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RE: Instructions to submissives for better oral stimula... - 3/9/2016 11:53:18 PM   
crumpets


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Sex is a little more complicated than math.


I agree with you that, while most people don't even scratch the surface when it comes to WHY and HOW we perform oral sex (e.g., they erroneously think it's as simple as "pay the fuck attention", as if that's a solution in and of itself), both the REASONS we perform oral sex (hence the expected outcome!) and HOW we perform oral sex (with the goal of the expected outcome) is immensely more complex than what most people can easily comprehend.

To that end of better understanding HOW and WHY, this paper delves deeper into the reasons women pretend orgasm...

  • Do Women Pretend Orgasm to Retain a Mate?, By Farnaz Kaighobadi , Todd K. Shackelford, Viviana A. Weekes-Shackelford

    ABSTRACT
    quote:


  • The study tested the hypothesis that women pretend orgasm as part of a broader strategy of mate retention.


  • They obtained self-report data from 453 heterosexual women (M age, 21.8 years) in a long-term relationship (M length, 32.8 months) drawn from universities and surrounding communities in the southeastern United States.


  • The results indicated that
  • (1) women who perceived higher risk of partner infidelity were more likely to report pretending orgasm,
  • (2) women who reported greater likelihood of pretending orgasm also reported performing more mate retention behaviors, and
  • (3) women’s perceptions of partner infidelity risk mediated the relationship between pretending orgasm and the performance of cost-inflicting mate retention behaviors,


  • such as Intersexual Negative Inducements (“Flirted with someone in front of my partner”)
  • and Intrasexual Negative Inducements (“Yelled at a woman who looked at my partner”).


    Thus, pretending orgasm may be part of a broader strategy of mate retention performed by women who perceive higher risk of partner infidelity.




  • < Message edited by crumpets -- 3/10/2016 12:05:08 AM >

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    RE: Instructions to submissives for better oral stimula... - 3/10/2016 12:24:21 AM   
    crumpets


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    You personally cannot understand how this is possible, that any given man cannot be taught new tricks.

    The more I'm on this forum and therefore away from intelligent people, the more I realize there are some very stupid men (and women) here, whom, I am only belatedly realizing, are so stupid that they can't possibly be taught anything, not even something as simple or complex (depending on how deeply you get into it) as cunnilingus.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    The error in logic here is that you assume that ANY man has a teachable spirit. Some do, some don't.

    Based on the trolls who exist here, I realize that there are men who are so stupid that they can't be taught a single thing.
    Not even how to properly administer to a hatchet wound.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    You are assuming that all men are as pliable, flexible and adaptable as the next man is, which they aren't.
    (Which you should know is false, since you have often made a distinction between "P" types and "J"-type personalities.)

    Indeed.
    The strong "N" coupled with the strong "J" are the most dangerously stupid people on the planet.
    The strong N makes them stupid; and the strong J makes them dangerous.
    I'm sure there is a post or two from the trolls on this very thread which blatantly exemplifies their nature.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    There are men who measure sexual prowess in terms of orgasm count.

    Interestingly, orgasm count may be vastly different depending on the woman's mate-retention strategy (I'll post separately a paper separately which studied this topic).


    However, even men appear to use oral sex as a mate-retention strategy.
    quote:


    The researchers, from Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan, polled 243 adult men in heterosexual relationships to explain why on Earth a male partner may want to orally pleasure the woman he loves — and came to the conclusion that “because they enjoy it” or “because they want to make someone selflessly happydid not rate as potential reasons.


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    Sexual partners as a fit for one another are like well-matched or else mismatched dance partners.


    Just as mate selection is an evolutionarily beneficial strategy, oral sex, itself, which, on the surface, has few directly procreative purposes, must, in the end, serve some evolutionarily advantageous function.

    However, while some studies have previously shown that oral sex serves as a "sperm-retention" vehicle, recent studies have debunked that theory.


    quote:


    The researchers found that the theory that cunnilingus is a sperm-retention tactic was not consistent with the results.

    This was because 'ejaculation usually does not occur in the brief time period during which orgasm might function to retain sperm'.

    This 'brief time period', according to the study, is one minute before and up to 45 minutes after the man ejaculates into his partner's vagina.

    The research was, however, consistent with the theory that cunnilingus is used as a mate-retention strategy.

    'Men at greater recurrent risk of sperm competition are more likely to perform cunnilingus on their partner until she achieves orgasm,' the study states.

    'Cunnilingus and female orgasm may be best explained as a male mate retention strategy'

    They concluded that 'cunnilingus and female orgasm may be best explained as elements of a broader male mate retention strategy, but also that a single hypothesis alone may not provide a complete explanation.'




    < Message edited by crumpets -- 3/10/2016 1:09:07 AM >

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    RE: Instructions to submissives for better oral stimula... - 3/10/2016 12:41:52 AM   
    crumpets


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    This post is somewhat repeated because edits of the previous similar post locked up before the changes were complete...

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: AAkasha
    Men and women have been exploring oral sex since the beginning of time.


    Did you ever wonder why?
    I do.

    And, it's not as simple as "it feels good".
    Never is.

    Nor as obvious as "pay the fuck attention".
    Never was and never will be.

    Anyone can state the simple and the obivous.
    I'm hoping to go deeper into both HOW and WHY.

    For example, as a trained microbiologist, I find the tentative oropharynx-related implications from this one immunological study rather intriguing:
  • Stimulating an immune response? Oral sex is associated with less endometritis, by R Pittrof (et. al.)

    Don't you?

    ABSTRACT:
    quote:


  • Among women presenting with signs and symptoms of pelvic inflammatory disease (PID),
  • those who reported oral sex were less likely to have endometritis (adjusted odds ratio [OR] 0.5 [0.3–0.8]) than those who did not report oral sex.


  • Adaptive immunity requires antigenic priming of the lymphatic system.
  • As lymphatic tissue is abundant in the oropharynx, oral sex could lead to effective immune stimulation and prevent PID.


  • oral sex and endometritis was analysed among 619 women with clinically suspected PID who participated in the PEACH study.
  • Nearly one quarter of participants reported oral sex in the past four weeks.
  • These women also reported a higher number of sexual partners, a new partner within the past four weeks and a higher frequency of sexual intercourse (all P < 0.03).


  • They were more likely to smoke (P < 0.0001),
  • more likely to drink alcohol (P < 0.004)
  • and more likely to use recreational drugs (P < 0.02).


  • Participants reporting oral sex were significantly less likely to be black or to have a positive test for Neisseria gonorrhoeae (7.8% versus 21.6%, P = 0.001).


  • Women who disclosed oral sex were significantly less likely to have endometritis after adjusting for race, number of partners, recent new partner, smoking, alcohol use and drug use (adjusted OR 0.5 [0.3–0.8]).
  • This is the first paper showing a negative association between oral sex and endometritis.

  • This may be mediated by a protective immune response in the genital tract following priming in the oropharynx.
  • This hypothesis needs to be tested in further studies.








  • < Message edited by crumpets -- 3/10/2016 12:48:07 AM >

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    RE: Instructions to submissives for better oral stimula... - 3/10/2016 1:11:42 AM   
    dreamlady


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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets

    The strong "N" coupled with the strong "J" are the most dangerously stupid people on the planet.
    The strong N makes them stupid; and the strong J makes them dangerous.

    No, not exactly. "N"s do not rely solely on their 5 physical senses or what is blatantly observable. It is more difficult for a magician to pull a sleigh-of-hand on them, for example. They can think out of the box. Einstein was an "N" and if he did not trust his intuitive knowledge, then he would have been just another ordinary mathematician or stuck to his career as a patent clerk.

    As for strong "J"s, yes they can be rigid in their thinking, jump to conclusions, be difficult to reason with, and conform to the status quo. On the other hand, iconoclasts are also strong "J" types, and combination "NJ"s are capable of setting up new systems and structures as well as implementing them efficiently. "SJ"s are more the type to tow the line and go by the book.


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    There are men who measure sexual prowess in terms of orgasm count.

    Interestingly, orgasm count may be vastly different depending on the woman's mate-retention strategy (I'll post a paper separately which studied this).

    I think I spotted that on another thread, and "faked" orgasms don't count, amigo.

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: crumpets
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dreamlady
    Sexual partners as a fit for one another are like well-matched or else mismatched dance partners.

    Just as mate selection is an evolutionarily beneficial strategy, oral sex, itself, which, on the surface, has few directly procreative purposes, may indeed serve as a 'sperm retention' vehicle.



    Nope, I don't know where these people got their data, but this is wrong, wrong, wrong.

    While there are some men who do the cream-pie thing (and I have nothing against that, all of my LTR partners have but not as a post-coital act in itself), cunnilingus tends to be a progression in foreplay before copulation.

    Pre-coital orgasm in the female serves to expand her uterus and cause cervical contractions as does peri-coital orgasm during sexual intercourse; post-coital orgasm would simply be an added insurance measure, which does not rely upon cunnilingus whatsoever (unless that's the only sexual act which can get a woman off, in which case pre-coital orgasm would take care of that condition).

    There are two primary logical/pragmatic reasons for performing cunnilingus, for the purpose of
    (1) readying the female for intercourse (as evidenced by the common practice which takes place when a female animal in heat accepts a male animal to mate with), thus ensuring that she is sufficiently lubricated, receptively aroused or readied to mate, and
    (2) to further arouse the female as a sexual stimulant, and/or to prolong the sexual encounter for multiple copulations.
    {Honorary Mention Item No. (3) In both human males and male animals, the olfactory stimulus on their part gets them further aroused and stimulated, thus prolonging their ability to perform sexually. Sperm retention is about the retention of their own sperm not getting displaced by another male's contribution.}


    DreamLady

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    Love is born with the pleasure of looking at each other, it is fed with the necessity of seeing each other, it is concluded with the impossibility of separation. ~José Marti

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