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CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalistic I... - 2/11/2016 9:12:53 AM   
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Federal Court Affirms That Deceptively Edited Anti-Choice Videos Are Fraudulent And Not Journalism
CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalistic Integrity" But Instead Are "Misleadingly Edited Videos And Unfounded Assertions"


On February 5, a federal judge issued a preliminary injunction against the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) barring founder David Daleiden and alleged co-conspirators from releasing any of the deceptively edited footage they obtained under false pretenses during National Abortion Federation (NAF) events. As explained by the judge, CMP's fraudulent videos were not journalism and the value of their release did not outweigh the very real anti-choice violence they could incite.

Following Daleiden's January 25 indictment by a Houston grand jury, right-wing media have rushed to defend CMP's smear campaign against NAF and Planned Parenthood by arguing the deceptively edited videos show evidence of wrongdoing and constitute an act of journalism protected by the First Amendment.

In awarding NAF a primary injunction, federal judge William H. Orrick thoroughly refuted these claims.

Joining a chorus of investigations clearing Planned Parenthood of wrongdoing, Judge Orrick wrote that after a complete review "of the records or transcripts in full and in context, I find no NAF attendees admitted to engaging in, agreeing to engage in, or expressed interest in engaging in potentially illegal sale of fetal tissue for profit."

Judge Orrick also refuted the unconvincing argument that Daleiden is an investigative journalist. Judge Orrick wrote that CMP did not "-- as Daleiden repeatedly asserts -- use widely accepted investigatory journalism techniques" and that they had "no evidence to support that assertion and no cases on point." Instead, Judge Orrick argued that videos resulting from CMP's work "thus far have not been pieces of journalistic integrity, but misleadingly edited videos and unfounded assertions...of criminal misconduct."

Judge Orrick also directly referenced the uptick in anti-choice violence and harassment since the release of the videos, noting "t is not speculative to expect that harassment, threats, and violent acts will continue to rise if defendants were to release NAF materials

link to full 42 page Order


From page 11
Ive removed docket numbers and evidence numbers simply because its confusing, but thats all I have removed.
Defendants are CMP and Plaintiffs are NAF



Defendants argue that they captured NAF attendees agreeing to explore, or at least expressing interest in exploring, being compensated for the sale of fetal tissue at a profit, which defendants contend is illegal under state and federal laws. Defendants’ Opposition to Motion for Preliminary Injunction
However, they tend to misstate the conversations that occurred or omit the context of those statements. For example, defendants rely on a conversation with a clinic owner where Daleiden suggests BioMax could pay $60 per sample instead of $50 per sample. The clinic owner doesn’t respond to that suggestion, or give any indication about the actual costs to the clinic of facilitating outside companies to come in and collect fetal tissue.

Instead, the clinic owner responds that providing tissue to outside companies “is a nice way to get extra income in a very difficult time, and you know patients like it.” Defendants point to another conversation where a provider asks what the “reimbursement rate” is for the clinic, and was told “it varies” by Tennenbaum.

Then, in response to Tennenbaum’s suggestion about whether she’d “be open to maybe being a little creative in the procedure,” the provider responds that she was not sure and would have to discuss it and run it by the doctors.
Tennenbaum explains that specimens “go for” anywhere from “500 up to 2,000” and so “you can see how profitable” it would be for clinics, to which the provider says “Yeah, absolutely” and a different provider says “that would be great” in response to comments about having further discussions.

Another provider responded to defendants’ suggestion of financial incentives by indicating that the clinic would be “very happy about it,” but admitted others would have to approve it and it wasn’t up to her.

Defendants point to a conversation with a provider who discusses the “fine line” between an illegal partial birth abortion and the types of abortion that they perform, and the techniques that they employ to ensure that they do not cross that line.

That conversation, however, does not indicate that any illegal activity was occurring. Similarly, defendants contend that a provider stated that he ordinarily minimizes dilation, since that is what is safest for the women, but that if he had a reason to dilate more (such as tissue procurement), he might perform abortions differently.

But that is not what the provider said. After acknowledging tissue donation was not allowed in his state, he stated that “I could mop up my technique if you wanted something more intact. But right now my only concern is the safety of the woman” and there was no reason to further dilate a woman.

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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 9:38:29 AM   
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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 9:42:35 AM   
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oh there is so much more, im only 2/3 thru it and have a bunch more:)



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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 11:01:01 AM   
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Good post. Not the final word, but at least you can now say, according to one judge its misleadingly edited.


Of course, this was the same judge that blocked the original release of the videos.

Father was a liberal judge under Kennedy,
He raised 200,000+ for barack Obama, and as part of the quid pro quo was appointed by obama.

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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 11:37:39 AM   
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one judge...and 11 states, still dont find anything that PP did wrong...
OR NAF for that matter
only that CMP are liars

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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 11:58:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Good post. Not the final word, but at least you can now say, according to one judge its misleadingly edited.


Of course, this was the same judge that blocked the original release of the videos.

Father was a liberal judge under Kennedy,
He raised 200,000+ for barack Obama, and as part of the quid pro quo was appointed by obama.



Of course we have Thomas, Alito and Scalia at nutsucker fundraisers, The Federalist 'fundraiser' notably, the ones (and the only ones) who have a nutsucker link to supposed fundraising. But they do it violation of their code of ethics, but I bet you have a larger point, also devoid of actual fact. Quid pro quo?

Any credible citation on his fundraising from real sources?



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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 1:05:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Good post. Not the final word, but at least you can now say, according to one judge its misleadingly edited.


Of course, this was the same judge that blocked the original release of the videos.

Father was a liberal judge under Kennedy,
He raised 200,000+ for barack Obama, and as part of the quid pro quo was appointed by obama.


whats more to that point---the vote for first confirmation hearing was blocked by republicans as he was considered a "democratic operative."

when the vote did take place (why it happened I don't know), only three republicans voted yes.

the guy's wife is pro-abortion right up until the time of birth.

if you want to read the injunction...

http://5aa1b2xfmfh2e2mk03kk8rsx.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/Order.pdf

the cmp has a short statement on their website:

quote:

Similar to other corporate outlaws, Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Federation continue to use oppressive litigation to suppress the evidence of their corrupt baby-parts-for-profit scheme. We will appeal this ruling and seek all legal remedies to vindicate our free speech rights, and those of all Americans, against Planned Parenthood and NAF’s extremist attacks on the First Amendment.


more to follow in response and commentary over the coming days/weeks/months im sure.


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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 1:57:46 PM   
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LOL, Hardhitting nutsucker journalism there boy.

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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:04:23 PM   
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man doesnt read the OP he deserves everything he gets....


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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:17:17 PM   
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quote:

Defendants cite a handful of similar discussions – where “profit” “sale” or “top dollar” are terms used by Daleiden or Tennenbaum and then providers at some point following that lead in the conversation express general interest in exploring receiving payment for tissue – but those conversations do not show that any clinic is making a profit off of tissue donations or that the providers are agreeing to a profit-making arrangement.13 Defendants are correct that one provider indicates it received $6,000 a quarter from a bioprocurement lab, but there is no discussion showing that amount is profit (in excess of the costs of having third-party technicians on site and providing access and storage for their work).

An employee of a bioprocurement lab also agrees in response to statements from Tennenbaum that the clinics know it is “financially profitable” for them to work with bioprocurement labs and that arrangement helps the clinics “significantly.”


there is the rub again---"we don't sell parts for profit, we just cover our costs."

and so here is the judge's response:

quote:

Having reviewed the records or transcripts in full and in context, I find that no NAF attendee admitted to engaging in, agreed to engage in, or expressed interest in engaging in potentially illegal sale of fetal tissue for profit [emphasis mine].


so again, necessitating the need/desire for further investigation.

and also---people are disgusted by the process period regardless of "profit."

but to be fair---the injunction contains some abortion providers saying things contrary to the tenor of the videos, such as:

quote:

“We just really want the affiliates to be compensated in a way that is proportionate to the amount of work that’s required on their end to do it. In other words, we don’t see it as a money making opportunity. That’s not what it should be about.”)


there's a section around p18 where the judge chronicles threats and violence against the people and places. to say that's unfortunate is an understatement.

on to something else...

quote:

Moreover, a report submitted by NAF of an analysis of many of the “highlight” and “full” videos released by CMP concluded that the “curated” or highlight Project videos were “misleading” and suggests that the “full” videos defendants released along with their “highlights” were also edited. Pl. Ex. 77. Defendants do not counter this evidence, other than pointing to Daleiden’s assertion that the highlight videos were accompanied by the release of the “full” recordings.


if that is true, that's somewhat damning.

quote:

A. Coverage of Third Party Law Enforcement Entities and Governmental Officials
Defendants and the Attorney Generals of the states of Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Michigan, Montana, Nebraska, and Oklahoma (AG Amici) argue that any continuing injunction on the release of the NAF materials should not run to third-party law enforcement entities or government officials because NAF has not shown that disclosure of the NAF materials to law enforcement entities or government officials will result in irreparable harm and the public interest strongly favors governments being free to exercise their investigatory powers. See AG Amici Brief (Dkt. No. 285).


it's unfortunate, that if indeed anything illegal is going on, that cmp didn't first and foremost share the videos with the law enforcement people as opposed to the general public. the injunction mentions they did a little of that, but not nearly enough to satisfy the judge's skepticism in the matter.

quote:

CONCLUSION

Considering the evidence before me, and finding that NAF has made a strong showing on all relevant points, I GRANT the motion for a preliminary injunction. Pending a final judgment, defendants and those individuals who gained access to NAF’s 2014 and 2015 Annual Meetings using aliases and acting with defendant CMP (including but not limited to the following individuals/aliases: Susan Tennenbaum, Brianna Allen, Rebecca Wagner, Adrian Lopez, and Philip Cronin) are restrained and enjoined from:

(1) publishing or otherwise disclosing to any third party any video, audio, photographic, or other recordings taken, or any confidential information learned, at any NAF annual meetings;

(2) publishing or otherwise disclosing to any third party the dates or locations of any future NAF meetings; and

(3) publishing or otherwise disclosing to any third party the names or addresses of any NAF members learned at any NAF annual meetings.


if ive been following the entire scene rightly, not all (if even a majority?) the videos came from the NAF meeting...



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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:19:37 PM   
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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:25:54 PM   
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Interesting thing about the judges injunction - is quite striking

He is saying that the confidentiality agreement trumps first amendment protection - ie., the NAF was entitled to a temporary restraining order because the dependents agreed to a secrecy agreement..

I don't think it works that way. If you break contractual law you are entitled to damages. I don't think it can trump your first amendment rights to free speech.

Following this logic, the government could gag any whistleblower.

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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:31:41 PM   
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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:44:59 PM   
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quote:

In rare circumstances, freedom of speech must be balanced against and give way to the protection of other compelling Constitutional rights, such as the First Amendment’s right to freedom of association, the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments’ protection of liberty interests, and the right to privacy. After fully considering the record before me, I conclude that NAF has made such a showing here.


im somewhat at a loss as to how being videotaped without consent (and having that information shared) is an abrogation of the association part of the 1st amendment, the 5th and 14th amendments.

given how much of the impetus of the injunction rested on that, you would think he would have elaborated.




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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:49:05 PM   
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why dont you read above that and below that part
then maybe you will just simply be completely at a loss.


Edited to add, with only half my tongue in my cheek.

Id love to see all "secrecy" agreements being dissolved from now on.....
if that is the case
Im sure journalists(not CMP) would be over the freakin moon

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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:49:07 PM   
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And who should that be remarkable to, that you are at a loss. I don't guess than anyone here would find it so.



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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 2:50:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Interesting thing about the judges injunction - is quite striking

He is saying that the confidentiality agreement trumps first amendment protection - ie., the NAF was entitled to a temporary restraining order because the dependents agreed to a secrecy agreement..

I don't think it works that way. If you break contractual law you are entitled to damages. I don't think it can trump your first amendment rights to free speech.

Following this logic, the government could gag any whistleblower.


Yeah, we will go with the judge on this one, as he does have some background in the law, and you dont have any background.

Ya feelin it, my bolshevik frieind?

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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 3:05:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

why dont you read above that and below that part
then maybe you will just simply be completely at a loss.


Edited to add, with only half my tongue in my cheek.

Id love to see all "secrecy" agreements being dissolved from now on.....
if that is the case
Im sure journalists(not CMP) would be over the freakin moon


i read the entire injunction.

I might be missing some humor there---are you suggesting you know the answer?


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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 3:12:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

And who should that be remarkable to, that you are at a loss. I don't guess than anyone here would find it so.



why comrade nutsucker, so you claim to have a handle on the question.

looking forward to the full explanation.

or your looking like a fool saying you could explain it, but that you just don't want to...im okay either way.


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RE: CMP Videos "Have Not Been Pieces Of Journalist... - 2/11/2016 3:39:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

why dont you read above that and below that part
then maybe you will just simply be completely at a loss.


Edited to add, with only half my tongue in my cheek.

Id love to see all "secrecy" agreements being dissolved from now on.....
if that is the case
Im sure journalists(not CMP) would be over the freakin moon


i read the entire injunction.

I might be missing some humor there---are you suggesting you know the answer?


what part of
quote:

(paraphrasing) willfully fraudulently criminally setting up a pretend corporation,pretend identities, and then not reading or willfully ignoring a secrecy document (Fraudulently) , covering not only paperwork and pictures, but video and audio(fraudulently),
dont you get?

I neither have the time or the patience to ring up the correct page right now, however it IS explained in the injunction.
It was also explained to the grand jury...remember???
Oh and the time that thing came up about pleading the fifth for Biomax and CMP???
http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2015/09/18/federal-court-rules-center-medical-progress-biomax-cant-plead-fifth/


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