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Lucylastic -> Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 2:46:35 PM)

Justice Antonin Scalia, Who Led a Conservative Renaissance on the Supreme Court, Is Dead at 79

Justice Antonin Scalia, whose transformative legal theories, vivid writing and outsize personality made him a leader of a conservative intellectual renaissance in his three decades on the Supreme Court, was found dead on Saturday at a resort in West Texas, according to a statement from Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr . He was 79.

“He was an extraordinary individual and jurist, admired and treasured by his colleagues,” Justice Roberts said. “His passing is a great loss to the Court and the country he so loyally served.”

The cause of death was not immediately released.

Justice Scalia began his service on the court as an outsider known for caustic dissents that alienated even potential allies. But his theories, initially viewed as idiosyncratic, gradually took hold, and not only on the right and not only in the courts.


He was, Judge Richard A. Posner wrote in The New Republic in 2011, “the most influential justice of the last quarter century.” Justice Scalia was a champion of originalism, the theory of constitutional interpretation that seeks to apply the understanding of those who drafted and ratified the Constitution. In Justice Scalia’s hands, originalism generally led to outcomes that pleased political conservatives, but not always. His approach was helpful to criminal defendants in cases involving sentencing and the cross-examination of witnesses.


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KenDckey -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 3:21:48 PM)

Wonder who Obama will nominate




Lucylastic -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 3:33:50 PM)

Do you think that congress and the senate will let him appoint someone?
They will push it down and away as much as they can, to be after the election, a whole new wrinkle for the coming months.




vincentML -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 3:33:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Wonder who Obama will nominate

Conservative politicians are already speaking out and demanding that Obama should not be allowed to select a replacement in his last year as president. This is going to get ugly.




Lucylastic -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 3:35:31 PM)

This is gonna be a problem for trump.




Aylee -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 3:50:39 PM)

RIP Scalia




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 4:20:52 PM)

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Conservative politicians are already speaking out and demanding that Obama should not be allowed to select a replacement in his last year as president.

I hope he nominates somebody, and then lets the Republicans play political games with it. The Dems should be able to get some serious political mileage out of that.




mousekabob -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 4:56:25 PM)

Get ready for the shitstorm!




Lucylastic -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 6:10:04 PM)

Watching the debate, first questions, should the president nominate someone,
fun watching.




Phydeaux -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 8:39:37 PM)

Huge trump meltdown during debate.
Major unforced errors.




Lucylastic -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/13/2016 8:44:43 PM)

Hysterical, fuckin incredible.
bunch of douches
showing themselves true
LOL




DesideriScuri -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 6:35:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Justice Antonin Scalia, Who Led a Conservative Renaissance on the Supreme Court, Is Dead at 79


RIP, Justice Scalia.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Wonder who Obama will nominate

Conservative politicians are already speaking out and demanding that Obama should not be allowed to select a replacement in his last year as president. This is going to get ugly.


I bet there are politicians that are speaking out and demanding that Obama shouldn't be allowed to write any EO's, or live in the White House, too. They'd be just as wrong.

I just hope he doesn't nominate another ideologue (which is exactly the same sentiment I'd have if there was a conservative in the White House)/




subrob1967 -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 7:50:41 AM)

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Is a recess appointment to the Court an option? (UPDATED)
UPDATED Sunday 8:48 a.m. The Senate is currently in recess until February 22. It began on Friday. Whether or not this opens an opportunity for a recess appointment depends upon how Senate leaders interpret an adjournment resolution approved last Friday. That will determine whether it will meet for brief activity during the recess, which could close that opportunity.

Analysis

The Constitution not only assigns to the president the task of making nominations to the Supreme Court, setting off Senate review that may or may not result in approval, but it also gives the Chief Executive the opportunity to fill a vacancy on the Court temporarily, bypassing the Senate initially, if a nominee languishes in the Senate without final action.

Within a few hours after the death of Justice Antonin Scalia, it became abundantly clear that, first, President Obama will choose a possible successor and try to get the Senate to go along, and, second, the GOP leadership of the Senate say they will try to block any such nominee from final approval.

If that does result in an impasse, President Obama may ponder the possibility of putting on the Court a new Justice of his choosing, to serve temporarily. The problem, though, is that less than two years ago, the Supreme Court severely narrowed the flexibility of such temporary appointment power, and strengthened the Senate’s capacity to frustrate such a presidential maneuver.

It is true that one of the Justices regarded as a giant on the Court’s history, William J. Brennan, Jr., actually began his lengthy career with just such a short-term appointment. The chances of that happening again today seem to have diminished markedly.

The presidential authority at issue in this possible scenario exists, according to Article II, when the Senate has gone into recess and the vacancy a president seeks to fill remains. Such an appointment requires no action at all by the Senate, but the appointee can only serve until the end of the following Senate session. The president (if still in office) can then try again during a new Senate session, by making a new nomination, and that must be reviewed by the Senate.

The Supreme Court had never clarified that power until its decision in June 2014 in National Labor Relations Board v. Noel Canning.

The decision was something of a compromise. The Court expanded the concept of when the Senate would be in recess so that the president could make a temporary appointment, but it also gave the Senate more control over when it does recess and how long the recesses last. The gesture toward the Senate’s choices was probably the more important result.

Here, specifically, is what the Court decided:

First, on the president’s side, the Court ruled that the recess appointment power applies when the Senate leaves town for a break in the middle of an annual sitting, or a break at the end of each annual session.

Second, also on the president’s side, the decision declared that the president during a recess can fill a vacancy even if the opening occurred well before the recess began.

Third, on the Senate’s side, the ruling made clear that it has to last more than three days, without saying how much more time must pass without the Senate out of town and doing nothing.

Fourth, strongly on the Senate’s side, the decision left it largely up to the Senate to decide when it does take a recess, allowing it to avoid the formality of a recess by taking some legislative action, however minor or inconsequential and however few senators actually take part in some action.

Suppose President Obama goes ahead with a nomination to the open seat on the Court, and suppose that the Republican-controlled Senate chooses not to allow that nominee. The GOP has enough seats in the Senate to control that scenario.

Suppose, then, that the Senate goes into recess to allow its members who are running for reelection to spend some more time campaigning back home.

Could President Obama make a nominee during that recess? Only if the Senate is taking a recess lasting longer than three days, and does not come in from time to time during that recess to take some minimal legislative action. Both of those circumstances would be entirely within the Senate’s authority.

In that circumstance, a recess appointment to the Court would not be within the terms of the Constitution, as spelled out in Article II.

The same situation would likely apply when this year’s Senate session comes to an end, and the senators take a recess before the next Congress assembles.

The bottom line is that, if President Obama is to successfully name a new Supreme Court Justice, he will have to run the gauntlet of the Republican-controlled Senate, and prevail there. The only real chance of that: if he picks a nominee so universally admired that it would be too embarrassing for the Senate not to respond.


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Lucylastic -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 8:05:49 AM)

thanks Rob, interesting




joether -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 8:52:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Wonder who Obama will nominate

Conservative politicians are already speaking out and demanding that Obama should not be allowed to select a replacement in his last year as president. This is going to get ugly.


Yeah, I seem to recall another US President in his last year of office whom had a vacancy in the US Supreme Court. That guy was called Ronald Reagan. You know, the guy all the GOP think was right on everything? If its 'OK' for a Republican President to replace a vacancy; its just as 'OK' for a Democratic President to do the same. The GOP really has no excuses here. Its just 'playing politics' as usual.





joether -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 9:06:41 AM)

I see another option:

President Obama steps down while the Senate is in recess. Joe Biden becomes the US President. President Biden nominates former President Obama to become a US Supreme Court Justice. The Republicans, pissed at the flow of actions decide to sue. The five-four decision by the now liberal controlled court says "yes, this is all legit" (playing one straight from the GOP playbook "How to be an Asshole Politician").

President Obama is rather qualified for the position. He was the top of the top in his J.D. from Harvard University. Served as a US Senator and two terms as a US President. Very intelligent, wise, calm, and educated in many areas. Oh, an he's a pretty liberal kind of guy (i.e. has actual critical thinking skills). He'll make sure there is one automatic vote opposing any case to remove or limit the ACA. And before the conservatives speak up, they can recall its the same bullshit former Justice Scalia did with the 2nd amendment (which they had no problem on). If its "OK" for a conservative justice to do; then its equally "OK" for a liberal justice!

I think its about time the high court swing over to the liberal side for a few decades.....




DesideriScuri -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 9:22:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: joether
quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML
quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Wonder who Obama will nominate

Conservative politicians are already speaking out and demanding that Obama should not be allowed to select a replacement in his last year as president. This is going to get ugly.

Yeah, I seem to recall another US President in his last year of office whom had a vacancy in the US Supreme Court. That guy was called Ronald Reagan. You know, the guy all the GOP think was right on everything? If its 'OK' for a Republican President to replace a vacancy; its just as 'OK' for a Democratic President to do the same. The GOP really has no excuses here. Its just 'playing politics' as usual.


You must have missed that the vacancy in Reagan's final year started in Reagan's second-to-last year. Justice Lewis Powell retired over the summer of 1987. Reagan nominated Robert Bork, who was destroyed by the Democrats (who held both chambers of congress, btw). Who did Reagan appoint, and what was the Senate's vote?

Anthony Kennedy, 97-0

Any reasonable expectation that President Obama is going to appoint someone who isn't more partisan than Justice Kennedy?




Lucylastic -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 9:39:42 AM)

none.




LadyPact -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 9:48:48 AM)

RIP. Condolences to family and friends.

It would be a great thing to help this nation interpret law. Very few are actually qualified to do it.




MrRodgers -> RE: Antonin Scalia found dead at his rance...79 (2/14/2016 10:54:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML
quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Wonder who Obama will nominate

Conservative politicians are already speaking out and demanding that Obama should not be allowed to select a replacement in his last year as president. This is going to get ugly.

Yeah, I seem to recall another US President in his last year of office whom had a vacancy in the US Supreme Court. That guy was called Ronald Reagan. You know, the guy all the GOP think was right on everything? If its 'OK' for a Republican President to replace a vacancy; its just as 'OK' for a Democratic President to do the same. The GOP really has no excuses here. Its just 'playing politics' as usual.


You must have missed that the vacancy in Reagan's final year started in Reagan's second-to-last year. Justice Lewis Powell retired over the summer of 1987. Reagan nominated Robert Bork, who was destroyed by the Democrats (who held both chambers of congress, btw). Who did Reagan appoint, and what was the Senate's vote?

Anthony Kennedy, 97-0

Any reasonable expectation that President Obama is going to appoint someone who isn't more partisan than Justice Kennedy?


Bork's track record kept him off the supreme court. Not only this: He opposed the Supreme Court's one man, one vote decision on legislative apportionment. But.....

He wrote an article opposing the 1964 civil rights law that required hotels, restaurants and other businesses to serve people of all races.

He opposed a 1965 Supreme Court decision that struck down a state law banning contraceptives for married couples. There is no right to privacy in the Constitution, Bork said.

And he opposed Supreme Court decisions on gender equality, too.

He also said during his hearing: "The 10th amendment of the constitution is about the most dead-letter amendment of all." My father a diehard repub, told me about Bork in a conversation we had "This man thinks he has a right to know how I make love to my wife."

Oh and Kennedy was repub nominee voted in by a democratic senate too in an election year 2/88.




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