judgment on the basis that the CRA does not list specific criteria for evaluating the performance of financial institutions. Rather, it directs that the evaluation process should accommodate the situation and context of each individual institution and in addition to the so-called discrimination being only shown via statistical analysis.

But in the end, yes, corrupt as hell and sounds like the dems are finally learning the game. I have never argued that any politician does not have his price but that historically at least since Nixon, the repubs have been easier to buy or more readily pander.


You're late to the game - this is nothing new for the dems. This has been happening for more than a dozen years. As for why..

The costs of litigation in this country are too damn high - but more to the point, the bank was under fear that win or lose their lending license would be revoked.

Well the way I read it, Ally was going to be denied holding company status, that's all. Also, the way I read the CRA, that's the only 'enforcement' action that can be taken. As I've written, a close friend and owner of a mortgage co., has never ever made a single CRA loan. Now he also has never sought banking status etc. but on its own, violation of the CRA intent has been circumvented by many lenders/bankers. So yes, that corruption has been around for a long time and is a very, very bipartisan affair.

I also mean the dems are doing this on the cheap, repubs get paid (contributions) for often looking the other way, i.e. TARP for example. Example, we had 13 banks all presumably too big too fail and for years dealt shit paper. After TARP, we have 6 banks too 'bigger' to fail. Then they showered money on the repubs. Thank you, thank you very much.

All part of the negatives for Hillary as she too...will play ball. Why ? Because we know the repubs will, going in. Repubs in the bankers pocket, is never a question.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/7/2016 3:28:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well we knew the Fed would go along as they are after all..bankers.

Secondly, I have to wonder why Ally didn't go to court to at least try for a summary judgment on the basis that the CRA does not list specific criteria for evaluating the performance of financial institutions. Rather, it directs that the evaluation process should accommodate the situation and context of each individual institution and in addition to the so-called discrimination being only shown via statistical analysis.

But in the end, yes, corrupt as hell and sounds like the dems are finally learning the game. I have never argued that any politician does not have his price but that historically at least since Nixon, the repubs have been easier to buy or more readily pander.


You're late to the game - this is nothing new for the dems. This has been happening for more than a dozen years. As for why..

The costs of litigation in this country are too damn high - but more to the point, the bank was under fear that win or lose their lending license would be revoked.

Well the way I read it, Ally was going to be denied holding company status, that's all. Also, the way I read the CRA, that's the only 'enforcement' action that can be taken. As I've written, a close friend and owner of a mortgage co., has never ever made a single CRA loan. Now he also has never sought banking status etc. but on its own, violation of the CRA intent has been circumvented by many lenders/bankers. So yes, that corruption has been around for a long time and is a very, very bipartisan affair.

I also mean the dems are doing this on the cheap, repubs get paid (contributions) for often looking the other way, i.e. TARP for example. Example, we had 13 banks all presumably too big too fail and for years dealt shit paper. After TARP, we have 6 banks too 'bigger' to fail. Then they showered money on the repubs. Thank you, thank you very much.

All part of the negatives for Hillary as she too...will play ball. Why ? Because we know the repubs will, going in. Repubs in the bankers pocket, is never a question.



I agree with much of what you say; and I've posted my great opposition to Dodd Frank, Sarbane-Oxely, repeal of glass steagal, etc.
While it is true that historically Wallstreet benefitted republicans that switched around 2007.
Three of the top 5 and 7 of the top 10 recipients of banking largesse were Democrat, at the time of Obama election. Obama packed his advisors with goldman sachs adivsors, and banking ceos. Recall Jon Corzine, the free loans given to chris Dodd, Barney Frank etc.

This is the reason Sanders is going after Hillary - she is by far the largest recipient of Wall Street largess, raising between PAC/Non PAC over 34 million to date.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/8/2016 10:36:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/


Nah, cockgargling should not be required reading, although nutsuckers read it as a requirement of their felch.

the real news:

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/blog/ally-settlement-administrator-will-contact-eligible-borrowers-soon/

Not statistical, they actually had real people doing real things that were not legal.


But thats some real good felch you got there.


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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/8/2016 3:12:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/


Nah, cockgargling should not be required reading, although nutsuckers read it as a requirement of their felch.

the real news:

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/blog/ally-settlement-administrator-will-contact-eligible-borrowers-soon/

Not statistical, they actually had real people doing real things that were not legal.


But thats some real good felch you got there.



im sorry---note the BLOG part of your website above?

isn't it you who continually harps about blogs---what was it again, "nutsucker slobberblogs?" "it's from a blog---it didnt happen/cant be true/isn't real"

or do I have you confused with some other comrade?

next time you want to rail on someone else's post who used a blog for support or information, maybe you can remember this and out of a sense of fairness, be more accepting?

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/9/2016 7:28:04 AM   
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NO, it is not, my in the closet and communist friend.

Nutsucker slobber blogs are not blogs. They are nutsucker slobber blogs. <<<<note the use of three words, when if one was only able to semi-comprehend basic concepts, such as you, would only take a simpletonian view, and say!!! LOOK!!! EVERYTHING IS THE SAME!!!


Blogs are often useful, however nutsucker slobber blogs are just for the feebleminded minneapolis airport bathroom nutsuckers to masturbate over, and spew stupid asswipe about, and attach their lips to, and felch.

You really have to pay attention, and your intellect does not allow you for the most part to understand 3rd grade English, don't impute, impugn, or intuit others writings, you have it wrong at the simple, and you are too fucking imbecilic to understand advanced language.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/11/2016 6:48:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/


Nah, cockgargling should not be required reading, although nutsuckers read it as a requirement of their felch.

the real news:

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/blog/ally-settlement-administrator-will-contact-eligible-borrowers-soon/

Not statistical, they actually had real people doing real things that were not legal.


But thats some real good felch you got there.



im sorry---note the BLOG part of your website above?

isn't it you who continually harps about blogs---what was it again, "nutsucker slobberblogs?" "it's from a blog---it didnt happen/cant be true/isn't real"

or do I have you confused with some other comrade?

next time you want to rail on someone else's post who used a blog for support or information, maybe you can remember this and out of a sense of fairness, be more accepting?


consumerfinance.gov is not a blog, it is a governmental organization. The 'settlement' (something the great capitalist proletariat don't get to do) wouldn't even be a fact if it wasn't govt.

What part of "We found that Ally had a policy of giving dealers the discretion to increase or “mark up” consumers’ interest rates, and paying dealers for those markups. We found that between April 2011 and December 2013, Ally’s markup policy resulted in African-American, Hispanic, Asian and Pacific Islander borrowers paying more for auto loans than similarly situated non-Hispanic white borrowers." tells you otherwise ?

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/11/2016 7:05:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/


Nah, cockgargling should not be required reading, although nutsuckers read it as a requirement of their felch.

the real news:

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/blog/ally-settlement-administrator-will-contact-eligible-borrowers-soon/

Not statistical, they actually had real people doing real things that were not legal.


But thats some real good felch you got there.



im sorry---note the BLOG part of your website above?

isn't it you who continually harps about blogs---what was it again, "nutsucker slobberblogs?" "it's from a blog---it didnt happen/cant be true/isn't real"

or do I have you confused with some other comrade?

next time you want to rail on someone else's post who used a blog for support or information, maybe you can remember this and out of a sense of fairness, be more accepting?


consumerfinance.gov is not a blog, it is a governmental organization. The 'settlement' (something the great capitalist proletariat don't get to do) wouldn't even be a fact if it wasn't govt.

What part of "We found that Ally had a policy of giving dealers the discretion to increase or “mark up” consumers’ interest rates, and paying dealers for those markups. We found that between April 2011 and December 2013, Ally’s markup policy resulted in African-American, Hispanic, Asian and Pacific Islander borrowers paying more for auto loans than similarly situated non-Hispanic white borrowers." tells you otherwise ?



A few things are interesting here.

The government had inside information due to its partial ownership of the company, due to TARP.
The shakedown occured just before re-licensing.
At the time of the settlement, the government did not have a lead plaintiff around whom to form a class action.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/11/2016 7:09:28 AM   
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LOL. Nutsucker slobber blogging at its finest.

Facts are stupid things. Ronald Reagan - iconic nutsucker.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/11/2016 7:28:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/


Nah, cockgargling should not be required reading, although nutsuckers read it as a requirement of their felch.

the real news:

http://www.consumerfinance.gov/blog/ally-settlement-administrator-will-contact-eligible-borrowers-soon/

Not statistical, they actually had real people doing real things that were not legal.


But thats some real good felch you got there.



im sorry---note the BLOG part of your website above?

isn't it you who continually harps about blogs---what was it again, "nutsucker slobberblogs?" "it's from a blog---it didnt happen/cant be true/isn't real"

or do I have you confused with some other comrade?

next time you want to rail on someone else's post who used a blog for support or information, maybe you can remember this and out of a sense of fairness, be more accepting?


consumerfinance.gov is not a blog, it is a governmental organization. The 'settlement' (something the great capitalist proletariat don't get to do) wouldn't even be a fact if it wasn't govt.

What part of "We found that Ally had a policy of giving dealers the discretion to increase or “mark up” consumers’ interest rates, and paying dealers for those markups. We found that between April 2011 and December 2013, Ally’s markup policy resulted in African-American, Hispanic, Asian and Pacific Islander borrowers paying more for auto loans than similarly situated non-Hispanic white borrowers." tells you otherwise ?



A few things are interesting here.

The government had inside information due to its partial ownership of the company, due to TARP.
The shakedown occured just before re-licensing.
At the time of the settlement, the government did not have a lead plaintiff around whom to form a class action.

I am wondering if one is needed for the type of settlement they got. But if there was evidence according to race, I am sure it's not going to be hard to find any victims.

What's really disappointing is that here the govt. had inside info. and didn't nip all of this in the bud. If they had, then holding co. status would likely have been very easy.

Plus as far as Ally (former GMAC) applications, there's this, so now I am confused.

In addition to TARP assistance, during the financial crisis in 2008, GMAC converted from an industrial loan company into a bank holding company, an expedited conversion that was permitted by the Federal Reserve (Fed) due to prevailing emergency conditions in the financial markets. This change increased access to government assistance, including Fed lending facilities and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) guarantees, and also increased regulatory oversight of the company. HERE

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/11/2016 4:38:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/


From the article: "The high-level memo, sent by top CFPB civil-rights prosecutors to the bureau’s director and revealed by a House committee"

Revealed by a House committee? Must be a public document. Or has the Republican House Committee marked it "secret"? A link to the document, please.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/11/2016 7:30:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


This article shows the government using the Community Reinvestment Act to shake down a bank when its license was due to be renewed.
Should be required reading for everyone.

http://nypost.com/2016/02/07/obama-bullied-bank-to-pay-racial-settlement-without-proof-report/


From the article: "The high-level memo, sent by top CFPB civil-rights prosecutors to the bureau’s director and revealed by a House committee"

Revealed by a House committee? Must be a public document. Or has the Republican House Committee marked it "secret"? A link to the document, please.


Google is your friend.

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RE: Disparate impact - govt at its worst - 2/11/2016 9:10:51 PM   
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A link to the document, please.

I noticed there was no such link in the original article, which got my suspicions up.

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