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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 3:29:36 PM

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I am simply a real man who has been here 12 years who is real and can verify themselves unlike you and the many @SirAndLadyPink

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 3:33:03 PM

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Huh?

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 3:34:43 PM

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us simple men wait on you verifying yourself or her - we firmly believe you cannot do so and you are what you call the ""scene"

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 3:53:25 PM

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to be fair yours numbers border 99% on here and that other site

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 3:58:31 PM

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look at them all
i await one to do so

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 5:10:56 PM

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us simple men wait on you verifying yourself or her - we firmly believe you cannot do so and you are what you call the ""scene"

1. Why the fuck would we want to "verify" anything to a bunch of online randos?
2. Sorry, but I am not in any way the "scene"

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 6:47:51 PM

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It's ok. He just likes to mumble random nonsense.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 7:13:01 PM

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@mousekabob
I agree with that as well.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/20/2016 8:32:30 PM

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I agree with the rest of the crowd. Nothing but goobly gook

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/21/2016 5:58:29 AM

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us simple men wait on you verifying yourself or her - we firmly believe you cannot do so and you are what you call the ""scene"

what the heck is this weird alien talk?

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/22/2016 2:32:12 PM

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Usually it takes a while before someone brings up causing death.

Look op: would you do that to someone you cared about? If you didn't care about her, why did you get into a relationship with her?

What this boils down to, every single time, is that you shouldn't pick an ass for a partner.

I don't have to worry about him killing me because he isn't a sociopath or psychopath. I don't date people like that, and I sure as hell wouldn't commit to one of them. Why should I?

why would he want to be with someone who didn't love and admire him? Why would he pick as a partner someone who didn't care about him, who didn't want to make him happy?

It took us years to find each other, to slowly work on this relationship until it got to the point where I feel totally safe with him, both physically and emotionally.
So why would he want to flush all that down the drain when he's happy?

He wouldn't because he's not a twisted, stupid monster. It's not something we have to worry about. I didn't worry about it when we met 12 years ago and I don't need to worry about it now.

Lady Pact doesn't have to worry about MrP dismembering her for the same reason I don't have to worry about The Man doing it to me. Because we're pick good people as partners. It isn't a d/s thing. It's about whether or not you are a healthy human being who picks healthy partners.

I confess, I first bought into the whole "it's common sense, stupid" mantra that I heard people pushing. Nowadays it just makes me cringe. The reality (in my opinion of course) is that "common sense" has very little to do with the question. People will disagree on what constitutes a healthy versus unhealthy partner, and what kind of behavior would cause someone to walk. That really goes to compatibility not "common sense" (again, in my opinion), and it doesn't necessarily make either party a monster.

It's important remember that people see things from a different points of view, and that no one can really read your mind.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/23/2016 8:21:40 AM

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Here's reality. Power trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law every time.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/23/2016 8:36:17 AM

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No. Here's the reality.

Any person who wants to extort "power" over another without authority, without their consent is criminal.

Unless a criminal conviction is involved, EVERYBODY gets to leave. No one is REQUIRED to stay.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/23/2016 9:07:35 AM

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Your rights are granted by law. They cannot be alienated by entering into a relationship, nor can a relationship extend you more rights than what the law grants you (or at least, you have no way of defending, or seek damages for the violation of, those rights granted to you by the relationship, but not the law).

As such any discussion about what rights a consensual BDSM slave has is meaningless. A consensual BDSM slave has exactly the same rights, no more, no less, as their Owner, or anybody else for that matter.

Pretending otherwise, or agreeing otherwise, or stipulating otherwise, is a fantasy, because when push comes to shove, the only thing the slave has to do to reclaim their rights is involve the law.

Likewise, it's foolish to define agreements of privileges granted within the relationship as 'rights' (such as the 'right' to be loved, or to not be cheated on, or lied to) because when one party decides not to uphold those 'rights' there is no real recourse besides being angry. At the same time, the fact that the wrong party feels entitled to the supposed 'right' (instead of accurately viewing it as a privileged) only makes the pain worse when a violation does happen, because then, not only does the damaged party feel hurt because the privilege they valued is no longer being extended, they feel violated and plundered, because something they viewed as their rightful property was stolen from them.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/23/2016 9:14:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

No. Here's the reality.

Any person who wants to extort "power" over another without authority, without their consent is criminal.

Unless a criminal conviction is involved, EVERYBODY gets to leave. No one is REQUIRED to stay.

True power is not "extorted" even when it trumps the rule of law.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/23/2016 9:19:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: theHouseofAvalon
True power is not "extorted" even when it trumps the rule of law.

If it should ever come to pass that your 'girl' calls the cops because she WANTS to leave, I promise to put on a cheerleader outfit and wave pom poms to support her.

If *anyone* ever wants to get away from ANYONE, and wants to use the law as a vehicle to do that, I'm all for it.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/24/2016 11:33:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: theHouseofAvalon
True power is not "extorted" even when it trumps the rule of law.

If it should ever come to pass that your 'girl' calls the cops because she WANTS to leave, I promise to put on a cheerleader outfit and wave pom poms to support her.

If *anyone* ever wants to get away from ANYONE, and wants to use the law as a vehicle to do that, I'm all for it.

Should she need to get away from me, I myself will open any barrier even if it is only a figurative thicket surrounding my figurative camp. I'm pleased with your choice of outfits.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/24/2016 11:40:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: theHouseofAvalon
Should she need to get away from me, I myself will open any barrier even if it is only a figurative thicket surrounding my figurative camp. I'm pleased with your choice of outfits.

The Master of The House

Cool, 'cause I'd be willing to wear the same thing if it were the D or M who wanted to leave a relationship, too. Just wanted you to know it wasn't meant to come off as a personal slight.

I believe that EVERYBODY has the right to leave a relationship if they want to go. Nobody can make you stay or be with a particular person if you don't want to.

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/24/2016 1:53:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: theHouseofAvalon
True power is not "extorted" even when it trumps the rule of law.

If it should ever come to pass that your 'girl' calls the cops because she WANTS to leave, I promise to put on a cheerleader outfit and wave pom poms to support her.

If *anyone* ever wants to get away from ANYONE, and wants to use the law as a vehicle to do that, I'm all for it.

agreed

And seeing you in a cheerleader outfit with pom poms wouldn't be bad either :)

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RE: Slave rights? - 2/25/2016 1:39:38 PM

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What does the community feel about consensual BDSM slave rights?

Since BDSM is bondage, discipline, Sado-Masochism, it is not about slavery. It's about kinky sex and fetishes.

D/s and M/s are the power dynamics.

Personally, I think consensual slavery is an oxymoron...and I think a lot of people make the power dynamics a lot more complicated than is needed.

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