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Hillwilliam -> Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 12:51:47 PM)
http://gothamist.com/2016/02/13/teens_arm_ripped_off_after_allegedl.php A big part of me says the little fuck got what he deserved.

Darkdog -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 12:57:04 PM)
Something tells me the driver will get off on extenuating circumstances. He did not arrive at the meeting with the plan to harm someone. (and in many areas, it is OK for a cop to hit a runner with his car)

Aylee -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 2:04:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://gothamist.com/2016/02/13/teens_arm_ripped_off_after_allegedl.php A big part of me says the little fuck got what he deserved. Yep. I am having a very hard time dredging up sympathy for what I consider a self-inflicted wound.

BamaD -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 5:15:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://gothamist.com/2016/02/13/teens_arm_ripped_off_after_allegedl.php A big part of me says the little fuck got what he deserved. Yep. I am having a very hard time dredging up sympathy for what I consider a self-inflicted wound. Looks like a workplace injury and an occupational hazard of the kids choosen profession.

ifmaz -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 7:13:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darkdog Something tells me the driver will get off on extenuating circumstances. He did not arrive at the meeting with the plan to harm someone. (and in many areas, it is OK for a cop to hit a runner with his car) Once the robber exited the vehicle he was no longer a threat to the driver. The driver purposefully and vindictively drove down the street, turned around, and proceeded back to the robber in order to injure him. Both robber and driver were ready to maim/injure the other over a pair of shoes.

satanscharmer -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 7:27:37 PM)
Why would the transaction take place in his car if he just met him? Maybe I'm just an ultra-paranoid person. I can't see the man getting off and he shouldn't.

BamaD -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 8:51:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: Darkdog Something tells me the driver will get off on extenuating circumstances. He did not arrive at the meeting with the plan to harm someone. (and in many areas, it is OK for a cop to hit a runner with his car) Once the robber exited the vehicle he was no longer a threat to the driver. The driver purposefully and vindictively drove down the street, turned around, and proceeded back to the robber in order to injure him. Both robber and driver were ready to maim/injure the other over a pair of shoes. The driver didn't do it over a pair of shoes. He did it because the kid was willing to harm him over a pair of shoes. The kid set the value of the shoes, not the driver. The kid had a gun, he was still a threat.

BamaD -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 8:55:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: satanscharmer Why would the transaction take place in his car if he just met him? Maybe I'm just an ultra-paranoid person. I can't see the man getting off and he shouldn't. Craigslist? There have been a number of crimes committed recently against people who thought they were meeting someone they had contacted via that route.

ifmaz -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 9:10:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: ifmaz quote: ORIGINAL: Darkdog Something tells me the driver will get off on extenuating circumstances. He did not arrive at the meeting with the plan to harm someone. (and in many areas, it is OK for a cop to hit a runner with his car) Once the robber exited the vehicle he was no longer a threat to the driver. The driver purposefully and vindictively drove down the street, turned around, and proceeded back to the robber in order to injure him. Both robber and driver were ready to maim/injure the other over a pair of shoes. The driver didn't do it over a pair of shoes. He did it because the kid was willing to harm him over a pair of shoes. The kid set the value of the shoes, not the driver. The kid had a gun, he was still a threat. quote: As you can see in the (very ominous) surveillance video below, via ABC, Sam took the shoes and exited the car. Pierre sped down the block, made a U-turn, then slammed into the teen, pinning him against a metal fence. The robber was no longer a threat if he had exited the car, traveling the opposite direction of the driver, and the driver was able to drive "down the block".

Termyn8or -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 9:18:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: satanscharmer Why would the transaction take place in his car if he just met him? Maybe I'm just an ultra-paranoid person. I can't see the man getting off and he shouldn't. The guy had a gun and tried to take the shoes without paying. Since he had a gun (and even if he did not), Castle Law Doctrine cannot be ignored, and applies fully. The seller, and owner of that vehicle had every right under the Constitution and the Law to kill the punk and should not have been charged at all. This is the law of the land, and I believe it is a right and good law, and anything that puts the risk into crime is a good thing. If you don't like it, then let's just get rid of all the cops too, because they are useless in a situation like this, whereas a gun is quite useful, or a car. Since the would be victim would be justified in using deadly force with a firearm under US law, there is no reason to believe he would not be justified in using a different form of deadly force, in this case an automobile. It could have been a flamethrower, baseball bat or whatever, the fact is he was 100 % justified in using it and should not have been charged at all. But this sounds like New York where even blocking a punch from a bully in school can get you a lawsuit. Now where was it a cop charged someone for battery for breaking his (the cop's) fist with his (the suspect's) face ? Was it there ? These fucking criminals are given a place to flourish. By assholes. Fuck rehabilitation, they should have been habilitated in the first place. If not their Mother can cry and I will tell her to her face "Next time you have a litter tell them not to fuck with other people's shit". the animals you shit out will not fuck up the human society we have going here. At least that one won't anymore. One at a time, just make sure they're dead. Actually I was wrong, the seller/driver should be charged with littering because he didn't kill him. T^T

Termyn8or -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 9:25:10 PM)
"The robber was no longer a threat if he had exited the car, traveling the opposite direction of the driver, and the driver was able to drive "down the block". " Yes but he had direct and irrefutable knowledge that a person with a gun and bad intent was in the area so as a good Citizen it is his duty to neutralize that thug. I would have used the power window control to roll down the window and blew the motherfucker's gray matter out into the street, and then dumped the carcass right there and went straight to a car wash. I like the smell of blood, but animal blood. Homosapien blood not so much. Fuck that asshole. We NEED guns because of people like this, and when they use them for shit like this it just makes it harder for good folk. There are people who need to be killed. And anyone who pulls a weapon on you, even if it is superior physical strength, needs to be eliminated from society for the good of all. T^T

BamaD -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 9:26:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: satanscharmer Why would the transaction take place in his car if he just met him? Maybe I'm just an ultra-paranoid person. I can't see the man getting off and he shouldn't. The guy had a gun and tried to take the shoes without paying. Since he had a gun (and even if he did not), Castle Law Doctrine cannot be ignored, and applies fully. The seller, and owner of that vehicle had every right under the Constitution and the Law to kill the punk and should not have been charged at all. This is the law of the land, and I believe it is a right and good law, and anything that puts the risk into crime is a good thing. If you don't like it, then let's just get rid of all the cops too, because they are useless in a situation like this, whereas a gun is quite useful, or a car. Since the would be victim would be justified in using deadly force with a firearm under US law, there is no reason to believe he would not be justified in using a different form of deadly force, in this case an automobile. It could have been a flamethrower, baseball bat or whatever, the fact is he was 100 % justified in using it and should not have been charged at all. But this sounds like New York where even blocking a punch from a bully in school can get you a lawsuit. Now where was it a cop charged someone for battery for breaking his (the cop's) fist with his (the suspect's) face ? Was it there ? These fucking criminals are given a place to flourish. By assholes. Fuck rehabilitation, they should have been habilitated in the first place. If not their Mother can cry and I will tell her to her face "Next time you have a litter tell them not to fuck with other people's shit". the animals you shit out will not fuck up the human society we have going here. At least that one won't anymore. One at a time, just make sure they're dead. Actually I was wrong, the seller/driver should be charged with littering because he didn't kill him. T^T How many times have we been told, both on here and in the press, that a person in a car is unarmed and that all you have to do (if you are a cop) is step out of the way and they can't hurt you. After all he no doubt was just trying to get away and the kid got in the way. That is what we are told when the person on foot is a cop and not a harmless criminal.

ifmaz -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 9:33:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "The robber was no longer a threat if he had exited the car, traveling the opposite direction of the driver, and the driver was able to drive "down the block". " Yes but he had direct and irrefutable knowledge that a person with a gun and bad intent was in the area so as a good Citizen it is his duty to neutralize that thug. Once the driver was no longer in a life-threatening position it was his duty to inform the police, not become a vigilante. quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or I would have used the power window control to roll down the window and blew the motherfucker's gray matter out into the street, and then dumped the carcass right there and went straight to a car wash. ... And you would have been arrested for murder. Please stop saying internet-macho things like this as it makes legitimate CCW people look bad.

satanscharmer -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 9:48:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: satanscharmer Why would the transaction take place in his car if he just met him? Maybe I'm just an ultra-paranoid person. I can't see the man getting off and he shouldn't. Craigslist? There have been a number of crimes committed recently against people who thought they were meeting someone they had contacted via that route. I assume it probably was Craigslist, or an other similar site. If I were going to sell something, I would have met in a busy public place and I definitely wouldn't have let the person in my car.

satanscharmer -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 10:09:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or quote: ORIGINAL: satanscharmer Why would the transaction take place in his car if he just met him? Maybe I'm just an ultra-paranoid person. I can't see the man getting off and he shouldn't. The guy had a gun and tried to take the shoes without paying. Since he had a gun (and even if he did not), Castle Law Doctrine cannot be ignored, and applies fully. The seller, and owner of that vehicle had every right under the Constitution and the Law to kill the punk and should not have been charged at all. This is the law of the land, and I believe it is a right and good law, and anything that puts the risk into crime is a good thing. If you don't like it, then let's just get rid of all the cops too, because they are useless in a situation like this, whereas a gun is quite useful, or a car. Since the would be victim would be justified in using deadly force with a firearm under US law, there is no reason to believe he would not be justified in using a different form of deadly force, in this case an automobile. It could have been a flamethrower, baseball bat or whatever, the fact is he was 100 % justified in using it and should not have been charged at all. But this sounds like New York where even blocking a punch from a bully in school can get you a lawsuit. Now where was it a cop charged someone for battery for breaking his (the cop's) fist with his (the suspect's) face ? Was it there ? These fucking criminals are given a place to flourish. By assholes. Fuck rehabilitation, they should have been habilitated in the first place. If not their Mother can cry and I will tell her to her face "Next time you have a litter tell them not to fuck with other people's shit". the animals you shit out will not fuck up the human society we have going here. At least that one won't anymore. One at a time, just make sure they're dead. Actually I was wrong, the seller/driver should be charged with littering because he didn't kill him. T^T That may have been a decent defense had the retaliation taken place in the vehicle. If someone breaks into my home, I may use deadly force to protect myself. If I scare him away, yet he grabs some valuables on his way out, it is not legal for me to chase him down the street and shoot him down to seek justice.

Termyn8or -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/14/2016 11:55:44 PM)
"Once the driver was no longer in a life-threatening position it was his duty to inform the police, not become a vigilante. " Not under Castle Law Doctrine. If you leave them alive they can come back when you are sleeping. Motherfuckers who think they have the right to take your stuff because they are stronger might always come back, and they might always come back to others, who might not be properly tooled up (armed) to fix the problem (kill the thug). Like your Grampa. Tony, a big Italian buddy of mine, was at the ATM one day. He heard "I'll take that money" and turned around to see a Black guy. Tony asked him "Do you have a gun ?". No. "Well do you have a knife ?". No. Did I mention Tony was big and tough ? Well he just ripped out one into the thug's face and that was about that, and then he cleaned him out, said he only got like five bucks or whatever. Tony would have been 100 % justified in killing the thug and that is that. Bare hands, guns, pots and pans, whatever. I do not want that thug around when my 75 year old Mother is going to the ATM or post office or whatever. I want him off the planet. A guy like Tony could make it happen. Universal "respect" for homosapien life is a dead end, as we are starting to see. T^T

tj444 -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/15/2016 9:00:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://gothamist.com/2016/02/13/teens_arm_ripped_off_after_allegedl.php A big part of me says the little fuck got what he deserved. I dont know if this is true or not but according to some articles/websites, the kid actually pulled the trigger during the robbery but the gun jammed.. if thats true, what the kid did was attempted murder as well.. I think if the kid did pull the trigger (& you came that close to death) then that is why most people would be pissed off enough to run him down.. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/02/brooklyn-teen-tries-to-steal-air-jordans-loses-arm-instead/

kdsub -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/15/2016 9:04:53 AM)
It seems like a reasonable citizens arrest to me.... If i remember correctly a police officer did exactly the same thing with a rifle carrying nutcase a while back. Butch

ifmaz -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/15/2016 10:09:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "Once the driver was no longer in a life-threatening position it was his duty to inform the police, not become a vigilante. " Not under Castle Law Doctrine. If you leave them alive they can come back when you are sleeping. Motherfuckers who think they have the right to take your stuff because they are stronger might always come back, and they might always come back to others, who might not be properly tooled up (armed) to fix the problem (kill the thug). Like your Grampa. ... Yes, even under Castle Law Doctrines: the robber was not attempting to remove the driver from the vehicle, the robber had exited the vehicle and was walking away (ie: driver not in a life/death situation) when the driver went out of his way to turn the vehicle around and run him down. The driver could have easily continued driving down the road and not turned his vehicle around. You are letting the theft and your vigilante desires cloud your judgement.

BamaD -> RE: Crime victim charged with attempted murder (2/15/2016 6:33:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: satanscharmer quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: satanscharmer Why would the transaction take place in his car if he just met him? Maybe I'm just an ultra-paranoid person. I can't see the man getting off and he shouldn't. Craigslist? There have been a number of crimes committed recently against people who thought they were meeting someone they had contacted via that route. I assume it probably was Craigslist, or an other similar site. If I were going to sell something, I would have met in a busy public place and I definitely wouldn't have let the person in my car. I agree, but being overly trusting does not make him a criminal.

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