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HoneyBears -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 9:50:26 AM)
In the immortal words of ThatDizzyChick ... Dafuq? quote: ORIGINAL: mechski Listen Dream..you can think whatever you want. You have obviously done that anyway. Do you know the conversations we had? How many people give up something for someone they love? Maybe, you have never had anyone think enough about you to be willing to sacrifice anything. Not my problem. First off, DreamLady is going to think whatever she wants, as do we, as does everyone else. You seem to be the only one who has a problem with being naïve enough to presume that the rest of us know nothing about making sacrifices. What did you sacrifice of any consequence to be with the one you loved and was it worth it, or are you just a one-way bastard? There are sacrifices borne out of necessity, and that is not the same as making stupid-as-shit sacrifices. Sometimes, only time will tell. But, of course, your lady is still with you and you are both living happily ever after. Not. You and OP would make a great team. He does not consider 200 minutes (20x10) a week to be a sacrifice of time out of his life. You are too busily engrossed in playing the one-upsmanship game where a woman would have to prove herself to you in the sacrifice dept. by competing with the ghosts of your past. You both win the Darwin Award. [:D] -- Lisa & Cub

crumpets -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 10:06:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady Then, it will be on to the next female project, isn't that how your kind of Pygmalion fetish works, n'est-ce pas?[/color] I was tempted to defend you against mechski &/or MuscleBoundDom (who are probably one and the same); but I see you're holding your own just fine without need of assistance from the peanut gallery. While I strive to learn from others smarter than I am, your French doesn't throw me for a loop; but, I do confess I had to look up what you meant by a "Pygmalion fetish", which, erroneously, I would have thought had something to do with "pygmies". Yet again, you're more well read than I, as, apparently... “The Pygmalion Syndrome”, in its broadest definition, means falling in love with your own creation. [image]https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/static.nextnature.net/app/uploads/2013/08/pygmalion-640x499.jpg[/image] The Myth of Pygmalion and Galatea quote: Pygmalion was a talented Greek sculptor from Cyprus. After becoming disgusted by some local prostitutes, he lost all interest in women and avoided their company completely. Pygmalion saw women as flawed creatures and vowed never to waste any moment of his life with them. He dedicated himself to his work and soon created Galatea, a beautiful stature of a woman out of ivory. Pygmalion worked so long and with such inspiration on the statue of Galatea, that it became more beautiful than any woman that had ever lived. What irony that he who had scorned women should fall in love with a woman who could never love him in return! PS: Reading on, I'm still working on erasing the thought of what caused Pygmalion's castration anxiety!

crumpets -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 10:09:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HoneyBears You and OP would make a great team. He does not consider 200 minutes (20x10) a week to be a sacrifice of time out of his life. You are too busily engrossed in playing the one-upsmanship game where a woman would have to prove herself to you in the sacrifice dept. by competing with the ghosts of your past. You both win the Darwin Award. [:D] I think they're one and the same, but, if not, they were meant for each other. [image]http://www.carmaspencewriter.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/pygmalion.jpg[/image]

dreamlady -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 10:22:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crumpets quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady Then, it will be on to the next female project, isn't that how your kind of Pygmalion fetish works, n'est-ce pas? I was tempted to defend you against mechski &/or MuscleBoundDom (who are probably one and the same); but I see you're holding your own just fine without need of assistance from the peanut gallery. While I strive to learn from others smarter than I am, your French doesn't throw me for a loop; but, I do confess I had to look up what you meant by a "Pygmalion fetish", which, erroneously, I would have thought had something to do with "pygmies". Yet again, you're more well read than I, as, apparently... “The Pygmalion Syndrome”, in its broadest definition, means falling in love with your own creation. [image]https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/static.nextnature.net/app/uploads/2013/08/pygmalion-640x499.jpg[/image] The Myth of Pygmalion and Galatea quote: Pygmalion was a talented Greek sculptor from Cyprus. After becoming disgusted by some local prostitutes, he lost all interest in women and avoided their company completely. Pygmalion saw women as flawed creatures and vowed never to waste any moment of his life with them. He dedicated himself to his work and soon created Galatea, a beautiful stature of a woman out of ivory. Pygmalion worked so long and with such inspiration on the statue of Galatea, that it became more beautiful than any woman that had ever lived. What irony that he who had scorned women should fall in love with a woman who could never love him in return! PS: Reading on, I'm still working on erasing the thought of what caused Pygmalion's castration anxiety! How sweet of you. See, even though there wouldn't be any point (distance, etc.), I would agree to meet with you just because I know you would make interesting [nerdy-geeky] company. (Plus, I believe you're basically harmless.) (Also, I could always gag you if you wouldn't shut up. [X(] ) DreamLady

OsideGirl -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 10:57:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady As for your statement that "most women don't meet any men" -- let me rephrase that for you. Most women don't want to meet just any man. Further, on what basis are you alleging that "most women meet ZERO men"? How would you know this? Are you sure you aren't hearing women say that they are meeting NO men they have any interest in? Men who turn out to be ZEROs in terms of what they're looking for, that is. So rather than pointing the finger at "most" women for not accommodating YOUR whims or your ass-backwards way of going about things, you should be asking yourself what it is that YOU are doing wrong in making yourself not meet-worthy? Dreamlady is dead on. I'm from the LA community and have friends there. I KNOW women are meeting men. Here's the other thing... I was very picky about who I met. If he started making demands about what I wore, how I looked, how I addressed him - I wouldn't meet him. I made it clear that there wasn't going to be any sex or play on the first meeting. If he seemed to have an issue with that - I wouldn't meet him. If he wasn't willing to at least meet half way and/or someplace I was comfortable - I wouldn't meet him. So, the reality is that just because they're not willing to meet you, it doesn't mean that they're not willing to meet anyone. quote: Btw, if a lady told me that she met 10 men last week and didn't click with any of them, she would know that she was doing something wrong and spinning her wheels. I do disagree with this. I was picky and particular. I found a lot of guys lied to me about their age, weight, hair line, relationship status, employment and about being Dominant. I didn't tolerate liars.

OsideGirl -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 11:04:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome You don't seem to like women very much. Maybe that comes across in what you say as well as in what you write. That's my opinion and I think it comes across in the threads he starts.

dreamlady -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 11:32:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady Btw, if a lady told me that she met 10 men last week and didn't click with any of them, she would know that she was doing something wrong and spinning her wheels. I do disagree with this. I was picky and particular. I found a lot of guys lied to me about their age, weight, hair line, relationship status, employment and about being Dominant. I didn't tolerate liars. I should have explained myself better. It isn't the not clicking part, it's the fact that she tried to squeeze in 10 dudes in one week, which OP does not regard as an unreasonable endeavor. In other words, she's just wasting her time. Personally, I would see her actions as being reckless, foolish, and quite frankly how a desperate woman would behave in jumping the gun and not taking the time to find out more about each man in advance. At the very least, I would see it as being extremely insecure about yourself. She wouldn't need to go meet that many men to flaunt bragging rights either because it's not how many men you meet that counts in that vain, little universe, but how many men asked you out or how many you turned down! DreamLady

OsideGirl -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 11:50:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady Btw, if a lady told me that she met 10 men last week and didn't click with any of them, she would know that she was doing something wrong and spinning her wheels. I do disagree with this. I was picky and particular. I found a lot of guys lied to me about their age, weight, hair line, relationship status, employment and about being Dominant. I didn't tolerate liars. I should have explained myself better. It isn't the not clicking part, it's the fact that she tried to squeeze in 10 dudes in one week, which OP does not regard as an unreasonable endeavor. In other words, she's just wasting her time. Personally, I would see her actions as being reckless, foolish, and quite frankly how a desperate woman would behave in jumping the gun and not taking the time to find out more about each man in advance. At the very least, I would see it as being extremely insecure about yourself. She wouldn't need to go meet that many men to flaunt bragging rights either because it's not how many men you meet that counts in that vain, little universe, but how many men asked you out or how many you turned down! DreamLady I once placed an ad looking to meet a Dominant man in the LA area. I very quickly had over 200 responses from guys in the LA area. Out of those 200, there were probably 40 that met my criteria and sounded interesting enough to talk to. Out of those 40, there were 17 that I talked to more than once. There were 12 that I actually met. One that I ended up dating for about year and that I'm still friends with to this day. I tend to be a very logical, methodical person with a well developed concept of who I am and what I'm looking for, so the method of doing a "burst session" of meeting people worked for me. I think it's not the meeting 10 people, but whether you're a "serial first dater".

itsSIRtou -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 12:14:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: itsSIRtou quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom This is what I like about forums - there is always something to learn. I had no idea it took women so much time, energy and effort just to meet someone at a coffee shop. I had no idea it took one musclebounddom to ask the same question "why doesn't anyone want to do what I want because I'm such a jerk?" So many different ways? If you actually like learning, why haven't you learned from your past mistakes and attitudes? And then you come back here and ask why isn't this working, when the simple rule of cause-and-effect should have told you something. Or somehow do you think the rule of what constitutes insanity does not apply to you? quote: : ORIGINAL: longwayhome You don't seem to like women very much. Maybe that comes across in what you say as well as in what you write. ORIGINAL: OsideGirl That's my opinion and I think it comes across in the threads he starts. from reading his other posts actually, I think its a case of he wants them to come to the coffee shop to have them look at his body just to feed his ego..... incorrectly thinking if they see him they will fall under some spell and go home with him. but since they don't like him THAT much to meet him, he whines & complains here.....

AtUrCervix -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 8:56:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MuscleBoundDom I don't understand why a woman won't meet a local man, say at a coffee shop, just to see if they "click." It just takes 20 minutes out of her schedule. She could probably meet 10 men in one week. Surely, out of the 10 men, there would be one she would "click" with. Yet, most women don't meet any men and then they complain that they can't find anyone. That's just crazy. Now if a woman said, "I met 10 different men last week at a coffee shop and I didn't "click" with any of them" then that would be a different story. However, most women meet ZERO men and complain that they can't meet anyone. Don't you agree? MBD....chics want a man with a future, a man with a decent rig (say, a 1977 Pinto hatchback if they're looking for a swinging time, or wagon if they envision children some day). Start thinking about the chics needs.....then you'll find chics in abundance.

respectmen -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 11:21:42 PM)
It never ceases to amaze me how no one questions the woman on her worth and what makes her so special when she is rejecting every male on a website. If a male had such a huge sense of entitlement, he would get laughed at. A male is always obligated to prove his worth while a woman can sit here and think every male on this website isn't worthy enough for her while never being questioned on how exactly is she entitled to the top 1 percent of males on this site or males who are better than every male on this website. I can easily go 3 minutes away from my house anywhere and find a woman who is just as worthy or better than the narcissistic twits on this site who sit here and think every male on collarspace isn't worthy enough for them. So the question is, how is the average woman here just as worthy as the top 1 percent of men? The problem here is female sense of entitlement and female chauvinism. Not men apparently being less worthy human beings than women. Too many women these days think their worth as a woman is more than the worth of a man.

respectmen -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 11:26:53 PM)
quote: MBD....chics want a man with a future, a man with a decent rig Yet, women are hardly or not judged at all for having no future. A man is most likely judged to have no job, a woman is likely not. A man is likely judged to not have a car, a woman is likely not. A man is likely judged to not have his own house, a woman is likely not. It's always men expected to be offering more than the average standard while there is no expectation on women at all. Women can be jobless, carless, houseless, and still considered worthy. The dating world these days (in the western world) seems to center around "women's wants" while what men want usually gets laughed at or taken way less seriously.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 11:38:51 PM)
In all fairness to the ladies: It's not just 20 minutes. It's getting ready (although, I don't think we need a ball gown and full warpaint for a coffee, but each to their own). It's getting to the coffee shop (security being very important, it shouldn't be a place too close to where she lives or works). It's getting there, early so that the perspective guy (who *could* be some kind of stalker or axe murderer type) won't see her license plate number on her car (she should also make sure she leaves after he does). In fairness, a "twenty minute coffee" will probably cost her about two hours. That's not a HUGE ask, but it is a sizable chunk of time. All of that said, there is an element of over-cautiousness (I feel) that prevents some wonderful things from happening. You know how to look at it? If you really think you're a great catch (and maybe you are) and she doesn't want to expend the effort it takes to find that out, your time is better spent elsewhere. If you want a nickel's worth of free advice: Spend some time messaging (maybe a week). Offer your phone number and inform her how to block her number from your caller ID (Actually, I prefer Skype since it affords a level of anonymity and the voice quality is terrific). Wait for her to ask to meet you (or, as most ladies will do; HINT at meeting you). If she doesn't want to actually speak, cut your losses. If she doesn't show enough interest in meeting, cut your losses. This is supposed to be about you (from your perspective). if she doesn't value your time as much as she demands you value hers, cut your losses. Good luck, Michael

DaddySatyr -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 11:42:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix MBD....chics want a man with a future, a man with a decent rig (say, a 1977 Pinto hatchback if they're looking for a swinging time, or wagon if they envision children some day). Start thinking about the chics needs.....then you'll find chics in abundance. Damn it! I *just* sold my '63 Volvo! Michael

respectmen -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/22/2016 11:44:12 PM)
If only women weren't priced above men, this discussion wouldn't exist.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/23/2016 12:02:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen If only women weren't priced above men, this discussion wouldn't exist. I think you're right and you're wrong. In our current society (in the US, anyway), there is a general misandry/female superiority that pervades. That doesn't have to be, though. I agree that there's a *huge* chasm that exists as far as your points about a man not having a car or a "good job". Up until the economy hit the shitter, I had those same standards for ladies I was willing to meet. Because of the current situation, I have made some adjustments (I'm willing to listen to an explanation as to why she lives with parents or a friend at 40 years old). However, before the current economic situation, if she didn't have her own place, she was homeless and I was out. If she didn't have a car that was in the shop or had just wrapped one around a tree, I was out. My point is: Each of us values whatever we value as individuals. Yes, there's a bunch of entitled twat waffles out there. So what? There's a few good ladies, too. YOU get to decide what that means to you. If she's a feminazi, move along. Why waste your time? Michael

pleasnpetrichor -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/23/2016 12:48:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: respectmen If only women weren't priced above men, this discussion wouldn't exist. I think you're right and you're wrong. In our current society (in the US, anyway), there is a general misandry/female superiority that pervades... My point is: Each of us values whatever we value as individuals. Yes, there's a bunch of entitled twat waffles out there. So what? There's a few good ladies, too. YOU get to decide what that means to you. If she's a feminazi, move along. Why waste your time? Sorry for snipping that. I do like to cut things down to the chase. In response to both: I think you're right about misandry/gynocentrism. For example, I think there may well have been a very different reaction if the thread had been about men. From memory, that's true. Again from memory, it seems like Hillwilliam once actually demonstrated that forum members respond differently to the idea of a man cheating versus a woman. That reality goes unrecognized all too often, and for that, I'm sorry. On behalf of my sex (and fat thread drama aside): we are also judged and evaluated, just by different criteria. We could debate all night about who gets the shorter end of that stick.

ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/23/2016 1:01:33 AM)
quote: We could debate all night about who gets the shorter end of that stick. Nope. People do

DaddySatyr -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/23/2016 1:06:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pleasnpetrichor Sorry for snipping that. I do like to cut things down to the chase. In response to both: I think you're right about misandry/gynocentrism. For example, I think there may well have been a very different reaction if the thread had been about men. From memory, that's true. Again from memory, it seems like Hillwilliam once actually demonstrated that forum members respond differently to the idea of a man cheating versus a woman. That reality goes unrecognized all too often, and for that, I'm sorry. On behalf of my sex (and fat thread drama aside): we are also judged and evaluated, just by different criteria. We could debate all night about who gets the shorter end of that stick. I promise to reply to this at some point, tomorrow, after I've had a modicum of sleep. You make some points, but I would like to test your memory, a bit further. Michael

DarkSteven -> RE: Women Aren't Trying So They Are Complaining (2/23/2016 1:22:45 AM)
I'm meeting about a woman a month at coffeeshops. It's not my first choice. i'd rather meet at a club or munch. But when they say they're shy and would feel better about attending a function if they knew someone there, I offer to meet them. I meet, we chat, and usually they end up attending events.

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